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Every time someone brings up IQ testing and race, they should be forced to stare at that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon for an hour, minimum.
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# ? May 11, 2013 23:14 |
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Ho Chi Mint posted:When did "The Muslims" attack Sweden? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Vilks_Muhammad_drawings_controversy
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# ? May 11, 2013 23:22 |
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quote:There are 60 Muslim enclaves around Paris, where no French man enters.
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# ? May 11, 2013 23:54 |
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TerminalSaint posted:You know, other than all those Muslim Frenchmen. No True Frenchman
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# ? May 12, 2013 01:21 |
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Hahaha they're mad at Pat Buchanan for being too blunt. Like he's not their loving Dad.
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# ? May 12, 2013 03:08 |
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The Warszawa posted:Every time someone brings up IQ testing and race, they should be forced to stare at that Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon for an hour, minimum. Which one?
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# ? May 12, 2013 05:25 |
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Forceholy posted:Which one? This one, I think.
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# ? May 12, 2013 06:09 |
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Van Kraken posted:This one, I think. Just to make people's lives worse, there's some racist parody of that which basically ends with "I guess blacks really are subhuman". Never underestimate hate.
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# ? May 12, 2013 15:08 |
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Van Kraken posted:This one, I think. I love Step 4. The black man with his hand on the white man's shoulder, his kindly smile. He's taken up the Black Man's Burden to educate those "sullen people / Half devil and half child."
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# ? May 12, 2013 15:14 |
Nick_326 posted:This reminded me of some small controversy that went down last year, when some news site published a story that included a photo of a an 8-year-old with an iPad on the steps of his public housing development. I like the point the author made here: This sort of thing makes me wonder just how many sociopaths become prosecuting authorities since it seems we constantly hear these stories where they get people convicted knowing full well or at least have to reasonably suspect that they are getting the wrong person. As in this case then going off to a career of teaching others with no ramifications, legal or otherwise for egregiously unethical behavior.
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# ? May 13, 2013 03:17 |
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Oh, look. National Review is already defending Richwine and calling out Heritage for firing his racist rear end.
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# ? May 13, 2013 18:48 |
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TheGreyGhost posted:Oh, look. National Review is already defending Richwine and calling out Heritage for firing his racist rear end. National Review posted:Conservative think tanks emerged as a parallel institution — they were intended to provide a safe haven for right-leaning academics in light of the fact that academia itself was hostile to politically incorrect thought. In this context Richwine’s dismissal seems like a scene out of Bizarro World: The dissertation earned its author a doctorate, and it bore the signatures of Harvard professors Christopher Jencks, a social-policy researcher who sits on the board of The American Prospect; George Borjas, a labor economist; and Richard J. Zeckhauser, a political economist. And yet years after its publication it caused the resignation of its author from a conservative think tank. It doesn't seem like a scene out of Bizarro world. It seems like a clear illustration of the actual dynamic here; academia is open to considering all viewpoints, even if the consensus strongly rejects them, while conservative think tanks require uniformly correct views. I don't see how you could avoid reaching this conclusion, unless you had some ulterior motive that prevents you from recognizing the obvious. Oh wait
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# ? May 13, 2013 18:53 |
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Amarkov posted:It doesn't seem like a scene out of Bizarro world. It seems like a clear illustration of the actual dynamic here; academia is open to considering all viewpoints, even if the consensus strongly rejects them, while conservative think tanks require uniformly correct views. I don't see how you could avoid reaching this conclusion, unless you had some ulterior motive that prevents you from recognizing the obvious. Here's the thing: you know how conservative Christians think that their way of life is under siege, despite the fact that all challenges to that way of life are trivial? Conservative academics feel the same way. Because so many of their students and colleagues are liberals, they feel they're being repressed by the people around them. There's a lot of ing about "political correctness run amok."
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# ? May 13, 2013 19:29 |
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Pththya-lyi posted:Here's the thing: you know how conservative Christians think that their way of life is under siege, despite the fact that all challenges to that way of life are trivial? Conservative academics feel the same way. Because so many of their students and colleagues are liberals, they feel they're being repressed by the people around them. There's a lot of ing about "political correctness run amok." To be fair, there are a lot of taboo subjects which one could easily see as "political correctness". I won't go into details but try to critique a minority -- racial, religious, etc. -- on any subject and you'll see what I mean. Of course if it's white, Christian, or anything `mainstream` you can say whatever you want. Academia could do with some conservative voices imo.
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# ? May 13, 2013 19:39 |
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Emden posted:To be fair, there are a lot of taboo subjects which one could easily see as "political correctness". I won't go into details but try to critique a minority -- racial, religious, etc. -- on any subject and you'll see what I mean. Of course if it's white, Christian, or anything `mainstream` you can say whatever you want. Academia could do with some conservative voices imo. Which sounds good, except that you are literally responding to evidence against it. A guy got a Ph.D from Harvard with a dissertation about how immigrants are stupid.
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# ? May 13, 2013 19:45 |
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Emden posted:To be fair, there are a lot of taboo subjects which one could easily see as "political correctness". Kugyou no Tenshi fucked around with this message at 19:49 on May 13, 2013 |
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Emden posted:To be fair, there are a lot of taboo subjects which one could easily see as "political correctness". I won't go into details but try to critique a minority -- racial, religious, etc. -- on any subject and you'll see what I mean. Of course if it's white, Christian, or anything `mainstream` you can say whatever you want. Academia could do with some conservative voices imo. What sort of subjects are we talking about here?
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# ? May 13, 2013 19:46 |
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You endorse one genocide and suddenly you're persona non grata.
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# ? May 13, 2013 19:51 |
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Isentropy posted:What sort of subjects are we talking about here? You know, say anything about how maybe Amarkov posted:Which sounds good, except that you are literally responding to evidence against it. A guy got a Ph.D from Harvard with a dissertation about how immigrants are stupid. Exactly. Academic research is not the modern American mainstream media, both sides are not equal nor do they deserve equal airing. Gynocentric Regime fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 13, 2013 |
# ? May 13, 2013 19:53 |
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That's weird because I have criticized individual minorities with no problem. Maybe I should focus more on how they reflect on their subhuman races.
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# ? May 13, 2013 20:16 |
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I love how when talking about real white Americans literally anyone can become a billionaire business owner if they work hard because that's the American dream but when talking about immigrants it's totally fine to categorically write people off for life as failures because of a low IQ .
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# ? May 13, 2013 20:33 |
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MaxxBot posted:I love how when talking about real white Americans literally anyone can become a billionaire business owner if they work hard because that's the American dream but when talking about immigrants it's totally fine to categorically write people off for life as failures because of a low IQ . No one is trying to write off all immigrants as failures. It's just that the hispanic immigrants that want to settle in our country have lower IQs as an entire group. This doesn't mean they are automatically failures, but rather that they will probably not be as successful as other groups. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? May 14, 2013 00:40 |
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Emden posted:No one is trying to write off all immigrants as failures. It's just that the hispanic immigrants that want to settle in our country have lower IQs as an entire group. This doesn't mean they are automatically failures, but rather that they will probably not be as successful as other groups. Oh, oh, OK. *nods* Yeah that sounds valid.
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# ? May 14, 2013 00:56 |
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Emden posted:No one is trying to write off all immigrants as failures. It's just that the hispanic immigrants that want to settle in our country have lower IQs as an entire group. This doesn't mean they are automatically failures, but rather that they will probably not be as successful as other groups. Here's the thing, again: for all the "political correctness gone mad, Stu," poo poo, this is an example of someone literally getting a Harvard PhD for this poo poo, which is the antithesis of political correctness having anything to do with it. Emden posted:To be fair, there are a lot of taboo subjects which one could easily see as "political correctness". I won't go into details but try to critique a minority -- racial, religious, etc. -- on any subject and you'll see what I mean. Of course if it's white, Christian, or anything `mainstream` you can say whatever you want. Academia could do with some conservative voices imo. When white people are systematically oppressed for the color of their skin as opposed to possessing nearly all of the structural power and wealth in the American political correctness, we should probably start worrying about how what we say enforces that oppression. It is funny though, considering how overwhelmingly white, male, and "mainstream" academia is by demographic, that we're so worried about it.
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# ? May 14, 2013 01:04 |
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Ah, "IQ". The universal end-all, be-all resource to decide Intelligence. Yes, I'm intrigued, do go on about those dumb Hispanics. Actually don't.
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# ? May 14, 2013 08:06 |
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The Warszawa posted:Here's the thing, again: for all the "political correctness gone mad, Stu," poo poo, this is an example of someone literally getting a Harvard PhD for this poo poo, which is the antithesis of political correctness having anything to do with it. This whole post x1,000. Nothing is so infuriating in contemporary American political discourse as the invocation of empty phrases like "political correctness," or worse, the "race card." So long as conservatives react to poo poo like this with their wah-wah masturbatory persecution delusions they will learn nothing. This is a bit old but it gets to the heart of what I'm talking about. Kevin Drum linked to this piece a while back but the sheer awfulness of it stuck with me. It's actually bad for two reasons, for the ignorant dipshit the author writes about, and the cluelessness of the author, who thinks she knows better. To recap: the self-described liberal author of this piece gets into a disagreement with her Tea Party neighbor and basically decides "yep, we just see the world differently, we need to separate " Look at how she paints politics as opinion: quote:As the husband sat down in our living room with his drink, he announced, "The tea party is not racist." We just looked at him. "The tea party is not racist," he continued, "because I am a member of the tea party." quote:We argued about healthcare and welfare, President Obama's nationality and religion, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We did not agree on anything. But honestly, the issues were not important. What matters is how personal it quickly became, how vitriolic, how filled with hate. He said I was sucking the country dry with my support of food stamps and public education. He said I needed to get off my butt and take care of myself. I suggested he sign his kids up to die in Iran, the next place he thinks we should attack. He called me a spoiled idiot and worse. I called him selfish, shortsighted and worse. It was awful, and it went on until after 3 a.m. There's also a companion piece written by a conservative on liberals that borders on self-parody.
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# ? May 14, 2013 18:02 |
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Well, leave it to noted "race realist" Andrew Sullivan to defend Jason Richwine.quote:Race And IQ. Again. "What are liberals afraid of?" Uh, I don't know, Sully, drawing specious conclusions to justify racist policy by cloaking them in "Yeah Mr. White, yeah Science!"? See, e.g., the last 200 years or so.
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# ? May 15, 2013 05:49 |
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So what are the odds Mr Richwine even bothered trying to correct his data for poverty, cultural differences, systematic discrimination or any of the other dozens of variables which could effect IQ scores in minority populations before trying to to tie it to racial "differences". I know I wouldn't bet on it.
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# ? May 15, 2013 07:17 |
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Vorpal Cat posted:So what are the odds Mr Richwine even bothered trying to correct his data for poverty, cultural differences, systematic discrimination or any of the other dozens of variables which could effect IQ scores in minority populations before trying to to tie it to racial "differences". I know I wouldn't bet on it. Oh, it gets better: trying to segregate "Hispanic immigrants" as a separate "race" is loving hilarious, considering that the Hispanic "race" dates to around the time white America realized that Mexican light-skinned mestizos, criollos, and peninsulares might attend white schools.
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The Warszawa posted:Oh, it gets better: trying to segregate "Hispanic immigrants" as a separate "race" is loving hilarious, considering that the Hispanic "race" dates to around the time white America realized that Mexican light-skinned mestizos, criollos, and peninsulares might attend white schools. I'll never forget when I took a course on colonial Mexico/South America and our professor gave us a sheet detailing the racial hierarchy in Mexico. It had about 25-30 terms laid out like arithmetic, e.g. criollo + mestizo= ... Most of the terms I had never seen used to describe racial differences (coyote ) not to mention, how the hell do you even keep track of all those terms? Never underestimate humans' desire to feel superior, I guess Acrophyte fucked around with this message at 01:40 on May 16, 2013 |
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Acrophyte posted:I'll never forget when I took a course on colonial Mexico/South America and our professor gave us a sheet detailing the racial hierarchy in Mexico. It had about 25-30 terms laid out like arithmetic, e.g. criollo + mestizo= ... Most of the terms I had never seen used to describe racial differences (coyote ) not to mention, how the hell do you even keep track of all those terms? Welcome to casta. You have to give the Spanish credit, they did what the Anglo tradition never had the balls to do (even if it did it de facto): literally and explicitly turned race into a caste system.
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# ? May 15, 2013 18:00 |
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The Warszawa posted:Welcome to casta. You have to give the Spanish credit, they did what the Anglo tradition never had the balls to do (even if it did it de facto): literally and explicitly turned race into a caste system. The arithmetic aspect got me thinking... Juan's mother is a peninsulare, his father is mestizo. What race will Juan's wife have to be if he expects his offspring to be of equal or greater social rank to him? A.) Criollo B.) Mestizo C.) Peninsulare D.) Not possible, only peasants marry down Spain: Our racism can be expressed by inequalities! Acrophyte fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 16, 2013 |
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Acrophyte posted:The arithmetic aspect got me thinking... Ooh, ooh: Juan is a castizo, and by marrying a peninsular, his child will be considered a criollo.
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# ? May 16, 2013 03:40 |
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Acrophyte posted:There's also a companion piece written by a conservative on liberals that borders on self-parody. My faith in that particular ability has been completely obliterated. How on Earth was that article submitted with a straight face?
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# ? May 16, 2013 04:25 |
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The Warszawa posted:Ooh, ooh: Juan is a castizo, and by marrying a peninsular, his child will be considered a criollo. JohnClark posted:When I first heard of Poe's law I scoffed, confident that surely I could tell real crazy from fake. I've remembered it for a reason... Acrophyte fucked around with this message at 05:11 on May 16, 2013 |
# ? May 16, 2013 05:04 |
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Acrophyte posted:There's also a companion piece written by a conservative on liberals that borders on self-parody. Ah yes, Charlotte Allen, best known for blaming the Newtown shooting on a lack of male teachers and buckets.
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# ? May 16, 2013 05:59 |
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Kid Fenris posted:Ah yes, Charlotte Allen, best known for blaming the Newtown shooting on a lack of male teachers and buckets. The one about the husky twelve-year-olds being too cowardly to rush the shooter?
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# ? May 16, 2013 06:05 |
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Kid Fenris posted:Ah yes, Charlotte Allen, best known for blaming the Newtown shooting on a lack of male teachers and buckets. Oh god, you're right. Why does this woman have access to a national platform, again?
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# ? May 16, 2013 06:22 |
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The Warszawa posted:Ooh, ooh: Juan is a castizo, and by marrying a peninsular, his child will be considered a criollo.
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Kid Fenris posted:Ah yes, Charlotte Allen, best known for blaming the Newtown shooting on a lack of male teachers and buckets. Her articles actually make a lot of sense if you approach it from the perspective of a person who's incredibly myopic and can't comprehend anything that takes place outside of her sheltered world. "Why didn't the kids just charge?" is a question that can only be asked by someone who lacks anything approaching empathy and has never felt the Fight or Flight instinct kick in even once in their lives.
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