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Longpig Bard
Dec 29, 2004



quote:

typical sync stuff

Passenger side fuse box. Pull third fuse from the bottom on the right most row for 30 seconds. Prepare to do this like every month. I can almost do this without looking now.

My USB stick at home might have the firmware, I'll check in a couple hours. It doesn't really stop sync from loving up every month though. The fuse is the only solution.

Longpig Bard fucked around with this message at 23:21 on May 21, 2013

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Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

Bumming Your Scene posted:

Passenger side fuse box. Pull third fuse from the bottom on the right most row for 30 seconds. Prepare to do this like every month. I can almost do this without looking now.

My USB stick at home might have the firmware, I'll check in a couple hours. It doesn't really stop sync from loving up every month though. The fuse is the only solution.

It's insane that this was and is considered acceptable by microsoft/ford. Heads should be rolling for putting out such a garbage system.

AWWNAW
Dec 30, 2008

I haven't ever had any problems with my sync but I only use it for iPhone Bluetooth audio. I tried to do the Spotify app link thing once but I couldn't figure out how to enable it in 60 seconds so I said gently caress it.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

kalvick posted:

Awesome deal dude! I always cringe when I hear generic terms for lowering it and cai. I am pretty much becoming a suspension snob. when you say lowered, do you know if the springs where cut? or where they replaced with aftermarket? if they are cut, your car is gonna be bouncing all over the place. a good set of H&R springs will be awesome. As for replacing the lights, they are really cheap, about 135 bucks per set.

in the picture the exhaust tips do not look like they are stock, do you know what exhaust is on your car?

If you are planning any mods, invest in full length subframe connectors and a different set of rear end gears for you car like a 3.73 gear ratio. your car will be nice and stiff and be able to launch a lot quicker.
Thanks, I did ask the seller about stuff like that but he said the PO installed it all and didnt have specific details. I didnt take a closer look yet at the filter but I just noticed it was a K&N, and that it looked dirty. Could be this? As for the springs Im not sure, but the car didnt bounce at all, it felt rather planted. Ill jack up the car tomorrow if it doesnt rain to see any identifying marks on the exhaust.

I still havent driven it yet, but its sitting in my driveway. I cant help but smiling just starting the car up, it sounds so amazing coming from an 96 oldsmobile with a few holes in the mufflers.

edit: So far the only "mod" I want to buy is rear window louvers. Its silly but ever since I was a kid Ive had a weird obsession with them.

Cage fucked around with this message at 01:20 on May 22, 2013

Longpig Bard
Dec 29, 2004



Phanatic posted:

What the loving gently caress? Anyone have a direct link to download whatever the gently caress the most recent firmware update is for a 2013 GT *without* satnav or touch screen?

Here is the file. It is in a folder in the root of the USB drive called SyncMyRide.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/104093180/SyncMyRide/8L2T-14D546-AD.CAB

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

:laffo: God drat that is awful.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Bumming Your Scene posted:

Here is the file. It is in a folder in the root of the USB drive called SyncMyRide.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/104093180/SyncMyRide/8L2T-14D546-AD.CAB

Thanks, I'll see how this works.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Cocoa Crispies posted:

Whoa which mustang has four seats for grown-ups? My 2012 sure doesn't.

I, a 6'5" 280-pound manbeastbabby, had to ride in the back seat of my buddy's New Edge once.

Once.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org
Just got back from driving my 04 GT for the first time. I didnt do too bad, but it took me about 5 minutes to go further than 5 feet. Kept letting go of the clutch too fast and not giving it enough gas and it would either lurch or stall. I can start up smoothly now, I just have to go really slow.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Best way to learn a clutch is go on an empty side street in your neighborhood or something, and practice taking off without touching the gas. After that, learning how to feed in throttle is a cakewalk.

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

Fucknag posted:

Best way to learn a clutch is go on an empty side street in your neighborhood or something, and practice taking off without touching the gas. After that, learning how to feed in throttle is a cakewalk.
Ill try that out on my lesson tomorrow. My feet are kind of sore today, my left foot isnt used to doing anything.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
I am tired of talking about my depressing transmission saga, and I really do apologize to those of you who are just as sick of hearing about it. Unfortunately someone asked me to keep the thread updated with the latest so here's a depressing update:

Today is day 9 they have had the car. I decided that I was just going to get a short throw shifter (I already had the bracket I think I've mentioned this, it's a V1 Barton but whatever.) AM is doing a special on the Barton so I bought one, and while I'm more than capable of doing the job on a Saturday afternoon I figured it'd be an hour labor at the most and they'd just do it and save me the trouble. My weekend time is worth more than $70 I guess.

I've been looking at doing the shifter upgrade even before the synchro problem. I already did the shift ball. I asked the man on the phone if they'd do it and he told me that it would void my PT warranty. I know for a fact shifter upgrades do NOT void PT warranties. So either this person was 1) incompetent or 2) blatantly lying to me. I became irritated and said something like "well you would have to prove that in court." I hate being snarky to someone who works a customer service job because I know how that feels on the other end. On the other hand I was starting to honestly get a little upset over being falsely told my Barton shifter would void my warranty. I felt like Ford was trying to give me the business. "I guess I have my answer. Let's move on -- tell me about my car."

Unfortunately, the story only gets worse from there. Clem (I am horrible with names and don't remember what his name actually was because he said it too fast anyway when he answered the phone, and in retrospect I sort of hate him, so he gets to be Clem) then proceeds to tell a sad story about how the car's repair has been delayed further because the "tool required per the service manual to remove a titanium pin from the transmission doesn't seem to exist." I wish I were making that up, but sadly Clem did speak those very words.

At this point, I'm dumbfounded and quiet. Clem, however, is just getting warmed up. He continues to tell me with poorly-veiled glee that since they have not been able to locate the tool by today, it is highly unlikely that they will be able to get to it at all this week. Even if they did get the tool they needed, unfortunately "their transmission guy" is going to be attending a mandated training all next week, so Clem says the car won't even be touched again until "at the earliest" the following Monday, which by my count is day 22. Then it's no telling how long the repair will take, or whether they even have the magical tool, or whatever other BS reason they can think up.

I was (hopefully) understandably a little angry at this point in the conversation. I tell Clem his timetable is getting really close to the limit for days in the shop, and that MI law is 30 days. I told him that if it went over thirty days, I was going to make a claim under the lemon law. "What?" Said Clem, confused. "I'll sue you!" I said back. This is the first time I've ever said that to anyone and must say I did not like it one bit. I'm just not that type of person, but I was very angry. Clem just goes "Wow." and I hang up on him. I felt horrible for that too, but at that point I was starting to get a little more worried about what I would have said to poor Clem had our phone conversation continued.

I took a moment. I needed one. I went back to work. About a half hour later I was free for a second so I called the guy who sold me the car. I got his voicemail, so I told him a brief synopsis of what was going on and that the dealership has lost my business and the business of anyone who hears my rime. He did call me back but when he did he got my voicemail since I was also working.

I'm at a loss at this point and feel like I just have to wait it out. When the car is done, I'm going to see what I can get for it in trade from another dealership. I just won't trust the car after these clowns get done "fixing" my transmission. I'll never buy another car with an MT82 again -- I've learned my lesson.

Edited to add: no loaner car either.

roger wilco fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 23, 2013

Tide
Mar 27, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
I would contact Ford directly. They will put you in touch with the regional/district Ford manager. Document everything.

coolskillrex remix
Jan 1, 2007

gorsh

Cage posted:

Just got back from driving my 04 GT for the first time. I didnt do too bad, but it took me about 5 minutes to go further than 5 feet. Kept letting go of the clutch too fast and not giving it enough gas and it would either lurch or stall. I can start up smoothly now, I just have to go really slow.

I sound like a broken record but the secret is to know the clutch pedal is your friend. People who dont drive manuals do not understand that what people do with clutches is hold them halfway for a long time. By a long time i mean more than "one one thousand two one thousand". Everyone thinks the clutch pedal is a land mine when theyre first learning. Its your friend. Dont be afraid to to keep the clutch 50% while giving the car gas UNTIL youre moving at a 3-5 mph. In stop and go traffic on the highway when youre lurching behind another car you can have the clutch pedal at 50% most of the time youre on the highway.

SanitysEdge
Jul 28, 2005
For more beginners tips on stick shifts:

1. If you need to make a left turn its a bad idea to creep way up into the middle of an intersection. If you sit farther back you can get the car rolling straight and the clutch fully engaged before you initiate the turn. This will prevent you stalling in oncoming traffic. This can be a big problem for newbies because if you have the wheel cocked over then you need to slip the clutch longer and use more throttle to keep the car from stalling.

2. Dont panic. You will stall in traffic as a beginner. I remember when I was first starting out I there was a situation where I stalled 5 times in a row trying to get my car rolling at a light with a huge line of cars behind me. Each time with increasing levels of panic which made each subsequent attempt even worse.

3. Your first priority should be to keep the engine alive. If you are trying to roll away from a stop and you get the feeling that you are braking or slowing down then slam the clutch down and spool the engine back up and try again.

4. The clutch is pretty much a brake pad that connects the engine to the wheels. How hard you push that pad into the engine is proportional to how far you roll out of the clutch: roll out farther = push pad harder. The harder you push that pad into the engine then the quicker it tries to equalize the rotation between the engine and the wheels.

5.If you want to start getting really technical then consider that the engine has its inertia and engine deceleration is proportional to some exponential function of engine RPM. Gear ratios adjust how quickly the engine and wheels equalize: a 1-2 shift can give you a bit of a kick in the pants from a 500 rpm difference while 4-5 with a 500 rpm difference gives you a barely noticeable rock. Don't forget that rotational energy is 1/2I*w^2 (exactly like kinetic energy=1/2mv^2) where I is the inertia and w is the rotational speed. That shift kick is proportional to energy multiplied by gear ratio (at least in my experience).

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Fucknag posted:

Best way to learn a clutch is go on an empty side street in your neighborhood or something, and practice taking off without touching the gas.

Bullshit, the best way is the way my dad taught me. Basically it was a 15min theory/practice session and a promise I could use the car on a date if I could do an uphill start without trouble.

Longpig Bard
Dec 29, 2004



I learned stick from some arcade game that actually had a clutch pedal. Then one day I stole my sister's VW Cabrio to see how a clutch really works. I did pretty well, she didn't have a 3rd gear after that but whatevs. DIY.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
I learned stick on my mom's 84 escort diesel. I took my driving test with a manual. All my driving life I've tried to own a manual whenever possible. Maybe it's my fault that the car is roached. I did drive it like i meant it, and others have too and haven't had the problem. You start to doubt yourself when you go through something like this. I honestly believe it's the remote shifter design -- lots of people have had issues with it, so I can't really kick myself too much. Anyway I'm done because this is starting to sound like a post in E/I. :negative:

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

I learned how to drive on a stick. In traffic. Soooo many stalls at red lights; it was rough on a brand new driver!

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
My Mustang was the first stick-shift I'd ever driven, apart from the odd test drive, and one lesson during driver's ed. What people are saying is completely accurate, and as best as I can tell, everyone makes the same mistakes when learning to drive stick: the clutch is your friend. We hear so much about wearing out clutches that we think you mustn't ever use the clutch for a single second more than necessary! This is not the case. Early wear on clutches is caused by people who do stupid things like forgetting to take their foot off the clutch pedal when in the course of normal driving, or use the clutch to hold the car on a hill instead of using the brake.

Another thing: manuals (at least mine) idle way lower than automatics. If you watch an automatic at idle, it will often idle around 1000rpm or 1200rpm. My 'stang idles at around 500 rpm when the engine's warm. Don't be afraid to give a little gas when starting out. You'll start moving faster, which will make it easier to realize exactly where the friction point on the clutch is, if nothing else.

And you will stall. Don't worry about it. I still stall perhaps once every two months through being clumsy, and I'm pretty sure everyone does (I've seen plenty of people do it in traffic), just restart the engine and try again.

mattwhoo
Aug 26, 2009

Tide posted:

I would contact Ford directly. They will put you in touch with the regional/district Ford manager. Document everything.

I would defiantly contact ford. I did in my case as well they did offer me the extended warranty for all my issues. I told them no I wanted the car replaced they said no. So that is when I contacted an attorney. I would be careful about saying your going to sue. Some companies take that very seriously and will no longer deal with and you will be forced to hire an attorney. I had to bring my car in the other day for ford to attempt the final repair. They barely said hi to me and that they would relay there findings to ford and they would in turn contact my attorney. Its a huge pain in the rear end. Keep every scrap of paperwork and log your phone calls and who you spoke to and when. Sounds like you may need it.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
Oh I agree I probably goofed up. Point of fact too is that I don't really want to sue anyone but I will if I absolutely have to. I am going to end up buying a used GT-500 and trading in my GT for something else -- a replacement for my wife's minivan probably. My payment will be a little higher, but the car is a LOT better. Seems like a good solution to this problem that will make everyone happy. Never using the dealer that I got the car from again though.

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

1-800-392-FORD should be your next call. Yell at them (not really), and they'll yell even louder at the dealership.

There are actually some customer service people with accounts on the Focus Fanatics forum (that actually seem to be useful) since the new car has had so many problems.

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard

Cage posted:

edit: So far the only "mod" I want to buy is rear window louvers. Its silly but ever since I was a kid Ive had a weird obsession with them.

Excellent. My wife has all but demanded I get louvers for my '00 GT. Used to have a set on my RX-7 and it was :krad:

Tide
Mar 27, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Don't immediately go on the offensive with the regional Ford guy or Ford customer care. Be reasonable, calm, cool, collect. Stick to the facts, detail everything. The more detail you have, the better. The more professional you act, the better. Protip: If you're a one party state, consider recording your phone calls with the local dealership but don't tell them you're recording (this is NOT illegal in a one party state).

Reasonable expectations from the dealer and Ford at this point are a loaner vehicle even if it's a fraking Fiesta and transferable extended warranty across the entire car. I believe if the vehicle is in the shop for 30 days it qualifies under the lemon law, right? If it goes into 30 days, I'd start bringing up either they replace it or buy it from you at full purchase price plus interest you've paid on the loan (assuming you financed it). Alternatively, instead of them buying back, have them fix it AND install a Ford Racing supercharger at no cost :getin: Snowball chance in hell, but hey, worth a shot

I've gone over the dealers head three times with three different cars/manufacturers: '99 SVT Contour (paint issue), wife's '03 Maxima (hood flex and transmission), and '04 GTO (bushings). Worked out well all three times in my favor.

Tide fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 24, 2013

Cage
Jul 17, 2003
www.revivethedrive.org

coolskillrex remix posted:

I sound like a broken record but the secret is to know the clutch pedal is your friend. People who dont drive manuals do not understand that what people do with clutches is hold them halfway for a long time. By a long time i mean more than "one one thousand two one thousand". Everyone thinks the clutch pedal is a land mine when theyre first learning. Its your friend. Dont be afraid to to keep the clutch 50% while giving the car gas UNTIL youre moving at a 3-5 mph. In stop and go traffic on the highway when youre lurching behind another car you can have the clutch pedal at 50% most of the time youre on the highway.
Thanks for this, my starts were much better today because I was kept the clutch in a little more for the first 2 gears. I did kind of have a "any clutch movement between 0 and 100% is ruining the clutch :supaburn:" attitude when I first started, but after reading up its just normal to keep it in a little bit. Thanks everyone else too for all the tips!

clutchpuck posted:

Excellent. My wife has all but demanded I get louvers for my '00 GT. Used to have a set on my RX-7 and it was :krad:
:whatup: If anyone has any favorite brands Id love to hear some recommendations. Wheres a reasonable place to buy aftermarket mustang parts, anyway?

Dakotaboy88
Apr 28, 2007

I learned stick on my Mom's 82' Volvo. On the first try she didn't want me out on the roads, so she had me move it from the driveway the the garage, with no prior explanation at all as to how anything worked. Thankfully it stalled and died the instant I let off the clutch. The next attempt was safely out on a farm road with a lot of open space, and much more success. Had to relearn again a few years later when I bought my first sports car. I couldn't just drop the clutch, mash the gas, and casually lumber along. Good times...

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012

Tide posted:

really great stuff

This is awesome. I'm going to do this stuff but I'm so embittered with the dealer and process at this moment that I haven't really thought much about calling Ford to complain since yesterday's debacle. I just didn't see what good it would do, but a transferable extended warranty really appeals to me because it will be worth more in resale. As for a loaner, yeah it grinds my gears that I didn't get one, but at the same time I have no desire to work with the dealer at all right now. I'm getting by with the wife's minivan, other than I hate driving it. She doesn't mind thankfully.

Meanwhile, I was bumping around today on autotrader and I found this absolutely beautiful 2012 Shelby. It's black and has the stripe delete (I personally dislike the way stripes on cars look.) The car is almost brand new with 3000 miles on the clock. Guy had bought it new from the same dealer 8 months ago but didn't want the payment anymore (he was really upside down on it because he rolled a bunch of negative equity into the car.) They are asking 47 for it because they are a dealer trying to get top dollar of course. Car is worth 45 I think, and should be able to be sold for less than that because it's a 2012 and everyone wants the big 5.8. Me? I'll take the 351 and smile. More power than my 13 but not too much more. Rock solid platform. Tremec 6 speed with reverse in the correct place and not made in China. SVT perf pkg.

I called my CU and they gave me the green light on the loan (used car interest rates suck.) Still would need to get the dealer who has the car to give me a fair price on the car, and they're having a hard time doing it. Plus if I do this I'd have to get rid of the GT somehow -- I'd sell it obviously. At any rate, I'm still going to do all the Ford Customer Service stuff, but the fact of the matter is that I will not trust the trans when I get the car back anyway, and if I can't trust it, I'm not going to get on it. If I'm not going to get on it... what the hell am I doing driving a mustang? Heh.

Check the Shelby out - it's pretty nice. Very tempting -- even with the increased car payment. I'll make my mind up tomorrow.

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The Midniter
Jul 9, 2001

drat. I think the stripe delete works perfectly - that's the best-looking Shelby I've seen. Definitely jump on that if you can talk them down a couple grand.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
I called the customer service line today and spoke to a very nice lady for about a half hour and told her the story. About twenty minutes after that my service rep called me from the dealership and said "hey man you need a car?" So they'll provide a loaner at this point. If I don't go buy the shelby today, I'll probably take them up on it.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
Also - I was working with the salesman with the shelby today and talking price and someone came in to another salesperson and they sold it out from under me. I thought that was a crap move, but hey business is business, and they won't get mine. I probably should have put a deposit down yesterday, but oh well. I guess the guy who wants to buy the car is willing to dump a whole bunch of negative equity into it and get financed through the dealer which makes me laugh my rear end off, but whatever. They're making more money from that guy, selling it at sticker with their in-house ripoff financing. They'll never see my face again, but something tells me they don't care that much.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

roger wilco posted:

Also - I was working with the salesman with the shelby today and talking price and someone came in to another salesperson and they sold it out from under me. I thought that was a crap move, but hey business is business, and they won't get mine. I probably should have put a deposit down yesterday, but oh well. I guess the guy who wants to buy the car is willing to dump a whole bunch of negative equity into it and get financed through the dealer which makes me laugh my rear end off, but whatever. They're making more money from that guy, selling it at sticker with their in-house ripoff financing. They'll never see my face again, but something tells me they don't care that much.
He was willing to pay their price, you weren't ... how exactly do you think commerce works?

coolskillrex remix
Jan 1, 2007

gorsh
$42,000 gets you a lot of different cars. The shelby is awesome but really i would test drive M3s, c63s, porsche 911s/caymans (poo poo maybe even try the jaguar xkr supercharged out). MORE POWAAA is great and all but going around the twisties with a 4000lb car that has a live rear axle is not exactly the most ideal setup. I would consider it a sign that if you want to drop that kind of cash on a used car to properly test drive every single possible option.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
Nope I totally understand and don't begrudge the dealership in making the sale out from under me. It would have been easily solved with a deposit on my end. They are well within their rights to get the most they can for the car. I am also well within my rights to not do business with them on any level after pulling that. I was actively negotiating a price in good faith. However yes, I get how things work and I don't feel slighted, just sort of feel like the dealership didn't earn my business. No harm, no foul.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012

coolskillrex remix posted:

$42,000 gets you a lot of different cars. The shelby is awesome but really i would test drive M3s, c63s, porsche 911s/caymans (poo poo maybe even try the jaguar xkr supercharged out). MORE POWAAA is great and all but going around the twisties with a 4000lb car that has a live rear axle is not exactly the most ideal setup. I would consider it a sign that if you want to drop that kind of cash on a used car to properly test drive every single possible option.

Thanks for the advice. I only buy Ford.

coolskillrex remix
Jan 1, 2007

gorsh
Technically jag has a ton of ford parts

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
Sure, but Ford doesn't own Jaguar any more and they don't produce a vehicle which has a VIN that starts with 1.

Octopus Magic
Dec 19, 2003

I HATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU LIKE* AND I NEED TO BE SURE YOU ALL KNOW THAT EVERY TIME I POST

*unless it's a DSM in which case we cool ^_^
Ahh brand induced cognitive dissonance.

I'm surprised no one's made a Psy PhD project out of it yet.

roger wilco
Jun 22, 2012
I am fully willing to admit that it is a bit silly but I can't shake it. I've tried believe me.

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Tide
Mar 27, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

roger wilco posted:

I called the customer service line today and spoke to a very nice lady for about a half hour and told her the story. About twenty minutes after that my service rep called me from the dealership and said "hey man you need a car?" So they'll provide a loaner at this point. If I don't go buy the shelby today, I'll probably take them up on it.

Nice.

You did get the extension number of that particular customer service rep, right? If so, awesome. If not, get it somehow. She is going to be your friend going forward. Now, bring up the transferable warranty, and if it goes into 30 days in the shop, you'll need to escalate it to the next tier (which is probably your regional guy/gal).

Be sure to get what you can in writing. Communicate with the CSR in writing, the regional guy in writing. I can't stress enough to be detailed and accurate. I'm a letter writing FOOL. I got a years free internet and half priced full cable package from Comcast by tracking down the local president's email and sending him an 8 page letter detailing the issues I had just TRYING to get cable hooked up in my new house. I came home from work to see three tech trucks and a Mercedes (local VP) sitting in my driveway.

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