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Tuxedo Catfish posted:What's the best way to go about upgrading your gear once you're out of the early game? Gear pacing is very strange in Elona. The short answer is that you don't really ever upgrade your gear extensively, beyond doing certain things to get into new tiers of usefulness. It's very easy to get a set of gear able to take you through the entirety of N.Tyris... but no matter what your gear, you need the skills to back it up. Start of game: start by just filling out your slots with whatever you find. Early game: Escort around and gather together enough money to get an armor merchant to about rank 60. By this point, you'll start seeing the better item types (fairy hats, feathers, breast plate, chainmail) show up in the shop. Buy the cheapest shittiest versions of your preferred armor type you can, and take all the 80-90 or so fixed small medals and turn them into stacks of superior material. Even halfway decent materials will make you much more able to survive. Midgame: Get a magic shop merchant to high ranks, and use them as your source for superior material scrolls to use on particularly interesting Miracle items you find in dungeons. While you're doing this, get a shop and a good shopkeeper together and dump in any equipment you find worth > 100g, and all potions / scrolls / books / wands you can. Get Negotiation and join a guild to cut down on identification costs. Get Sense Motive and don't bother picking up gear unless it's [Great] or better. You'll be doing this part for ages. Lategame: Build up a black market while doing dungeon runs. Level 70 dungeons are giving me approx 100k a run, which is another couple of invests on the black market. Look out for high-rear end stuff and build up another couple of mage stores to rank 120 for good measure. Robotic Accolade posted:On that note what influences gold return on missions? As your fame and level grows, the raw gold reward for quests starts to drop off to try to push you to do harder ones. It'll begin to recover when you get even higher in fame - you'll start seeing very difficult jobs which will be quite lucrative - but in the end the reward ends up more often being about the items and the platinum rather than the gp. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Where do you get that kind of gold? Dungeon running, a shop, and a good shopkeeper. Pick up all magical items and any gear of [Great] or better or of a particularly high-level material. When you get back, ID it and sell anything less than 100gp in value. Dump the rest in the shop. It will take a long time to get going, but in the end it's quite possible to generate 60k+ per game day in the shop, giving a total of 200k+ per dungeon run. Not to mention the skyrocketed salary. Devor posted:Except maybe two-hand or dual wield - but you might change your mind about weapons later!  It's okay, I think I'm good for now. 
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Stelas posted:
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May 19, 2013 08:29
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Octo1 posted:It is made of ether! The disease boost from a single ether weapon isn't too high, and I've got a vindale cloak and a stack of cure corruption potions at this point. In exchange, the raw damage of the drat thing is off the charts and only getting higher each time I go 'more elemental damage please'.
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May 19, 2013 08:32
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Stelas posted:Early game: Escort around and gather together enough money to get an armor merchant to about rank 60. By this point, you'll start seeing the better item types (fairy hats, feathers, breast plate, chainmail) show up in the shop. Buy the cheapest shittiest versions of your preferred armor type you can, and take all the 80-90 or so fixed small medals and turn them into stacks of superior material. Even halfway decent materials will make you much more able to survive. Nooooooooo get scrolls of growth. 7 blessed scrolls of growth, what I could afford, put all of my potentials to well into 300% each
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May 19, 2013 08:50
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Verviticus posted:Nooooooooo get scrolls of growth. 7 blessed scrolls of growth, what I could afford, put all of my potentials to well into 300% each Later on I'd agree, but in my opinion a starting character will get much more use out of 200+ DV/PV than they will 300% potential.
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May 19, 2013 08:58
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Stelas posted:Later on I'd agree, but in my opinion a starting character will get much more use out of 200+ DV/PV than they will 300% potential. Yeah but if you spend all the fixed small medals you won't really have medals to get scrolls. They're more expensive now in exchange for being really good.
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May 19, 2013 08:59
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Verviticus posted:Yeah but if you spend all the fixed small medals you won't really have medals to get scrolls. They're more expensive now in exchange for being really good. By the same token, when you really start to want them late-game, you're busy finding small medals regularly in jeweled chests. Now that trainers always give +20% potential, it's really easy to boost them to ridiculous levels early on, and I don't think it's worth burning growth scrolls while your stuff all costs 2-4pp.
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May 19, 2013 09:08
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Stelas posted:By the same token, when you really start to want them late-game, you're busy finding small medals regularly in jeweled chests. Now that trainers always give +20% potential, it's really easy to boost them to ridiculous levels early on, and I don't think it's worth burning growth scrolls while your stuff all costs 2-4pp. I haven't noticed trainers giving 20% potential. It seems to get lower as the % of the skill gets higher edit: huh, new patch. Well, he could always get the scrolls and hold on or just hold on to the medals gently caress Verviticus fucked around with this message at 09:17 on May 19, 2013 |
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May 19, 2013 09:14
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Absolutely get the new patch if you haven't already, yeah. There's a ton of awesome quality of life stuff in there. You might be right, I'm just going off what worked for me. Probably depends more on how many skills you've bought, and I tend to get as few as possible.
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May 19, 2013 09:25
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I would suggest the Sage's Helm + Diablo in place of the superior scrolls; thry're pretty darn good equipment and scrolls are available in magic shops anyway.
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May 19, 2013 10:03
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shield tonfa is pretty drat awesome, especially on mages since it doesn't cause the shield penalty for them.
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May 19, 2013 10:06
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Yeah, mages are much more interested in the Sage's Helm/Shield Tonfa. I haven't replaced either piece of gear yet and I'm really far into the game. Gear "upgrades" are usually more about the elemental and status resistances than anything else. Just about every status effect in this game is crippling, and you'll want to be immune to most or all of them.
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May 19, 2013 10:26
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Just remember that as of Elona+ 1.19 tonfas no longer benefit from the Shield skill's percentile bonus. You can still bash with them, though.
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May 19, 2013 10:41
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Yeah, but they still have massive physical damage reduction and an extra evasion roll.
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May 19, 2013 10:42
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Blackmarket stops at 4200~ at that point the inventory is 25 pages 400 items total literally maxed out, selling seven league boots aurora rings and other very nice poo poo in various levels of quality.
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May 19, 2013 11:07
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How do i kill my horse shopkeeper, i gave him my gems when i was trying to figure out how to add things to the shop inventory and now he wont give them back.
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May 19, 2013 11:35
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Clever Spambot posted:How do i kill my horse shopkeeper, i gave him my gems when i was trying to figure out how to add things to the shop inventory and now he wont give them back. You can take it off of shopkeeper duty by calling him to you at a bar or with the call familiar action.
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May 19, 2013 12:08
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Heavy neutrino posted:You can take it off of shopkeeper duty by calling him to you at a bar or with the call familiar action. Taking him off shopkeeper duty doesnt help, everytime I try to take my gems back from his inventory he just says "its mine".
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May 19, 2013 12:23
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Oh, you put them in his inventory than on the shop grounds- Yeah, you're not going to get them back. VVV: Can't pickpocket allies. InfinityComplex fucked around with this message at 12:31 on May 19, 2013 |
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May 19, 2013 12:29
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Hmm yeah, seems pets won't give up gems -- they'll sell it next time they're in a town. Maybe you can pickpocket them off of it? I don't have the skill so I can't try it.
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May 19, 2013 12:31
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Heavy neutrino posted:Hmm yeah, seems pets won't give up gems -- they'll sell it next time they're in a town. Maybe you can pickpocket them off of it? I don't have the skill so I can't try it. Nope, can't pickpocket your allies, either.
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I found a panty in a store!  I've never seen one of these in action so I nabbed it and put it on my bell. He's absolutely poo poo at making enemies kill themselves. Is this because he just sucks rear end at throwing, or is it based on level, or resistances?
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May 19, 2013 13:25
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Throwing is based on strength and dex is a general accuracy modifier that seems to matter more on ranged weapons. Guess 2 stats that bells are terrible at.
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May 19, 2013 15:38
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Throwing also needs Tactics, and bells don't have Tactics. Throwing and bows are less than ideal for bells, you really want them to have a gun. I guess they don't have Marksman, either, but you can give that skill to them very easily with Gene Engineering and a Yerles Machine Infantry from Derphy.
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Bleu posted:Throwing also needs Tactics, and bells don't have Tactics. Throwing and bows are less than ideal for bells, you really want them to have a gun. I don't think that tactics affects panties, as they (primarily) damage sanity instead of health
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ducttape posted:I don't think that tactics affects panties, as they (primarily) damage sanity instead of health I think the base damage is still based off tactics. My throwing panty bell certainly trains tactics a lot. The extra nerve damage is probably not affected by any skills though.
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May 19, 2013 17:19
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Elemental damage is, actually. It's a percentage of your total damage dealt.
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Stelas posted:Absolutely get the new patch if you haven't already, yeah. There's a ton of awesome quality of life stuff in there. Which new patch are you talking about? 1.19? Also: Blessed scrolls of inferior material are hilariously easy to get your hands on and can go as high as obsidian. If you're willing to go as high as 40, you get free superior material scrolls forever.
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Yeah, 1.19. Anyone with a decent alchemy score definitely shouldn't spend on superior, sure, I'm just talking about right at the start of the game when you need that push to get going.
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A humble giraffe has wandered onto my farm, how delightful! Let me use one of my many level 50 monster balls to catch- It is level 40, has over 100 strength and 1200 HP and knows martial arts. It has a body, two leg slots, and a shoot and ammo slot. Naturally I gave him a adamantium plate, two adamantium composite boots. (Each with a ## to martial arts!) and a machine gun (## to heavy armor) and he honestly wrecks enemies almost worse than I do.  So uh yeah, I feel dumb for ignoring the pet+pokemon system for 30 levels.
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It doesn't have multiple neck slots?
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Scalding Coffee posted:It doesn't have multiple neck slots? I'm honestly pretty disappointed in the totally missed opportunity for that too.
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Economy Clown Car posted:A humble giraffe has wandered onto my farm, how delightful! Let me use one of my many level 50 monster balls to catch- So are you riding him, or just letting beat the poo poo out of stuff? The animals you ride can still make basic attacks when adjacent to stuff, but at a much lower speed, so he would buff your speed up, but swing less often on his own. Edit: Also, I corrupted my save with a computer crash, so I guess I'm not playing any more for a while. Not sure I can put up with starting from scratch.
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Scalding Coffee posted:It doesn't have multiple neck slots? If I had a giraffe I know I'd try to fit as many amulets as possible around its neck. My immersion...
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Devor posted:Edit: Also, I corrupted my save with a computer crash, so I guess I'm not playing any more for a while. Not sure I can put up with starting from scratch. Oof, sucks. If you ever used Elosnack you might have a couple backups around, though how far back you'd be is a good question. There really is a case for making the game write a separate autosave once in a while.
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Elona is definitely the best roguelike to be a Pokemon master in - you can really do everything to a pet. Give it every skill! Train all its stats to 9999! Give it 4 hands and 4 arms and turn it into a sword blender! Everything is possible, and hilarious. Plus, you can't ever permanently lose a pet unless you want to - they can always be resurrected.
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I thought all stats hit 2000.
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Bleu posted:Elona is definitely the best roguelike to be a Pokemon master in - you can really do everything to a pet. Give it every skill! Train all its stats to 9999! Give it 4 hands and 4 arms and turn it into a sword blender! Everything is possible, and hilarious. Plus, you can't ever permanently lose a pet unless you want to - they can always be resurrected. You forgot: Marry your pet and have babies with it! Even if your pet is a bear. Or a crab. Or a flower. Or a tree. Or a fungus. Or a slimeball. Or a cannon. Or a pile of animated bandages or bones. Or an exploding rock. JosephWongKS fucked around with this message at 10:34 on May 20, 2013 |
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May 20, 2013 08:04
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Don't forget Lovecraftian abominations!
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Is there any benefit to living in a small castle besides bragging rights? According to the wiki, even at maximum rank it makes less money than it costs in taxes.
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