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QPZIL posted:I dig the new Deafheaven, but I wouldn't really call it black metal at all. Blast beats and tremelo-picked guitars don't always equal black metal. If anything, I'd call it sort of a post-screamo (i.e. early 90s screamo: Pg.99, City of Caterpillar, Funeral Diner, etc.). It has more in common with that stuff than it does with black metal. This was my reaction as well. Though it definitely has its black metal elements, for the most part I think it owes its sound to 90s post-hardcore a la Texas Is The Reason or Braid more than it does to traditional black metal or shoegaze. I thought it was appropriate that they covered Mogwai's "Punk Rock/Cody" on their split with Bosse-De-Nage since they use so many of those pretty and very heavy descending progressions that Mogwai uses. They're a funny band, though, because the relentless shrieking will alienate non-black-metal fans while their very non-kvltishness will drive away the fanatically orthodox black metal fans. On another note, Aosoth was awesome at MDF. Unfortunately it seems that was their only US date but definitely go see them if you get a chance.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Being the arbiter of taste like this is really arrogant. In all fairness this cuts both ways. Insisting that something is awesome is the same as insisting it sucks. But this is what makes metal awesome, trash talking and all of that. People get a little too sensitive when something they like is poo poo on and that ain't metal.
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Not really feeling that Summoning album. Some of the horns sound like straight up MIDIs. I haven't really listened to Summoning before, so if that's part of their schtick then whatever.
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Here's a great, rough black metal demo that is mostly conventional with slower blast beats and tremolo riffs as well as some slower sections. The structure is fairly standard, and it alternates speeds, but it seems to fit perfectly into a demo of this length. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIsYKnaxPDo Monkeytime posted:On another note, Aosoth was awesome at MDF. Unfortunately it seems that was their only US date but definitely go see them if you get a chance. Aosoth was good, I liked Antaeus a bit better though. Vinterland were great even though their sound was completely hosed up, I love the band enough to follow it despite missing half of the guitars due to a blown amp. It seems like MDF can never have a Swedish black metal band play without issue (i.e. Unanimated cancelling last year). Vinterland are one of the best melodic black metal bands, I love this stuff. It's a shame they'll never play the US again and only two songs sounded right, but I enjoyed it anyway. Had a nice talk with the guys too, they were just hanging out watching all the heavy metal bands on Sunday - very nice guys! They said they might record some new Vinterland material but if they did play live again, it would likely not be in Sweden or America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLw4sXFK5Fo Morbid Florist posted:In all fairness this cuts both ways. Insisting that something is awesome is the same as insisting it sucks. The best and easiest target for making fun of pathetic stuff is depressive black metal. The bedroom black metal scene is full of wonderful treasures like clowns and sub-labels that only release raw black metal/noise on floppy disk that are limited to 20 copies. Here's your daily dose of good basement black metal. First takes, hungover drummer, bassist playing guitar and singing, both of them forgetting parts but working it out. It's the essence of metal - a couple dudes rocking the gently caress out in a rehearsal room/basement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8CVSgV9KBQ
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May 30, 2013 15:54
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Wow. Floppy disks are grim, now. I guess they're black at least... It was worth clicking that link for this gem: "Do not mourning if natural take your property away from you" 
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May 30, 2013 16:09
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Morbid Florist posted:It was worth clicking that link for this gem: "Do not mourning if natural take your property away from you" This reminds me that the biggest disappointment of MDF was finding out that the frontman of Abigail doesn't speak in Abigail lyrics 
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May 30, 2013 16:36
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you know whats good? its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwUQuHppHYA
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May 30, 2013 18:03
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Zodijackylite posted:
Looks like I will have to check out Vinterland. Also, what anateus albums would you recommend? Probably seeing them live at wolf throne festival in November.
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May 30, 2013 21:30
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MrBling posted:you know whats good? Do you know of anything that sounds exactly like Pest (Ger) but is easier to get ahold of? I've been playing that youtube of Wikinger I think you posted all week.
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Morbid Florist posted:In all fairness this cuts both ways. Insisting that something is awesome is the same as insisting it sucks. Haha, I'm not insisting Deafheaven is awesome. I don't like them near as much as some atmo acts like Wolves and Krallice (you might hate those but whatever  ). Taste is personal, that's why I object to people saying that things are objectively poo poo.That's one of the things that I love about the music community in general, is that people actually care, and it's inspiring to see someone defend what they like.
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MrBling posted:you know whats good? Hey you're right.
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nomapple posted:Looks like I will have to check out Vinterland. Also, what anateus albums would you recommend? Probably seeing them live at wolf throne festival in November. In my opinion, Blood Libels is probably the strongest Antaeus album. It's an extremely punishing but extremely rewarding album.
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deadking posted:In my opinion, Blood Libels is probably the strongest Antaeus album. It's an extremely punishing but extremely rewarding album. Seconding this. Blood Libels is an excellent album and it's all-out
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Killsion posted:You just completely contradicted yourself. You say outside influences are perfectly fine... except ones you dislike. Shoegaze has pretty much no musical similarites to Black Metal. It has aesthetic similarities. Also, you called yourself a "seasoned listener". I'll take my risking looking like an rear end in a top hat for being "closed minded" and "elitist" (quality over quantity/bullshit) over your weepy ego drama every day of the week and twice on sunday.
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May 31, 2013 02:48
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Can you put together a list of what kind of music is okay to like RHTITE?
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RHTITE posted:Shoegaze has pretty much no musical similarites to Black Metal. It has aesthetic similarities. Also, you called yourself a "seasoned listener". I'll take my risking looking like an rear end in a top hat for being "closed minded" and "elitist" (quality over quantity/bullshit) over your weepy ego drama every day of the week and twice on sunday. How do you keep friends, dude?
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nerve posted:Can you put together a list of what kind of music is okay to like RHTITE? Yes. WASDF posted:How do you keep friends, dude? No mosh no core no fun no trends no friends.
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RHTITE posted:Shoegaze has pretty much no musical similarites to Black Metal. It has aesthetic similarities. Also, you called yourself a "seasoned listener". I'll take my risking looking like an rear end in a top hat for being "closed minded" and "elitist" (quality over quantity/bullshit) over your weepy ego drama every day of the week and twice on sunday. They can absolutely have musical similarities. Both genres often use a great deal of reverb, as well as a focus on tremelo picked chords. The airy and ethereal vocals are similar as well to certain forms of black metal, not by the specific sound, but certainly in their usage. Notice though I said these are unintentional similarities. Obviously both of these genres had no direct influence on the other, but they use the same methods in their music, just differently. Why you are proud of being closed minded is beyond me however. There are genres besides metal. It is alright to listen to them. Some of your favorite bands probably even listen to techno.
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Killsion posted:They can absolutely have musical similarities. Both genres often use a great deal of reverb, as well as a focus on tremelo picked chords. The airy and ethereal vocals are similar as well to certain forms of black metal, not by the specific sound, but certainly in their usage. Notice though I said these are unintentional similarities. Obviously both of these genres had no direct influence on the other, but they use the same methods in their music, just differently. Look at you making lots of assumptions and jumping to a lot of conclusions. Don't worry, though, you've made sure that everyone knows what a caveman I am and how evolved you are.
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Despite whatever similarities you note between shoegaze and black metal, a true black metaller like Akhenaten never gazes at his  Who-gaze? No, I gaze only into the depths of your avatar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=briNdRvPydE
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Zodijackylite posted:Despite whatever similarities you note between shoegaze and black metal, a true black metaller like Akhenaten never gazes at his Just listen to that guitar and drumming, this is just punk, not metal.  Man, I haven't listened to Judas Iscariot since high school. Solid band though.
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I loved Sunbather at first, now I think it's... fine. I don't want to listen to it anymore. It's for metalheads the same way that a frappuccino is for coffee lovers. Don't get me wrong, I love me some shoegazey-rear end bullshit, but I'd rather listen to other things for the thousandth time than Deafheaven for the third. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJrBklCrHz0
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Nova Bizzare posted:Do you know of anything that sounds exactly like Pest (Ger) but is easier to get ahold of? I've been playing that youtube of Wikinger I think you posted all week. Craft and Armagedda might be similar bands. Pest doesn't really do anything special but they do it very well. Unlord is a bit different but still kinda in the same vein.
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Killsion posted:Why you are proud of being closed minded is beyond me however. There are genres besides metal. It is alright to listen to them. Some of your favorite bands probably even listen to techno. However like Fenriz said they listen to all sorts of poo poo, including techno, but they wouldn't ever let it seep into Darkthrone's music because it doesn't belong there. Lemmy writes all sorts of music but he'd never release it as Motorhead because their fans expect a certain output, so he'll release it solo. Nobody wants to sit around a trailer camp listening to anthrax, but part of black metal's appeal is the caveman gently caress everything else ethos.
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Morbid Florist posted:...a trailer camp... Over here in Amerikkka we call them, trailer parks not trailer camps! 
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One does not take liberties with possibly the best quote from a metal related film in history. Especially one that shits on anthrax
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But it's not up to you or Fenriz or anyone else to decide what does or doesn't belong in any given genre. If someone wants to make black metal with shoegaze and post rock influences they can and if you don't like it you don't have to listen to it. It doesn't have any effect on you at all.
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Fenriz and I aren't allowed to an opinion and talk about it? Grow up. Those of us saying it sucks don't have any effect on anyone else in here either.
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It's interesting how people see black metal so differently. I've never been much into the Marduk or Dark Funeral kind of thing. My favourite black metal songs have always been the ones where I find something beautiful behind the presented front of grimness - songs like Transilvanian Hunger, The Claws of Time, Enter the Eternal Fire, My Journey to the Stars, Withstand the Fall of Time, Mother North... That said, as someone that enjoys shoegaze in its own right, I do agree that a lot of the way shoegaze is being injected into black metal is fairly uninspiring. However, like I'm sure people have said before, if there's no innovation we'll just be listening to nostalgic aping of A Blaze in the Northern Sky forever. Anyway, people should post more like Taken Away by the Torn Black Shroud.
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In other news, new Christicide isn't as good as their first LP, but it'll still scratch your orthodox itch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnuOIgr0Yko
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Windir is a perfect example of a band bringing in another "influence" that, while a touch lame, doesn't cross a line. Electronica and black metal is a thin line to walk but I think they kept the questionable elements minimal enough that they still loving rule. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiYxiK5m-KY If someone thinks it sucks and I suck and my taste sucks, good for them. I'll tell them they suck and their taste sucks and we all have some fun. I'm not going to call them an "unseasoned listener" because there's no such thing.
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Morbid Florist posted:Windir is a perfect example of a band bringing in another "influence" that, while a touch lame, doesn't cross a line. Electronica and black metal is a thin line to walk but I think they kept the questionable elements minimal enough that they still loving rule. Reminds me of the first time I heard this while looking into Windir a long time ago. Still owns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPFRRYHUgi0 My seasoned listener comment is more an indication of being able to appreciate multiple forms of music. You not only hate "blackgaze", you also outright hate shoegaze, and probably dream-pop along with it. There is a lot of good stuff in there you're missing out on for reasons simply unknown to me.
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I appreciate other forms of music, but none of those are on the list. If you can't grasp why some people hate some kinds of music, this conversation is long past over.
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Listen to Countess and shut up.
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Weaponized Cum posted:Listen to Countess and shut up. Never saw the appeal. Like some weird cross of kvlt kiddie stuff and traditional metal. Rather listen to Clandestine Blaze or something, and that says a lot.
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Rion.exe posted:Anyway, people should post more like Taken Away by the Torn Black Shroud. I need more things like this. I have a few Nehemah albums but they just don't hit me like that particular track.
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I like everything but rap and country.
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I'm enjoying the increased activity in the thread, even if it is a lame argument over whether "blackgaze" is good or not. (I loving hate that term, but I like a lot of the music associated with it, like I said, Deafheaven converted me with Sunbather. Just out of interest, those who don't like Deafheaven/bands that sound like that, where do you draw the line? Do you guys enjoy WITTR/bands that sound like that? Although WITTR are a lot more "black metal" than Deafheaven, they aren't exactly worlds apart. I'm just curious as to whether you only like the more orthodox stuff, or whether you just don't like the least orthodox stuff out there. Has there been any good orthodox stuff yet this year? Horna was OK, Sad did nothing for me
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nomapple posted:I'm enjoying the increased activity in the thread, even if it is a lame argument over whether "blackgaze" is good or not. (I loving hate that term, but I like a lot of the music associated with it, like I said, Deafheaven converted me with Sunbather. I dislike the term "blackgaze" myself, thus why I usually leave it in quotations. As for orthodox, when I think orthodox black metal I think your theistic Satanist, anti-cosmic chaos Gnosticism stuff etc. Deathspell Omega, Katharsis, Dodsengel, Fides Inversa, that stuff, of which I absolutely love and I highly recommend. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtLcX8Oc9EQ I don't particularly listen to stuff like Horna too much anymore unfortunately. I think there is a new Clandestine Blaze album though, may catch your fancy.
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Killsion posted:I dislike the term "blackgaze" myself, thus why I usually leave it in quotations. Deathspell Omega is really unconventional, though.
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