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Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Sickening posted:

Even though I am in Texas, I am seeing tons of stuff that isn't rackspace. Where do you live?

Fargo, North Dakota.

I'd prefer to move to the West Coast. At all costs.

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Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
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Tab8715 posted:

Fargo, North Dakota.

I'd prefer to move to the West Coast. At all costs.

Hahahha, I'm originally from Fargo as well, small world. I'd help you out if I could, but I'm not knowledgeable about your field. However, if you get a chance to leave Fargo, I'd go anywhere. THen try to get where you want to be. If I waited to leave Fargo until I found my dream job I'd still be there

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER
Anyone take the new CCNA:Security exam (640-554)? Plan on taking it in the next two weeks, and am curious if it is as CCP-heavy as the Boson practice exams make it out to be.

stubblyhead
Sep 13, 2007

That is treason, Johnny!

Fun Shoe

Pudgygiant posted:

Look I told you I'm leaving soon, you don't have to rub it in

We are none of us perfect, but at least you've got a sense of humor.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Tab8715 posted:

What kind of job may one get with the Linux+ and RHCSA? It seems like the only thing is a possible job at Rackspace, but really don't want to move to Texas. :smith:

A... Linux admin job? There are lots out there, both in large organizations and flashy web startups. Get RHCSA/RHCE (I don't see a lot of demand for Linux+ personally, YMMV), learn at least one of Ruby or Python and one of Puppet or Chef, make fat stacks. I don't even have Linux certs and I get hit up by recruiters on LinkedIn several times a week for Linux work.

Mugaaz posted:

I understand and accept it, but that doesn't mean I have to pretend it isn't as morally bankrupt as cheating. I've never gotten a single job, ever, through networking. I guarantee you if we had more meritocracy going on and less politicking we would have much better economy going. Every place I've worked has done this poo poo with promotions based on knowing people, or time, or going to the same church as the head manager, its all bullshit. I work there for a year or two, make them a shitload of money, then they act all surprised when I leave. I've adapted to the situation, but I'm not going to resort to this poo poo unless it becomes a matter of life or death survival.

:goonsay:

Just poking fun, but come on. Forming interpersonal relationships is not "morally bankrupt". We do not live in a strict technocracy where the guy with the best CCNA score gets every promotion by default, and thank god, because maybe he's a good guy but maybe he's a raging rear end in a top hat who will drive all of his new underlings to quit and ruin the company. But hey he can subnet like a pro so send him up the ladder! Promoting or hireing your friend who is totally unqualified is an awful thing but that's flat-out nepotism which is very different from networking. Networking is just being a likeable human being who interacts with his peers and isn't a dick.

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 06:30 on May 16, 2013

Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
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Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom. Using social connections is par for the course, I agree. Doesn't mean it's not completely unfair advantage, and not really any different than cheating on certs. Both are unfair advantages compared to the rest of the people on the level playing field. I'm not out to change the world regarding this, but do we have to glorify it? Everyplace I work see people hiring the most attractive girl, or the guy they know from high school, or the director's cousin, etc. It's stupid bullshit. Give me a cutthroat meritocracy any day. There is nothing better than losing because someone else is better, or winning because you're the best.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Mugaaz posted:

Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom. Using social connections is par for the course, I agree. Doesn't mean it's not completely unfair advantage, and not really any different than cheating on certs. Both are unfair advantages compared to the rest of the people on the level playing field. I'm not out to change the world regarding this, but do we have to glorify it? Everyplace I work see people hiring the most attractive girl, or the guy they know from high school, or the director's cousin, etc. It's stupid bullshit. Give me a cutthroat meritocracy any day. There is nothing better than losing because someone else is better, or winning because you're the best.

Because every single one of us knows someone like that? Huge tool, but a god damned wizard at whatever neckbeard specialty he's good at. If you can use him as contract labor and never ever let anyone near him, he's a useful asset. The second he has to interact with people, out come the MLP fanfic anecdotes and that's it.

Best is a multifaceted metric, and at least one of those facets is 'chances this guy will be a fuckwit'. If you know the guy, and can speak from prior experience that he's hardworking and knows his poo poo, you've removed the hardest part of HR hiring. That's why I'll hire someone that has a staff member that can vouch for them instead of some walkin off craigslist. Does it gently caress a perfectly skilled dude that doesn't know someone? Yes, but I can't waste 3 months dealing with a flaky shithead that interviewed well and the subsequent firing.

H.R. Paperstacks
May 1, 2006

This is America
My president is black
and my Lambo is blue
I shouldn't have drank so much last night with a re-cert today at 1330. This is going to be a terrible day.

Jedi425
Dec 6, 2002

THOU ART THEE ART THOU STICK YOUR HAND IN THE TV DO IT DO IT DO IT

Contingency posted:

Anyone take the new CCNA:Security exam (640-554)? Plan on taking it in the next two weeks, and am curious if it is as CCP-heavy as the Boson practice exams make it out to be.

I took it about a month ago, and it was for me. Cisco loving loves that drat GUI. Know your syntax, but be ready to have to deal with a ton of GUI stuff.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.

Mugaaz posted:

Doesn't mean it's not completely unfair advantage, and not really any different than cheating on certs.

Pretty bad comparison. One is a deliberate attempt to misrepresent your knowledge and skills, while the other is leveraging the fact that people already know your skills and personality and believe you to be a good fit. That's not cheating, that's not unfair, that's life. All of your technical skills and expertise are useless if you can't effectively communicate with your coworkers, represent your team in meetings, and develop relationships with vendors and clients. And while being the most qualified person doesn't preclude you from having these skills, any manager is going to be more comfortable hiring someone who they already know and trust because it saves time, effort, and potential future problems.

Eldritch BiLast
Jul 7, 2009

Pummel Sylvanas
Melee Range
Instant
I'm curious as to people's opinions on those week-long boot camp type seminars. One of my classmates paid a nice chunk of change for those once and came out of it with his A+ and Net+, but he still really doesn't know his stuff. Are those seen as more legitimate or just as bad?

H.R. Paperstacks
May 1, 2006

This is America
My president is black
and my Lambo is blue

Xenoletum posted:

I'm curious as to people's opinions on those week-long boot camp type seminars. One of my classmates paid a nice chunk of change for those once and came out of it with his A+ and Net+, but he still really doesn't know his stuff. Are those seen as more legitimate or just as bad?

The majority of boot-camps are centered around just cramming you for the exam(s) you take at the end or during the week.

Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
I'm wondering if anyone can clarify this for me.
I read that the new CCNA v2 exams from Cisco have changed such that you don't have to go CCENT -> CCNA -> CCNA {specialty}
instead, you can go
CCENT -> CCNA {specialty} so you don't have to have CCNA Routing and Switching as a prerequisite for wireless, voice, security, etc.

If this is the case, I'm scheduled to write the current INCD1/CCENT at the end of the month before it's retired. Would that qualify me for going right to, say, CCNA Wireless when the new exams are released? Or am I still expected to finish the ICND2?

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Mugaaz posted:

Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom.

Nice strawman. My point is that generally a promotion equals increased management or leadership responsibilities and there is basically zero correlation between technical ability and management ability. Dealing well with others is a good way for the boss to get a feel for management ability.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Mugaaz posted:

Why do people use such complete bullshit arguments that the most qualified guy is some raging rear end in a top hat who pulls his dick out while working, surfs porn on his computer, then hangs around the woman's bathroom. Using social connections is par for the course, I agree. Doesn't mean it's not completely unfair advantage, and not really any different than cheating on certs. Both are unfair advantages compared to the rest of the people on the level playing field. I'm not out to change the world regarding this, but do we have to glorify it? Everyplace I work see people hiring the most attractive girl, or the guy they know from high school, or the director's cousin, etc. It's stupid bullshit. Give me a cutthroat meritocracy any day. There is nothing better than losing because someone else is better, or winning because you're the best.

I got my YOTJ by donating my free time to my local CC VMware courses, I became friends with the VP of the company by helping out him and other students learn, and one of the teachers who turned out to be the lead Systems Guy at YoTJ. Through my donation of time and resources, I was able to show the people I knew my poo poo and I would be a valuable asset to their company.

I guess I was doing some pretty unfair "bullshit", huh?

Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 16:01 on May 16, 2013

Hawzy
Dec 13, 2002

Corvettefisher posted:

I got my YOTJ by donating my free time to my local CC VMware courses, I became friends with the VP of the company by helping out him and other students learn, and one of the teachers who turned out to be the lead Systems Guy at YoTJ. Through my donation of time and resources, I was able to show the people I knew my poo poo and I would be a valuable asset to their company.

I guess I was doing some pretty unfair "bullshit", huh?

Holy christ you are annoying.

Cenodoxus
Mar 29, 2012

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Good God.

Can we all just agree that good social skills are a plus in the workforce, employers are free to hire whoever they feel is the best fit for their team, and actual nepotism is a lovely thing that needs to go away?

Good, now back to certs.

Would a small lab built for the old ICND1/2 transfer very well to the new ICND1/2? I've got three Cisco 2611XMs with WIC-1Ts to do PPP, and one of them has an NM-4T for FR switching. I've also got two 2950s to dick around with Spanning Tree, VTP, et al. Should this setup cover all my bases for the new CCNA as well?

H.R. Paperstacks
May 1, 2006

This is America
My president is black
and my Lambo is blue

Cenodoxus posted:

Good God.

Can we all just agree that good social skills are a plus in the workforce, employers are free to hire whoever they feel is the best fit for their team, and actual nepotism is a lovely thing that needs to go away?

Good, now back to certs.

Would a small lab built for the old ICND1/2 transfer very well to the new ICND1/2? I've got three Cisco 2611XMs with WIC-1Ts to do PPP, and one of them has an NM-4T for FR switching. I've also got two 2950s to dick around with Spanning Tree, VTP, et al. Should this setup cover all my bases for the new CCNA as well?

Probably so and you could supplement anything else from the router side with GNS3.

Remy Marathe
Mar 15, 2007

_________===D ~ ~ _\____/

A few questions of where to focus my study time. I have about 8 weeks to go back over everything I learned this last year in my community college's CCNA curriculum before I sit the test. I'd like some idea of what to sweat/cram without purchasing practice tests; I figure I already have Cisco's online course books at my disposal (for a few weeks anyway), packet tracer and plenty of labs, and Lammle's book should be showing up soon.

Please let me know if answering these would violate whatever NDA they put people under and I'll retract the question.

-packet & frame formats: is it sufficient for me to have a functional knowledge of these, or do I need to know the bit length and sequence of every field in every encapsulation format that Cisco has spelled out for me? I mean I assume I should know what protocols use what multicast addresses and about the fields specific to the PDU's purpose, but I'm hoping the rest is trivia they don't test.

-Is it important to know IOS commands verbatim? There's nothing in the curriculum I couldn't sit down and do at a router or switch, and could interpret any command written out in front of me, but I've grown pretty used to tab and '?' completion and I've heard it doesn't always function in the simulators.

-Frequently the course text enumerates things, like "There are 4 aspects to network design: w,x,y, and z.". Is it enough that I grasp what's behind these statements, or should I be prepared to regurgitate stuff like that?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.

Remy Marathe posted:

Please let me know if answering these would violate whatever NDA they put people under and I'll retract the question.

-packet & frame formats: is it sufficient for me to have a functional knowledge of these, or do I need to know the bit length and sequence of every field in every encapsulation format that Cisco has spelled out for me? I mean I assume I should know what protocols use what multicast addresses and about the fields specific to the PDU's purpose, but I'm hoping the rest is trivia they don't test.

-Is it important to know IOS commands verbatim? There's nothing in the curriculum I couldn't sit down and do at a router or switch, and could interpret any command written out in front of me, but I've grown pretty used to tab and '?' completion and I've heard it doesn't always function in the simulators.

-Frequently the course text enumerates things, like "There are 4 aspects to network design: w,x,y, and z.". Is it enough that I grasp what's behind these statements, or should I be prepared to regurgitate stuff like that?

I think all of your questions can be answered by looking at the test objectives and syllabus. As to your second one, they may have some syntax related multiple choice questions, but most of it comes down to simulators.

H.R. Paperstacks
May 1, 2006

This is America
My president is black
and my Lambo is blue
Landed the sweet "Provisional Pass" on my Juniper re-cert this afternoon. How long does it usually take to get a real score/pass report?

Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
:qq::qq::qq:

Remy Marathe posted:

A few questions of where to focus my study time. I have about 8 weeks to go back over everything I learned this last year in my community college's CCNA curriculum before I sit the test. I'd like some idea of what to sweat/cram without purchasing practice tests; I figure I already have Cisco's online course books at my disposal (for a few weeks anyway), packet tracer and plenty of labs, and Lammle's book should be showing up soon.

Please let me know if answering these would violate whatever NDA they put people under and I'll retract the question.

-packet & frame formats: is it sufficient for me to have a functional knowledge of these, or do I need to know the bit length and sequence of every field in every encapsulation format that Cisco has spelled out for me? I mean I assume I should know what protocols use what multicast addresses and about the fields specific to the PDU's purpose, but I'm hoping the rest is trivia they don't test.

-Is it important to know IOS commands verbatim? There's nothing in the curriculum I couldn't sit down and do at a router or switch, and could interpret any command written out in front of me, but I've grown pretty used to tab and '?' completion and I've heard it doesn't always function in the simulators.

-Frequently the course text enumerates things, like "There are 4 aspects to network design: w,x,y, and z.". Is it enough that I grasp what's behind these statements, or should I be prepared to regurgitate stuff like that?

1 - You don't need to know every single thing, but you need to understand stuff like 802.1q, IP, MAC, TTL, QoS, etc flags. Stuff that will impact switching and routing decisions.

2- If you don't know the command verbatim, you really don't know what the command does 99% of the time. Knowing the command verbatim is so low on the totem pole of mastery that I would not set it as your "bar". Yes, you can use question marks in most sims, but I can't recall a test where I used a question mark where it wasn't immediately preceded by me going "FCUK!, should of studied this more".

3- No, you need to be able to write it down almost word for word, from memory, cold. If there is some technology with 5 key features, you can expect a question on one of these features, and that question will basically restate the exact same thing in 5 different ways and you will need to be able to pick out not only the correct one, but the MOST correct one.

Ex. "Technology "pooposocking" has features: grinding, neckbearding, hot pockets, furries, and weaboos. A weaboo can name almost any anime, has a pillow he makes love to, own a rice mobile, and is attracted to children."

What is a Weaboo? (Pick 1)

A) Guy who likes DragonBall Z and Microwave dinners
B) Guy who lives in the basement alone, unshaven, unloved, and is able to name any anime series
C) Guy who eat Hot Pockets, has met Cris Hansen, and loves to watch Initial D
D) The predecesoor to the 3750x switch
E) The agreggation model in the Cisco Nexus Line
F) Guy who owns a Honda Civic, enjoys hot pockets, and enjoys dressing as a lion

4 of these answers are strictly wrong, 2 are correct, 1 is most correct. This is almost exactly what hard Cisco questions look like when its testing you on theory/knowledge and not application. I honestly think some of these are just unfair, but thats the way it is. I don't have a problem with the concept of picking an answer from a series written this way, but the question should say "Which is of these is closest to a Weaboo" or something similar. My 2c.

Contingency
Jun 2, 2007

MURDERER

Jedi425 posted:

I took it about a month ago, and it was for me. Cisco loving loves that drat GUI. Know your syntax, but be ready to have to deal with a ton of GUI stuff.

Ugh. Guess I'm running through the Academy lab manual after all. Thanks.


VR Cowboy posted:

I'm wondering if anyone can clarify this for me.
I read that the new CCNA v2 exams from Cisco have changed such that you don't have to go CCENT -> CCNA -> CCNA {specialty}
instead, you can go
CCENT -> CCNA {specialty} so you don't have to have CCNA Routing and Switching as a prerequisite for wireless, voice, security, etc.

If this is the case, I'm scheduled to write the current INCD1/CCENT at the end of the month before it's retired. Would that qualify me for going right to, say, CCNA Wireless when the new exams are released? Or am I still expected to finish the ICND2?

Yep, you can get an associate specialization with the current ICND1. The gotcha is that when you finally get around to taking ICND2, you've only have until September before you have to take the new ICND1 or composite exam to qualify for CCNA:R&S.

hitachi
May 2, 2003

Hail to the King, baby

hitachi posted:

Are there any places to get legitimate practice exams for Visual CertExam? I like the format rather than just questions at the end of chapter. Something that gives additional information about the answers would be cool as well. Specifically for Network+ for now.

Gonna quote myself in case it was missed during the brain dump shitfest. Doesn't even need to be Visual Cert, just something that has a similar format.

I also wanted to ask, if I plan on studying for MCSA Server stuff does it matter if I go for the 2008 or 2012? Is anyone going to care or is there a benefit to doing one over the other?

I am at the point where I am just trying to get a job out of school and figure the knowledge and/or cert might look good for sys admin jobs or something.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

hitachi posted:

Gonna quote myself in case it was missed during the brain dump shitfest. Doesn't even need to be Visual Cert, just something that has a similar format.

I also wanted to ask, if I plan on studying for MCSA Server stuff does it matter if I go for the 2008 or 2012? Is anyone going to care or is there a benefit to doing one over the other?

I am at the point where I am just trying to get a job out of school and figure the knowledge and/or cert might look good for sys admin jobs or something.

The 2012 tests seem easier than the 2008 ones that test on similar content, just because there is less 2003 poo poo on them, so if you're reasonably well versed on 2012, and know your poo poo on 2008, it's helpful. 2012 won't retire soon, and honestly, server 2012 is pretty sweet now that most of the initial teething problems are sorted. You can finally run System Center 2012, SQL server 2012, all on Windows Server 2012, and not have it collapse into a pile of failure.

Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
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Work needs me to get BCNE so they can get a bigger discount on purchases. How much do I need to study for this exam as an NP? I've never taken a Brocade test before.

hitachi
May 2, 2003

Hail to the King, baby
Just passed Network+, wasn't too bad. The simulations messed me up a bit just because I hadn't seen them in any of my study material but they were pretty basic stuff.

Thinking about doing Server 2012 stuff next, in hopes of it helping me get a job faster, then probably moving on to CCENT/CCNA this summer.

Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
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hitachi posted:

Just passed Network+, wasn't too bad. The simulations messed me up a bit just because I hadn't seen them in any of my study material but they were pretty basic stuff.

Thinking about doing Server 2012 stuff next, in hopes of it helping me get a job faster, then probably moving on to CCENT/CCNA this summer.

What kind of job are you trying to get? Not much overlap with Server2012 and Cisco stuff, except in a couple shops.

hitachi
May 2, 2003

Hail to the King, baby

Mugaaz posted:

What kind of job are you trying to get? Not much overlap with Server2012 and Cisco stuff, except in a couple shops.

I want a entry level networking job, but at this point I just need a job. I am seeing a lot more entry level Sys admin jobs than network admin ones, and they list stuff like Net+, Security+, Novell CNA/CNE, Microsoft MSP/MCSE or equivalent. I have Net+ and Security+ as well as a BS in IT security and I figured if I get an interview, Server 2012 stuff might help me out, I don't really know.

Mugaaz
Mar 1, 2008

WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM
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hitachi posted:

I want a entry level networking job, but at this point I just need a job. I am seeing a lot more entry level Sys admin jobs than network admin ones, and they list stuff like Net+, Security+, Novell CNA/CNE, Microsoft MSP/MCSE or equivalent. I have Net+ and Security+ as well as a BS in IT security and I figured if I get an interview, Server 2012 stuff might help me out, I don't really know.

You really need CCNA for entry level if you want a pure networking job. Even with a year experience in help desk, you have enough right now to get some sort of Sys Admin. Its rough as poo poo getting your foot in the door, and I know many people who gave up. You are close don't quit now. I think your plan of Server 2012 into sys admin, then doing CCNA into Networking is good.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
Having some sysadmin experience isn't a bad thing even in a networking position, since you may be in charge of your own monitoring server, setting up VMs for virtual appliances, and working with DNS/DHCP.

ToG
Feb 17, 2007
Rory Gallagher Wannabe
I'm about to finish my CS degree and it seems that (in the UK atleast) all the networking jobs require 2-3 years of relevant experience. I've seen no entry level networking jobs so it seems that sys admin might be the only route to go to get experience.

The Throwback Kid
May 19, 2013
I have my A+ and Network+ certs expiring in the next year should I bother renewing them? The school system I work for has no training budget for me this year so it would come out of pocket but also be tax deductible. Or should I just list them on my resume and the date they were acquired?

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


routenull0 posted:

If you could knock out something like Security+ you could open a few doors with government contracting job....given you can obtain and hold at least a Secret clearance.

Eh, that seems difficult unless I was already in the military.

Docjowles posted:

A... Linux admin job? There are lots out there, both in large organizations and flashy web startups. Get RHCSA/RHCE (I don't see a lot of demand for Linux+ personally, YMMV), learn at least one of Ruby or Python and one of Puppet or Chef, make fat stacks. I don't even have Linux certs and I get hit up by recruiters on LinkedIn several times a week for Linux work.

At my current job I'm essentially a admin for a bunch of Sun Solaris and HP-UX Boxes but more so the T3/T1-Provisioning Applications that run on them. The only thing I wish (probably should) make more money, live somewhere else and be skilled enough where I'd easily pick up another gig. A lot of my day is spent reading through various CRONs - troubleshooting them (bash,AWK,SED), tailing logs, approving change requests for upcoming software releases, going into the Oracle Database and updating tables that the application should have updated or didn't update then going back to development and telling them what works and what doesn't.

I know my job will pay for Linux+ and Oracle Certifications but probably not RHCSA. I'll pick up my Linux+ as soon as I'm able to too but I'm not sure how I should tackle the Oracle ones.

GOOCHY
Sep 17, 2003

In an interstellar burst I'm back to save the universe!

routenull0 posted:

If you could knock out something like Security+ you could open a few doors with government contracting job....given you can obtain and hold at least a Secret clearance.

Tab8715 posted:

Eh, that seems difficult unless I was already in the military.

I made an attempt to go this path without any prior military or security clearance and it's been a tough road. They just aren't interested in you unless you have a pre-existing clearance, in my experience. Granted, the sequester may be throwing things off a bit.

My experience applying for clearance jobs distilled -

1) Apply for job I'm clearly qualified for (requires secret clearance)
2) Have contractor recruiter reply to me asking if I already have a clearance, "I didn't see that listed on your resume."
3) Reply to recruiter saying that I am not currently cleared but could easily be cleared since I have a clean background
4) Never hear from them again
5) Repeat about 100 times

GOOCHY fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 19, 2013

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.
The problem is that it takes months + potentially tens of thousands of dollars to get you cleared. You also aren't able to do much at all while waiting for your investigation to be completed.

I've seen low level clearances to take 2+ years to get approved just because of ???. That's a big risk for a company.

It takes less time and money to train someone with a TS/SCI from scratch to do whatever the job is than it takes someone fully trained to get a TS/SCI.

That's why you never hear back.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
A lot of companies will clear you for a secret and then put you to work on a different project while your TS/SCI is being processed.

AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003

I'm about to start working on the 70-680 book and, uh, the Win7 Enterprise evaluation doesn't exist anymore. Microsoft replaced it with Win8...

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

AlmightyBob posted:

I'm about to start working on the 70-680 book and, uh, the Win7 Enterprise evaluation doesn't exist anymore. Microsoft replaced it with Win8...

http://www.mydigitallife.info/free-windows-server-2008-r2-evaluation-180-days-installation-iso-and-vhd-for-hyper-v-official-download/

Link to some of the official download links

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AlmightyBob
Sep 8, 2003


:/ That's just server. All the links to 7 in the comments are dead. I'll be talking to Microsoft tomorrow. Their general support just said that Win 7 isn't there anymore because it's been replaced by 8 (haha where?) and to talk to technet support, which is only open weekdays.

EDIT: If you check the technet forums the official answer is to buy a technet sub. Yes, $350 to study for a loving entry level test.

AlmightyBob fucked around with this message at 23:16 on May 19, 2013

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