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GrAviTy84 posted:~~ahem~~ the ONETRUE martini is gin, stirred (never shaken), served straight up. I mean far be it from me from telling anyone how to take their drinks. But if you want gin there's already a perfectly serviceable way to order it without further corruption of the long-suffering sobriquet `martini'---just say `gin'.
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SubG posted:As a point of fact, a martini is by definition a cocktail and a cocktail is by definition a mixed drink. Gin served neat is not a mixed drink, ergo not a cocktail, ergo not a martini. I like my shaker rinsed with vermouth before the ice goes in. I was merely stating vodka and shaking does not a martini make. Dash of celery bitters can be cool, too.
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May 29, 2013 00:07
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I find martini ratios of more than 8:1 or so to be tiresome, and I almost always mix mine somewhere between 6:1 and 3:1. Good, fresh vermouth is a wonderful thing.
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May 29, 2013 00:35
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I drink my martinis straight from the bottle aka Lohan style.
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May 29, 2013 01:37
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I am joining in on the pro vermouth side. You need fresh, good, vermouth though - otherwise yeah, just drink straight liquor. Bad tasting vermouth makes a cocktail taste awful. Taste your vermouth before you put it in your drink.. if you don't like the taste of it, you won't like the taste of it in your drink. It's the same rule as not using wine you wouldn't drink inside your food. My preferences: For martinis, gin and this guy: http://www.dolin.fr/gb/vermout_dry_dolin.html For manhattans, rye and this guy: http://www.specialitybrands.com/brands/antica-formula-vermouth Once you fix the vermouth, I like a 2:1 ratio.
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May 29, 2013 02:16
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Appl posted:I am joining in on the pro vermouth side. You need fresh, good, vermouth though - otherwise yeah, just drink straight liquor. Bad tasting vermouth makes a cocktail taste awful. This is a good opinion. I usually mix my martinis like 3:1
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May 29, 2013 08:01
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GrAviTy84 posted:~~ahem~~ the ONETRUE martini is gin, stirred (never shaken), served straight up. This. In norway, drinks are only sold with 1.3oz booze, so if you order a martini it's topped off with vermouth. Yipes.
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May 29, 2013 14:17
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I like a dirty martini with AT LEAST one part olive juice and like, five olives stabbed onto a stirstick. I think at this point it's more of a disgusting olive juice cocktail, but it's great. e: VVV I think it depends who I'm with. In good company I'll make a 3:1 and top my glass to the brim with olive juice so it's probably closer to 3:1:4, but in polite company it's closer to 3:1:1. v  v I don't drink often otherwise the salt may have killed me by now, heh.
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May 29, 2013 15:05
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One part olive juice is quite dependant on how many parts gin.
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May 29, 2013 16:14
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BlueGrot posted:This. In norway, drinks are only sold with 1.3oz booze Wait, what? They limit the amount of booze per drink?
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May 29, 2013 16:27
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Yes. Also, you have to pour the mixing ingredients into the booze. It's illegal to booze up soda, but legal to dilute booze with soda. If you want a double drink you have to order an additional shot. Our gin & tonics are awful. 6/10ths tonic.
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May 29, 2013 17:08
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I remember in Ireland, all the bars had (by law) electronic volume-measuring dispensers attached to each bottle, so you would get whatever exact amount law required. When I expressed skceptism of the necessity of such an expense (every bottle in every bar, nationwide), the Irish were bewildered: "What, you mean you would just trust a bartender to pour you a drink? If it was a mixed drink, how would you ever know if you got what you paid for?" I think of that response as "CountriesWithNoTippingCulture.txt"
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May 29, 2013 17:54
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Weather was nice enough that we've been working on getting the garden ploughed and things watered, so as a way to celebrate that, we had a grilled meal last night. Everything on the grill - goat chops, bread, fennel/peppers/zucchini/etc., served with tatziki under the big walnut trees and the grape vines that have just started to put on little fruit buds. I love summer so much.
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May 29, 2013 18:54
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Weather was nice enough that we've been working on getting the garden ploughed and things watered, so as a way to celebrate that, we had a grilled meal last night. Everything on the grill - goat chops, bread, fennel/peppers/zucchini/etc., served with tatziki under the big walnut trees and the grape vines that have just started to put on little fruit buds. I love summer so much. Our weather in the UK has been really poo poo for the most part: cold and/or rainy. My tulips did come up beautifully for the first time though, and they've given me a lot of pleasure. Just booked a holiday: 2 weeks in Tuscany. It has better be hot.
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May 29, 2013 19:52
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I love Martinis! My favorite Martini is a Strawberry Chocopolitan.
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May 29, 2013 20:06
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BlueGrot posted:Yes. Also, you have to pour the mixing ingredients into the booze. It's illegal to booze up soda, but legal to dilute booze with soda. If you want a double drink you have to order an additional shot. Our gin & tonics are awful. 6/10ths tonic. Whenever I feel down about draconic Swedish drinking laws I can console myself by thinking "at least it's not Norway".
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May 29, 2013 20:10
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Squashy Nipples posted:I remember in Ireland, all the bars had (by law) electronic volume-measuring dispensers attached to each bottle, so you would get whatever exact amount law required. When I expressed skceptism of the necessity of such an expense (every bottle in every bar, nationwide), the Irish were bewildered: "What, you mean you would just trust a bartender to pour you a drink? If it was a mixed drink, how would you ever know if you got what you paid for?" Do American bartenders just eyeball it then? I think the idea in the Netherlands is that one of those measures = one standard measure of alcohol so that one beer equals one glass of wine equals one whisky and so on in terms of how much pure alcohol they contain. Plus everyone wants to get exactly what they pay for/not give more than was paid for because Dutch people. :cryingclog:
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May 29, 2013 20:12
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The eyeball system rules and favors heavy tippers and/or charming drunks so I usually do well under it.
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May 29, 2013 20:15
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A lot places use those tops that are supposed to more or less measure out a shot, so it just means the bartender has to turn the bottle upright before she can continue pouring.
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May 29, 2013 20:25
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With a whiskey gate, a 2 second pour is about 1.5oz o alcohol.
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May 29, 2013 20:25
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bunnielab posted:The eyeball system rules and favors heavy tippers and/or charming drunks so I usually do well under it. The trick in non-tipping cultures is a little small-talk followed by a tip. Not more than the price of one drink but enough to make them feel special. E: Unless you're buying for a large group, tip well with a large group and be treated like kings. PiratePing fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 20:28
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BlueGrot posted:Yes. Also, you have to pour the mixing ingredients into the booze. It's illegal to booze up soda, but legal to dilute booze with soda. If you want a double drink you have to order an additional shot. Our gin & tonics are awful. 6/10ths tonic. Squashy Nipples posted:I remember in Ireland, all the bars had (by law) electronic volume-measuring dispensers attached to each bottle, so you would get whatever exact amount law required. When I expressed skceptism of the necessity of such an expense (every bottle in every bar, nationwide), the Irish were bewildered: "What, you mean you would just trust a bartender to pour you a drink? If it was a mixed drink, how would you ever know if you got what you paid for?"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbBfrKsVqY
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May 29, 2013 20:30
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Martinis on the rocks are not a new thing or an abomination, they've just fallen out of fashion. "up, or on the rocks?" used to be a question a bartender would ask after "vodka or gin?" I like potato vodka martinis on the rocks, fairly dry and a tiny bit dirty- no olives. I have yet to be struck by lightning or strangled by an indignant mixologist.
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May 29, 2013 21:04
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PiratePing posted:Do American bartenders just eyeball it then? I think the idea in the Netherlands is that one of those measures = one standard measure of alcohol so that one beer equals one glass of wine equals one whisky and so on in terms of how much pure alcohol they contain. Plus everyone wants to get exactly what they pay for/not give more than was paid for because Dutch people. :cryingclog: Yep, they just pour. We are probably kidding ourselves, but we think of mixing drinks as more art then science. A good bartender here never measures anything. And yes, while I do love the Dutch, holy crap what a nation of cheapskates.
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May 29, 2013 21:12
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First they came for the martini, and I did not speak up, because I was underage. Then they came for the manhattan, and I didn't speak up, because whatever gets people drinking whiskey is a start. Then they came for the pimms cup but whatever, that owns. But if you start loving with the negroni I will bury you all. Xoxo, VM, your humble cocktologist.
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May 29, 2013 21:19
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Vegetable Melange posted:First they came for the martini, and I did not speak up, because I was underage. Then they came for the manhattan, and I didn't speak up, because whatever gets people drinking whiskey is a start. Then they came for the pimms cup but whatever, that owns. Well that was quick 
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May 29, 2013 21:21
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Without stirring up that old can of worms, norwegians usually don't tip.
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May 29, 2013 21:38
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I've never worked in the South of Ireland, but in the North we use measures to demonstrate that the customer is getting at least a standard 35ml measure of their spirit. Cocktails get as much as the drink needs/the management will let you use, and you'll get more than a standard measure if you a) are nice or b) tip.
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May 29, 2013 22:05
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Squashy Nipples posted:Yep, they just pour. We are probably kidding ourselves, but we think of mixing drinks as more art then science. A good bartender here never measures anything. High end places pour by hand but in regular bars you get a measure. Most people feel a good cocktail is one where you basically only taste alcohol because that is Good Value For Your Money. The most deserved of stereotypes 
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May 29, 2013 22:18
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Wroughtirony posted:Martinis on the rocks are not a new thing or an abomination, they've just fallen out of fashion. "up, or on the rocks?" used to be a question a bartender would ask after "vodka or gin?" They're not new, but they're definitely an abomination. They've fallen out of fashion because the fashion has gotten better. The 70s-90s were dark decades for cocktails, but we've come a long way in the last 10 years. Also if you're ordering from a bar of course they're not going to strangle you. That's why I do all of my mixing at home, where I don't worry about tips.
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May 29, 2013 22:19
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Wroughtirony posted:I like potato vodka martinis on the rocks, fairly dry and a tiny bit dirty- no olives. I have yet to be struck by lightning or strangled by an indignant mixologist. well sure, it's the hospitality industry. Thomas Keller will serve you a burnt steak if you ask for it. Doesn't mean it's right just means the bartender wants your money more than he wants to be right.
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May 29, 2013 22:34
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PiratePing posted:High end places pour by hand but in regular bars you get a measure. My experience is the complete opposite. Normal bars just count out a pour for your jack and coke or whatever, high-end cocktail bars do precise measurements so your Aviation comes out perfect. Or were you talking about those horrible pour-limit devices?
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May 29, 2013 22:58
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Vegetable Melange posted:But if you start loving with the negroni I will bury you all. Xoxo, VM, your humble cocktologist. I use a negroni as the litmus test for a bar/bartender. If they can't do one right I will not bother to order any more mixed drinks.
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May 29, 2013 23:17
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mindphlux posted:good man. I'm not kidding about warning you not to search for it. Pfft. That was not remotely terrible, internet-wise. That liquid looked fake, anyway. Once you've seen "3 men 1 hammer" and "1 man 1 jar," nothing else is the same.
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May 29, 2013 23:44
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 Somehow I missed 3 men 1 hammer. What do I drink to get rid of this taste in my mouth?E: VVVV  Well done.
Fluffy Bunnies fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 30, 2013 |
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May 30, 2013 00:09
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:
a screwdriver ahahah
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May 30, 2013 00:11
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man sometimes it's really loving hard not to troll people on facebook  have fun with your sludgeburgers, girl I knew in elementary school! and they'll be totally gluten free too! mindphlux fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 30, 2013 |
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May 30, 2013 00:12
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Wife bought ground turkey for me to make turkey burgers once. I added an egg, some Worcestershire, and some other stuff because I knew it'd be a bit dry. 99% sure I cooked them right, and they were loving awful. It's the dryest drat meat ever. I can make a far better beet and lentil based veggie burger, so I'll stick to that for my healthy burg.
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May 30, 2013 00:28
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I make turkey burgers every now and then, and they usually turn out pretty well. I shop at the same market that Mindphlux does and their ground turkey is really good (as far as I know at least). I still mix it with sriracha and some fish sauce though.
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Chef De Cuisinart posted:Wife bought ground turkey for me to make turkey burgers once. I added an egg, some Worcestershire, and some other stuff because I knew it'd be a bit dry. 99% sure I cooked them right, and they were loving awful. It's the dryest drat meat ever. I can make a far better beet and lentil based veggie burger, so I'll stick to that for my healthy burg.
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