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Toiwat
Sep 6, 2011

Cpt.Wacky posted:

$135 for Lagavulin 16

Wait what? That sounds ludicrously expensive, that's usually in the €40/€50 range here in northern Italy depending on the store, taxes included.



My little collection. The rums are mostly dad's as is the cognac, Jack and the Crown Royal are mom's, the rest are mine. Hm, peat...

Ardbeg and Bowmore are the newcomers, bought those today. Missing here is the Caol Ila Cask Strenght, which I finished last month. I need to solve that.

The Lagavulin 16 is also almost empty, which I also need to solve.

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Base Emitter
Apr 1, 2012

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Lagavulin 16 is $139.99 after tax at Downtown Spirits in Seattle after tax, FYI.

http://www.downtown-spirits.com/collections/scotch/products/lagavulin

(These guys quote prices including all taxes, which is unusual for WA state.)

eta: looks like it's about $100 at Total Wine in Bellevue.

Base Emitter fucked around with this message at 04:05 on May 18, 2013

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Base Emitter posted:

Lagavulin 16 is $139.99 after tax at Downtown Spirits in Seattle after tax, FYI.

http://www.downtown-spirits.com/collections/scotch/products/lagavulin

(These guys quote prices including all taxes, which is unusual for WA state.)

Wow. $88 at California's BevMo

KhyrosFinalCut
Dec 16, 2004

Get it?

Astor wine still the winner at 68. A couple summers ago it was 47. That was a nice summer.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

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And $52 at a California Costco whenever they get them.

Usually ~$65-70 at the reasonable California boutiques.

KhyrosFinalCut
Dec 16, 2004

Get it?

kidsafe posted:

And $52 at a California Costco whenever they get them.

Usually ~$65-70 at the reasonable California boutiques.

Do you have to buy a case of it at Costco? Not that I wouldn't, at that price, mind you

Scythe
Jan 26, 2004
Does anyone know of a good resource that lists which bourbons are made with the same mashbill? I started compiling my own today and then realized that someone has probably put something together somewhere...

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:

Do you have to buy a case of it at Costco? Not that I wouldn't, at that price, mind you
Individual bottles. Availability is the main issue. Sometimes they only bother stocking higher-end whiskies around the winter holidays.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

kidsafe posted:

And $52 at a California Costco whenever they get them.

Usually ~$65-70 at the reasonable California boutiques.

:aaa:

It's around $80 here.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


It seems to be about $80 at the PA state stores as well.

I guess despite the mild annoyance of it we have okay prices. Plus I live close to a premium selection one so I get a decent set of choices.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

AuxPriest posted:

Wow the Glenfiddich 15 Solera is amazing stuff! Anyone have any recommendations for something that might be similar but more fresh and floral? The Solera feels a tad heavy for my likes.

A Glenkinchie or a Glengoyne maybe? The latter one is completely peatless and probably the lightest scotch I've tried. Or a Hakushu 12 if you're feeling adventurous.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 23:21 on May 18, 2013

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker
I happened to see the Lagavulin 16 for $55 at a Costco in California and tried it for the first time since I learned to enjoy the peat... drat this stuff is good. Makes the Macallan Director's Edition seem even stupider.

NightConqueror
Oct 5, 2006
im in ur base killin ur mans

Glottis posted:

I happened to see the Lagavulin 16 for $55 at a Costco in California and tried it for the first time since I learned to enjoy the peat... drat this stuff is good. Makes the Macallan Director's Edition seem even stupider.

I really, really hate you people who can find Lagavulin 16 for that much. My local Costco doesn't carry anything worthwhile.

Admin Understudy
Apr 17, 2002

Captain Pope-tastic

Toiwat posted:

Ardbeg and Bowmore are the newcomers, bought those today. Missing here is the Caol Ila Cask Strenght, which I finished last month. I need to solve that.

Just tried the Bowmore myself, very light tasting. Probably the least peaty Islay I've tried that's still identifiable as an Islay.

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker

NightConqueror posted:

I really, really hate you people who can find Lagavulin 16 for that much. My local Costco doesn't carry anything worthwhile.

It's normally $80 when I see it there and I had to be 400 miles from home to see the instant rebate sale price of $55, if that makes you feel any better. Liquor selection drastically varies from Costco to Costco.

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.

NightConqueror posted:

I really, really hate you people who can find Lagavulin 16 for that much. My local Costco doesn't carry anything worthwhile.

Lagavulin 16 is $90 here in Australia :smithicide:

Going to go get some Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban tomorrow, hope it lives up to the hype!

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Toiwat posted:

Wait what? That sounds ludicrously expensive, that's usually in the €40/€50 range here in northern Italy depending on the store, taxes included.



My little collection. The rums are mostly dad's as is the cognac, Jack and the Crown Royal are mom's, the rest are mine. Hm, peat...

Ardbeg and Bowmore are the newcomers, bought those today. Missing here is the Caol Ila Cask Strenght, which I finished last month. I need to solve that.

The Lagavulin 16 is also almost empty, which I also need to solve.

Lagavullin 16 was probably my favorite whisky ever but holy gently caress it jumped in price from 55 to 70 euros per bottle and iirc last time it was 100+ wth happened? Did Ron Swanson drink it all?

why oh WHY
Apr 25, 2012

So like I said, not my fault. Nobody can judge me for it.
But, yeah...
Okay.
I admit it.
Human teenager Rainbow Dash was hot!

His Divine Shadow posted:

Lagavullin 16 was probably my favorite whisky ever but holy gently caress it jumped in price from 55 to 70 euros per bottle and iirc last time it was 100+ wth happened? Did Ron Swanson drink it all?

As far as I can tell pretty much everyone has jumped in price recently.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

His Divine Shadow posted:

Lagavullin 16 was probably my favorite whisky ever but holy gently caress it jumped in price from 55 to 70 euros per bottle and iirc last time it was 100+ wth happened? Did Ron Swanson drink it all?
Master of Malt sells it at €50,40. I usually include some when ordering something else since it's hard to beat that price. Locally it's €73 which is too harsh.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Looked around for the latest finnish price and it was 70 somehing now. It's hard to tell because Alko our govt. monopoly booze store can't even display info about it's products that have more than 20% ABV something. Likewise I don't think it's allowed to buy alcohol from another EU countries even, without heavy duties imposed on it.

ChickenArise
May 12, 2010

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I thought I'd posted this already - for goons near Montgomery Cty., MD, Lagavulin 16 is ~$65 regularly. http://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/dlcsearch/

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
its 90-100$ here in colorado :(

Troll Bridgington
Dec 22, 2011

Keeping up foreign relations.
I think It's $65-70 here in Illinois. Been seriously debating on grabbing a bottle, but I wish I could find a sampler or something.

Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



If you enjoy peat at all you'll almost certainly enjoy Lagavulin. Go to a bar and try it if you don't wanna commit to a whole bottle taste untasted. Any place with pretensions towards a decent whisky list will carry it.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



God I wish I had enough cash to get a bottle of it.

Deleuzionist
Jul 20, 2010

we respect the antelope; for the antelope is not a mere antelope

His Divine Shadow posted:

Looked around for the latest finnish price and it was 70 somehing now. It's hard to tell because Alko our govt. monopoly booze store can't even display info about it's products that have more than 20% ABV something. Likewise I don't think it's allowed to buy alcohol from another EU countries even, without heavy duties imposed on it.

Alko also has Uigeadail for sale at Corryvreckan's price. :rant:

edit: had an Ardbeg Galileo and a Laphroaig 25 at a bar after work and after trying both without and with some water (tried both before too, just didn't drink anything else with the L 25 then), I'm not entirely satisfied with the 25 compared to how expensive it is. The Galileo, by no means my favourite Ardbeg although it does get quite good with a medium amount of water, was a better experience IMO. I'm now back home and nosing a Laphroaig 18 which I find to be much more aromatic and more memorable in both the nose and the flavour than the 25. The finish just seems that much more satisfying and richer in tone.

Deleuzionist fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 23, 2013

Troll Bridgington
Dec 22, 2011

Keeping up foreign relations.

Kenning posted:

If you enjoy peat at all you'll almost certainly enjoy Lagavulin. Go to a bar and try it if you don't wanna commit to a whole bottle taste untasted. Any place with pretensions towards a decent whisky list will carry it.

It's starting to grow on me. Unfortunately, the bars/restaurants I usually go to don't have the greatest whisky selection, just the usual Glenlivet, Johnnie Walker Black, etc. Maybe I'll take a risk and grab a bottle someday.

NightConqueror
Oct 5, 2006
im in ur base killin ur mans
So I've seen some of Lost Spirit's Leviathan I around lately, and it's certainly piqued my interest. I haven't really experienced any peated\smoked American spirits even though the numbers of them are growing (like Corsair Triple Smoke, Balcones Brimstone, etc). I know the distiller has gotten a bad rap, and I was just curious if anyone has tried it and what their opinions are. At $55 it's a hard sell, because I can get Ardbeg for less and Laphroaig Cask Strength at the same price.

This K & L Spirits Blog about the distiller, Bryan Davis, was a pretty interesting read too.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

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NightConqueror posted:

So I've seen some of Lost Spirit's Leviathan I around lately, and it's certainly piqued my interest. I haven't really experienced any peated\smoked American spirits even though the numbers of them are growing (like Corsair Triple Smoke, Balcones Brimstone, etc). I know the distiller has gotten a bad rap, and I was just curious if anyone has tried it and what their opinions are. At $55 it's a hard sell, because I can get Ardbeg for less and Laphroaig Cask Strength at the same price.

This K & L Spirits Blog about the distiller, Bryan Davis, was a pretty interesting read too.

Apparently I wasn't the only one who thought Leviathan was undrinkable...

Recall my post from a couple months back.

I'd be hard pressed to give his products a second chance until I hear some actual positive feedback.

Politicalrancor
Jan 29, 2008

Glottis posted:

I happened to see the Lagavulin 16 for $55 at a Costco in California and tried it for the first time since I learned to enjoy the peat... drat this stuff is good. Makes the Macallan Director's Edition seem even stupider.

Which loving Costco in California?

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Had to go visit an Alko store and look at some whisky since my laphroaig was out. I've had it two times in a row and lagavullin's too expensive at 72 euros so I picked up a bottle of Caol Ila for 47 euros. Never had that before but it's definitely an islay, I haven't had one yet I didn't like.

Edit: drat you know I'm pouring a 2nd serving of these, don't normally ever go for a 2nd glass in one night, but this one is really working for me.

His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 20:45 on May 24, 2013

beefnchedda
Aug 16, 2004

Politicalrancor posted:

Which loving Costco in California?

I have seen it at San Francisco and both South San Francisco stores for that price - although I think it was 65 on my last visit.
Also the San Francisco store seems to have more premium liquor now and has a bottle of 1964 Glenlivet for $1750.00

Admin Understudy
Apr 17, 2002

Captain Pope-tastic
Picked up a bottle of the Laphroaig QC today, went to the top of my list to try after reading through this thread. Looking forward to opening it soon however I've been flying through bottles too fast so I decided to also get an economy bottle to drink.

Bought a 1.75L of Teacher's for $30 as I've never tried that before but read a couple OK (for budget scotch) reviews online and thought that cost was decent. It's alright, balanced nose, I found the mouthfeel very smooth and creamy neat but it became almost oily with a little water. The taste is the simple basic blended scotch, I find it sort of grassy and nutty. A bunch of reviews said subtle smoke but I don't find that at all. Oh well, you get what you pay for and while I've had far worse this didn't meet my hopes of finding a quality bottle under $30.

Politicalrancor
Jan 29, 2008

Though its not often brought up in this thread, The Knot Irish Whiskey is pretty delicious. A ton of vanilla and honey. Honestly, too sweet for extended drinking but still pretty good.

Glottis
May 29, 2002

No. It's necessary.
Yam Slacker

Politicalrancor posted:

Which loving Costco in California?

I personally found it at the Signal Hill one, but it's apparently at others too.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



Stop drinking it all dammit!

Growing appetite for American whisky straining supply posted:

Fans of some American whiskies might soon be scrambling to find their favourite brand because of a seemingly insatiable demand for bourbon, rye and other styles of whisky that shows no sign of abating.

Consumption in the U.S. of straight American whisky, a category that includes bourbon, rye, corn whisky and Tennessee whisky, grew by 5.2 per cent in 2012, compared with 3.5 per cent in 2011, said a report released this week by Technomic, a food industry market research firm.

The increase in consumption was almost as large as that for vodka, which has a market share four times that of whisky and a consumption increase of 5.8 per cent in 2012.


The growing appetite for whisky has created supply pressures on some distilleries, particularly those that specialize in small-batch, premium products that have been rising in popularity, in part owing to a growing consumer movement that favours artisanal, locally sourced, niche products and production methods.

"It's primarily the smaller producers who have limited capacity that are dealing with this issue, although Maker's Mark, which is the fourth-largest straight American whisky in the U.S. market, is facing challenges to supply based on increased demand," said Donna Hood Crecca, senior director of Technomic's adult beverage resource group.
Kentucky distilleries expanding

Maker's Mark, which is owned by Beam Inc., makers of Jim Beam and Canadian Club, made news earlier this year when it announced that it would be watering down its bourbon in order to reduce its alcohol content so it could produce more product to meet rising demand. It backpedalled after an outcry from customers, who began hoarding the higher-proof bourbon in anticipation of the change.
Some of the popular bourbon brands sold by Beam Inc., the world's biggest producer of American whisky. It also owns Canadian Club whisky.Some of the popular bourbon brands sold by Beam Inc., the world's biggest producer of American whisky. It also owns Canadian Club whisky.

The scare increased sales of Maker's Mark by 44 per cent in the first quarter of 2013, leading some to speculate that the whole thing was a shrewd marketing strategy.

Other distillers in Kentucky, where much of American whiskey is made, have also been scrambling to satisfy the growing appetite for all styles of whisky.

Heaven Hill, a family-owned distillery that is the second-largest holder of bourbon and American aging whisky after Beam, is undergoing its second expansion in seven years and is building a new visitors centre in downtown Louisville, Ky.

Its flagship bourbon brand, Evan Williams Black, saw a six per cent increase in sales in 2012, said Larry Kass, director of corporate communications for Heaven Hill Distilleries.

"Both on the production side and from the tourism and marketing end, we and several other distilleries are making major investments," he said.
No sign of slowdown

Kass has been watching sales of American whisky skyrocket at home and abroad for the last decade.

"The rise of distilled spirits, cocktails and that whole thing, that has been going on for at least 10 years, but more specifically, bourbon, because of the nature of how it's made, the very traditional method that’s used, the fact that there's nothing artificial about the whole product, it plays very well into the whole locavore, slow food movement that's going on right now."
Whisky has to be aged for several years in barrels like this one at the Woodford Reserve distillery in Versailles, Ky., which means it's sometimes hard for producers to increase supply quickly enough to meet rising demand. Whisky has to be aged for several years in barrels like this one at the Woodford Reserve distillery in Versailles, Ky., which means it's sometimes hard for producers to increase supply quickly enough to meet rising demand. (Martinne Geller/Reuters)

The trend shows no sign of slowing down, he said, which is what has made distillers confident enough to invest heavily in their operations.

"There's no reason to believe that this is going to change dramatically. We all believe firmly that the growth trends in American whisky will continue," he said.

Buffalo Trace, another Kentucky distillery, which is owned by the Sazerac Company, issued a press release earlier this week warning customers that, despite an increase in production, demand is outpacing supply.

"We are making more bourbon every day. Our warehouses are filling up with new barrels," the release said. "Waiting for the bourbon to come of age is the hard part. While we wait, there could be temporary product shortages.… This announcement is not meant as some sort of scare tactic to get people hoarding bourbon."

Kass said that his company isn't experiencing shortages, but "supplies are tight."

"But they tend to be historically tight in the bourbon business," he said. "The nature of our business is we need to project demand very far in the future."
Many whisky types on the rise

While American whisky has seen the biggest sales boost, other types of whiskies are also on the rise, Kass said.

"A lot of different styles of whisky are popular right now," he said. "There's all these great expressions of Canadian whisky now that you never used to be able to get, so that's experiencing a bit of a renaissance as well."

The Technomic report found that other types of whisky did not see as great a rise in demand last year as straight American whisky. Consumption of American blended whisky declined by one per cent while Canadian whisky remained essentially flat, with only a 0.7 per cent uptick.

"Scotch whisky slipped slightly (–0.2 per cent), although the single malt Scotch segment grew 6.3 per cent," Hood Crecca said in an email to CBC News.

Irish whisky saw a double digit gain as in the previous year (+21.6 per cent), but that's because it is the smallest category of spirits in the U.S. market, she said.
Whisky catching up to Vodka

Canadian distillers have also been tracking the rising popularity of whiskies, says Jan Westcott, president and CEO of Sprits Canada, the national trade association for distilled spirits.

"After 25 years of vodka, vodka, vodka, whiskies are back in front of consumers, and North American whiskies in particular, particularly rye whiskies, seem to be really of interest," he said.
Vodka was the drink du jour in the 1990s and early 2000s, spurred by the popularity of the TV show Sex and the City, whose characters drank cosmopolitans. Above, a vodka-based cocktail.Vodka was the drink du jour in the 1990s and early 2000s, spurred by the popularity of the TV show Sex and the City, whose characters drank cosmopolitans. Above, a vodka-based cocktail. (Lucas Jackson/Reuters)

"We have a lot of U.S. companies coming up and buying rye from us and rebranding it."

More than 15 million cases of Canadian whisky were sold in the U.S. in 2011, according to the Beverage Information Group's Liquor Handbook. (A case is equivalent to nine litres, or 12 750 ml bottles, and is the standard measure in the industry.)

Canada exports 70 per cent of the whisky it produces, about 60 per cent of it to the U.S., and the rest to Europe and Asia, Westcott said.

Canadian brands like Crown Royal, Wiser's and Canadian Club are usually shipped south as bottled products, but some whisky is exported in bulk and either sold as Canadian whisky under American brands or blended and sold as other types of whisky.

Canadian domestic consumption of whisky has risen by almost a million litres between 2010 and 2012, according to Spirits Canada figures (see a full breakdown here). Canadian whisky accounted for 72 per cent of the 4.7 million cases of whisky sold in 2012 — about 3½ times more than Scotch, the second-most popular whisky.
No shortage in Canada

Westcott says Canadian producers haven't reported any shortages but stressed that balancing supply and demand can be tricky in the whisky business.

"The reality is, because you have to age whisky, it's very challenging to be able to forecast what the market is going to require," he said.

Whiskies have to age in the barrel anywhere from five to 30 years. In the past, producers have run out of a certain age category and had to use older whiskies in order to "keep the brand in front of people," Westcott said.

Most of Canada's whisky is produced in Ontario, with Alberta being the second-largest producer and some distilleries in Quebec and Manitoba. The whisky produced in Eastern Canada is generally corn-based with rye flavouring while western whiskies are made from rye.
The Mad Men effect

Westcott attributes the rising popularity of whisky to a combination of pop culture influences, an appetite for new products with more complex flavours and a story behind them and a renewed interest in premium products that can brand themselves as something legitimately unique and prized.
The popularity of the TV show Mad Men, whose leading man, Don Draper, above, is often seen drinking Canadian Club whisky, has fuelled some of the rising interest in the spirit.The popularity of the TV show Mad Men, whose leading man, Don Draper, above, is often seen drinking Canadian Club whisky, has fuelled some of the rising interest in the spirit. (Michael Yarish/AMC/Associated Press)

"It was Sex and the City that drove interest in martinis, cosmos, things like that [in the '90s]. Vodka's had a strong run for a long time, but the public said, 'OK, we've tried that; what's next?'" he said. "Programs like Mad Men, where Canadian Club figures prominently, [have] driven that. It's a maturing of consumer tastes. They're looking for something that's a little bit more interesting.

"The first challenge in the '90s and in the early 2000s was to get them back to spirits. They're back, and it's just a natural progression. You're seeing it most in whiskies, but it's also quite significant in dark rums."

The introduction of flavoured whiskies has also helped expand the spirits market share, Westcott said. Crown Royal now has a maple-flavoured whisky while Alberta's Black Velvet sells a toasted caramel whisky and Wiser's carries a spiced vanilla flavour. The Technomic report found that Fireball Cinnamon Whisky, a spicy Canadian whisky liqueur, was among the fastest-growing brands in the U.S. in 2012.

"That's bringing a lot of people into the category that would never have seen themselves as whisky drinkers — for example, women, who tend not to think of themselves as whisky drinkers," Westcott said.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
Well, the trend sucks for us right now but maybe in a few years it will have moved on to tequila or some poo poo I don't care about and the bandwagoners will move on and the prices will come down again.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

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Stultus Maximus posted:

Well, the trend sucks for us right now but maybe in a few years it will have moved on to tequila or some poo poo I don't care about and the bandwagoners will move on and the prices will come down again.
Don't bet on it. Even if US consumption tapers off, China/India and the rest of Asia have yet to fully jump on the American whiskey bandwagon. And when they do...

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth
I'll stop drinking whiskey when it stops being so good.

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Kenning
Jan 11, 2009

I really want to post goatse. Instead I only have these🍄.



Stultus Maximus posted:

Well, the trend sucks for us right now but maybe in a few years it will have moved on to tequila or some poo poo I don't care about and the bandwagoners will move on and the prices will come down again.

Tequila had its big bump about 3 years ago and it's since tapered off a lot. Tequila production is even more time-hosed than whiskey because they have to wait 10 years to even harvest an agave. I'd say that Irish whiskey is the most likely thing to take the pressure off of American stuff. There's some minor chance that rum could get hot in the next couple years, but it just doesn't have the cachet of bourbon and rye. Also the flavor profiles of different rums vary too widely for a broad-based rum surge. Unfortunately American whiskey is still inexpensive and "sophisticated" enough that it probably won't cool off for a while.

Booze trends man.

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