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If we go by the park theory.... There are lots of arches here! Washington Square park is just about the most famous arched park in the City. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Square_Park It also happens to have a very famous tree (one of the oldest in NYC) that has a branch hanging out over a small side path. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangman%27s_Elm "Find the arm that Extends over the slender path" The entire park (especially near that tree) is encircled by fairly heavily trafficked roads. "In summer You'll often hear a whirring sound Cars abound" Oh, I almost forgot! The park used to be a burial ground, thought to be a native American burial ground. "Speaks of Indies native The natives still speak" I haven't gotten a chance to look more closely at the arch, but I bet if this is the place some of the art would be referenced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Square_Arch I do live right near this park. So if anyone gets ideas, I can hop on over. Edit:  This looks suspiciously like the three towers in the tiny image near the top... There's also a very popular fountain that people like to go into during the summer. Pilfered Pallbearers fucked around with this message at 18:04 on May 31, 2013 |
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Howard The Dork posted:Wow! So then GH on her collar becomes Gough Street, which borders lafayette park to the east. this......  - picture of where it's supposed to be  - picture of the surrounding streets (gough street is right near by), the "white" house is actually ON gough street, it looks like.
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May 31, 2013 18:03
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Super cool, I hope this thread comes to fruition! Love the artwork in that book, too.
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FrozenVent posted:Quebec doesn't have a significant celtic heritage, at least outside of the Irish-Canadian group. According to wikipedia they started in 78.
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May 31, 2013 18:07
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Cask 3 Verse 11 Look north at the wing And dig 
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May 31, 2013 18:09
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Occams taser posted:this...... That isn't a house, it's an apartment building. There is a white house (or two) on Washington Street, though.
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May 31, 2013 18:12
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The cask is within that yellow circle, i'm almost sure of it.
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May 31, 2013 18:13
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Occams taser posted:The cask is within that yellow circle, i'm almost sure of it. Well, get a Shovel, and become internet Indiana Jones famous. Because I am going to die a little until one of us unearth at least one of these! edit: The North at the wing thing could be the small outlet on the east side of that island.
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May 31, 2013 18:16
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A little safety advice for anyone attempting to dig on public property. I believe that the charges against you would be "criminal damage to public property" provided you got caught. To minimize that chance, wear a yellow vest while you are digging. You could even bring a small tree to plant and pose as a landscaper.
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May 31, 2013 18:17
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Ok, I think cask 11 is possibly in COPLEY SQUARE If Thucydides is North of Xenophon Going by that Lemontiger's reasoning RE the names above the library  Thucydides is above Xenophon- posibly meaning North? Take five steps In the area of his direction A green tower of lights In the middle section I don't know Near Those Who pass the coliseum quote:"The Boston Coliseum, or Temple Of Peace, was a temporary building constructed solely for the purpose of hosting the National Peace Jubilee in 1869. This enormous structure stood where Trinity Church and the Copley Plaza Hotel are now located in Copley Square. quote:The John Hancock Tower, officially named Hancock Place and colloquially known as The Hancock, is a 60-story, 790-foot (241 m) skyscraper in Boston. The tower was designed by Henry N. Cobb of the firm I. M. Pei & Partners and was completed in 1976.  Just next to Cobley Square.Face the water  [i]Your back to the stairs Feel at home All the letters Are here to see  Boston Library. And Stairs. Eighteenth day Twelfth hour Lit by lamplight In truth, be free. Reciprocator posted:Eighteenth day, Twelfth hour, lit by lamplight - Paul Revere at midnight before the battle of Lexington and Concord (April 19th 1775)  Possible clues from the painting The building next to the library could pass for a stylised version of what is on that box she's holding..  OOh and look, that cuff is also suspiciously like a bit of the road next to the library  The Falcon could refer to the 'Black Falcon Cruise Terminal' which is nearby. ...there is also a small fountain and grassy area inside the library that might have something to do with it? That square at the top of the arch is bothering me.  Does that top square represent the library court? Anyway I am in the UK and have looked at all this with Google maps and stuff so I don't know....it all seems quite plausible to me. From what I've read Copley Square has had a lot of refurbishing done so the casket (if there at all) may be under concrete by now. Rondette fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 18:18
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:Well spank me silly: this is the lat and Long of Louis Armstrong park: The use of decimal notation for lat and long coordinate wasn't common before the advent of GPS and computers. Most of that stuff was written in degrees, minutes and decimal of minutes or seconds.
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May 31, 2013 18:18
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Occams taser posted:Cask 3
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Bad news, looks like Lafayette Park in SF was renovated starting last May. Apparently it's not even open to the public yet, opens next weekend.
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Kingnothing posted:If we go by the park theory.... That was an interesting idea for Verse 10...personally, I think the New York box is in Battery Park for a few reasons: one is that it was in the shadow of the World Trade Center (the grey giant), and the other is that it's next to the American Indian Museum (the reference to the Indians). Not quite sure how to place the box now that the WTC has been gone for 10 years, though. Also, if you look North from Battery Park, you will see Brooklyn (the Isle of B?). Centrist Dad fucked around with this message at 18:26 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 18:23
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It's not in the library, it's most likely in the copley square park itself.
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May 31, 2013 18:24
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M42 posted:Bad news, looks like Lafayette Park in SF was renovated starting last May. Apparently it's not even open to the public yet, opens next weekend. The way I see it you are either trying to keep the rest of us away while you spend the week digging up the park, or inviting us to participate in a "landscaper" flash-mob.
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May 31, 2013 18:30
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Hah, I wish. http://sfrecpark.org/project/lafayette-park-improvements/ This is work they did near the only "sandy" area you can see on google maps.  Oh, also, regarding Boston - I lived there since 99 and they haven't done anything to the copley square park since at least then. However, I wouldn't recommend someone go dig around and look suspicious in that area for a long time. M42 fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 18:33
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M42 posted:Hah, I wish. http://sfrecpark.org/project/lafayette-park-improvements/ So... uh... How about that verse 7 guys?
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May 31, 2013 18:36
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Rondette posted:Hella smart stuff Well this seems way more solid than my idea.
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Oyak posted:That was an interesting idea for Verse 10...personally, I think the New York box is in Battery Park for a few reasons: one is that it was in the shadow of the World Trade Center (the grey giant), and the other is that it's next to the American Indian Museum (the reference to the Indians). Not quite sure how to place the box now that the WTC has been gone for 10 years, though. Also, if you look North from Battery Park, you will see Brooklyn (the Isle of B?). While Brooklyn is on an island, it is not an island by itself. That would be Long Island. But.. There does seem to be a small island located off the coast near battery park that is part of Brooklyn.  It's called Governor's Island. The Battery Park tunnel runs right next to it. Edit: Well according to Google Maps the address is in brooklyn, but according to wikipedia it's part of Manhattan. And if it was supposed to be the WTC, wouldn't it be grey giants? Pilfered Pallbearers fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 18:45
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The Your City Sucks subforum might be a good way to spread the word around to people who are near possible sites. http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=241
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May 31, 2013 18:49
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M42 posted:
This is a really great article about the history of Copley Square which shows it had a refurb in 1984 http://landscapenotes.com/2012/08/23/copley-square/ (book was published 1982)
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Disco Nixon posted:I think the Houston one is referring to Hermann Park. Hermann is the only park with a train which matches up with the riddle. It also has a pond with a fountain that shoots water up. The zoo is nearby, and I think it used to have columns like that around the entrance, but it's gone through many remodels. I can't find a picture of it from the 80s unfortunately. I'm not sure where in the park the treasure would be, I don't know it that well, and don't live in Houston anymore so other Houston goons would have to investigate further. If you could, and take a bunch of pictures, that would be great! I'll work this afternoon on narrowing it down a bit as well. stabbity posted:I'm in Milwaukee and my running route takes me past these locations all the time. I'm totally willing to go check places out if people figure out more (I'm terrible at riddles). Pictures would be nice once we pin down the location a bit more! Raccoon Leaf posted:I live really close to Hermann Park, and I don't start my new job until Monday, so I have nothing else better to do today than to go and take some pictures. GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:Nice, I live an hour away in Beaumont and was thinking of heading up there Sunday to do some looking around. Yes! Please do it could be a really big help! The Monkey Man posted:I'm speculating that the gem in the New Orleans picture is a pearl, and that it's represented by the full moon in the clock. Are all of the gems birthstones? Also everything up to this point is in the 3rd post! It's still a bit rough and needs some condensing and I still need to cross post the mock up's from the wiki but this is definite progress. Were pretty close to CASK 1 I'd say. I'll also work on Making a to do list to help organize what we still need a bit better.
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Occams taser posted:Of all the romance retold e: The lady in the NYC picture has the Statue of Liberty's face. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 19:26 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 19:18
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Would you really need to dig? Juts get a small metal probe and push it in the place you think the treasure chest is. And if you come across some cocoanut palms leaves and the hole starts filling up with water for no good reason, STOP DIGGING BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE.
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May 31, 2013 19:31
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The casks are all made of ceramic, so metal detectors wouldn't work. I don't know if there's any technology that could detect them that didn't exist 30 years ago.
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For Cask 12, I'm not a New Yorker, but the first thing I thought of looking at the picture & reading the verse was Liberty Island. I realize the statue is green, but in certain light it can look grey and I believe this was even more true pre-restoration (1984-1986) when her color was pretty muted. The other thing that made me think Liberty island was the hem of the dress in the picture:  If that roughly corresponds to the tip of Manhattan, then the gem could roughly correspond to Liberty Island. I'm ignoring the 4th tiny raindrop in the picture for this purpose. Looking at an overhead view of the island, there is a "slender path" that leads southeast:  If you walk down that path a ways and look north, you can see Ellis island, which was also at one point named Bucking Island ("isle of B"). There's a bunch of stuff that doesn't fit with this idea (the cars especially don't make a lot of sense), but I thought there was enough to mention. One other problam with the "Isle of B" is that there are at least two other possibilities: 1. Liberty island itself used to be called Bedlam's Island. 2. There used to be an island near Ellis island called Black Tom Island that got blown up in World War I. e: one other thing I like about this theory is that you can use the actual arm of the statue as a sundial to determine when you're supposed to "take twice as many east steps as the hour." The position of the sundial, "over the slender path," and the season, "summer," are helpfully provided. fishtobaskets fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 31, 2013 |
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The Monkey Man posted:The casks are all made of ceramic, so metal detectors wouldn't work. I don't know if there's any technology that could detect them that didn't exist 30 years ago. Well if you can get a hold of a Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-penetrating_radar) you could be good to go!
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If Verse 9 is the Charleston verse, it would make a lot of sense as the Fort Sumter verse. "The first chapter, written in water". First chapter of the civil war?quote:The first chapter EDIT:  https://maps.google.com/maps?q=google+maps+fort+moultrie&ie=UTF-8&ei=0fOoUYT6H5GA9gSXl4G4CQ&ved=0CAsQ_AUoAg The area to the left of Fort Moultrie there, if you zoom in on Google Maps, there's a long stretch of picket fence, some of which is now dilapidated and unpainted but which could have been green, some of which is now painted white. It's immediately next to Fort Moultrie, which is part of the Fort Sumter national park. There's a large tree back there too but I imagine there would've been other trees there before Hugo came through, so who knows. It's on the waterfront so seems to fit a lot of details. Of course, it also makes sense for St. Augustine to fit the "first chapter" in this verse, as the oldest settlement in the US, and St. Augustine is also a port and has shell/limestone construction in plenty of places. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 31, 2013 |
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fishtobaskets posted:For Cask 12, I'm not a New Yorker, but the first thing I thought of looking at the picture & reading the verse was Liberty Island. That's pretty compelling...the buildings in the picture strongly resemble the main building on Ellis Island, too.
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From Verse 10: The natives still speak Of him of Hard word in 3 Vols This really stuck out to me as something we should recognize. A google search for this phrase produces 1 relevant result, a photo of a monument to John C. Calhoun, located in Marion Square, which is in Charleston, SC. The caption of the photo is 'Calhoun Hard word in 3 Vols' This could be a coincidence, or maybe the person who took the photo is quoting the same thing the verse is referencing. This doesn't jive at all with Verse 10 being for NY, but I thought it interesting enough to share.
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M42 posted:Re: SF, that tennis court has got to be the place, there's a huge white building there. However, unless the dude buried the cask 6 feet down in the sand, I doubt it's still there. I mean, 30 years in sand doesn't sound promising. Worse yet, the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989 did its worst damage in areas with a sandy substrate: "liquefaction" of the soil occurs and things shift. Lafayette is 9 blocks south of the Mission District, which took the worst damage in 1989. Something buried in 1983 in San Francisco sand is almost certainly not in the same place now. (Obviously, it could still be in the same sand pit, but the landmarks might well be wrong.)
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The Monkey Man posted:The casks are all made of ceramic, so metal detectors wouldn't work. I don't know if there's any technology that could detect them that didn't exist 30 years ago. I think by metal probe he meant one of those thin metal poles you can stick in the ground, like they use on mountains and stuff to figure out where to dig for buried people.
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January had to be Silmaril month 
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I am from Milwaukee and would help out. [edit] Beaten by stabbity, I guess we could make it a goonmeet
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allta posted:Cask 10: After looking at the pdf which supposedly tries to interpret the verse and picture I have to say it is 100% wrong. There are few possibilities of where to start but I think it is most likely downtown. The treasure could be in Red Arrow park across from City Hall with an identical view as shown in the picture. This is most likely although the park has changed dramatically since 1982. If the treasure lies there it is gone or buried under concrete. edit: The three stories of Mitchell - could be the Mitchell building at Water and Michigan. walk the beating of the world - could refer to Water Street, trying to think of a street with a name that would mean "beating of the world" woman with harpsichord - There is a relief of a woman on the pabst theater and a harp(not a harpsichord) ascend the 92 steps - not sure where that may be? Inside City Hall? Neutrino fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 31, 2013 |
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On Milwaukee: The 3 stories of mitchell sound like the botanical domes.. The outline of the building in the picture looks like one of the old/condemned VA buildings on the back of the property and you can definitely see the 3 botanical domes of mitchell park from there. I know that there are lots of old stone steps back there too. There is a lot of property back there, its all public access and sounds plausible since the last 2 were found in similar areas. Cast in copper.. There are a lot of copper memorial type things on that property since it's very old and protected by the government. Is anyone else familiar with the Milwaukee VA back grounds? It's been about a year since I went walking back there. [edit] Neutrino lol, we gotta brainstorm about this. "Ascend the 92 steps After climbing the grand 200 Pass the compass and reach The foot of the culvert Below the bridge Walk 100 paces" I was thinking stone steps in a park but I guess it could mean the amount of steps in city hall or something. I'm trying to think of a place in downtown where you could walk up that many stairs and find yourself in a park or public area suitable for burying something like that. I guess back in the day you could probably bury something in front of a bunch of people without looking very suspicios. davey4283 fucked around with this message at 20:32 on May 31, 2013 |
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I've been reading about the Roanoke Island verse. This might be reaching a bit, but if it is in the Elizabethan Gardens:quote:A path beckons Fort Raleigh is the site of the lost Roanoke Colony (established by John White, who drew several maps of the area). White left the colony for England and later returned to find everyone had vanished: wikipedia posted:Governor White finally reached Roanoke Island on August 18, 1590, his granddaughter's third birthday, but he found his colony had been long deserted. The buildings had collapsed and "the houses [were] taken downe".[31] The few clues about the colonists whereabouts included the letters "CRO" carved into a tree, and the word "CROATOAN" carved on a post of the fort.[31] John White posted:from thence we returned by the water side, round about the Northpoint of the Iland, vntill we came to the place where I left our Colony in the yeere 1586. In all this way we saw in the sand the print of the Saluages feet of 2 or 3 sorts troaden yt night, and as we entred vp the sandy banke vpon a tree, in the very browe thereof were curiously carued these faire Romane letters C R O: which letters presently we knew to signifie the place, where I should find the planters seated Could the tree with the carving in it be the thing that was "last touched" by the colonists before they left, and was the first thing "seen standing" by White when he returned? lfield fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 31, 2013 |
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davey4283 posted:On Milwaukee: Abugadu posted:More info on the Milwaukee one: The only thing that is correct in the pdf is the City Hall which is why I was thinking about downtown. At first I thought about the Domes which could be metaphorical stories.
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Upon further review, I'd say that that building is probably city hall. A lot of that guys breakdown sounds far fetched but the steps leading up from lincoln memorial do sound plausible.. Mother fucker I beat he means that compass sculpture off of brady st by the bridge over by lincoln memorial. When was that guy erected? http://tinyurl.com/krfy73n edit naw circa 2005 davey4283 fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 31, 2013 |
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