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Gamma Nerd posted:Deathspell Omega is really unconventional, though. Shhh, someone may come in screaming something about how they just ripped off Kvist. You are right though, but many of these bands adopted what Deathspell Omega did, particularly on SMRC, into their own music. You can really hear the influence of the Prayers and the like in bands like Dodsengel, Ondskapt etc. http://youtu.be/AripvWbg-6I?t=5m18s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fTgm7eh00 EDIT: As for the usage of orthodox, there is debate as to why people came to calling this stuff orthodox black metal, but the two main reasons are they cite such theistic Satanism, as being orthodox Satanism. The other, is many of these bands often utilize perverted Eastern Orthodox choirs and hymns, such as the choir interlude in Deathspell Omega's Carnal Malefactor. http://youtu.be/iBbTYaM52YY?t=3m55s Killsion fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Oldstench posted:Kvist and DSO sound nothing alike. Tell that to Clit Avoider, not me. He went on some big rant about how "all the good riffs from SMRC are stolen from Kvist".
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I don't care for WITTR or any sort of stuff like it, it always bored me. I also have pretty much no interest in much of the "orthodox" black metal, though it's not too stylistically consistent, I can't recall anything called "orthodox" BM that I enjoyed. I don't like DSO's later stuff, only the earliest stuff that was basically leftover Hirilorn songs. SMRC and later don't interest me, it sounds like crappy tech-death played in a black metal style. I love Hirilorn's "Legends of Evil and Eternal Death" (the band that evolved into DSO) but it seems like the creative direction changed a lot when Shaxul left and Mikko Aspa joined - I don't recall liking anything the latter has done. Two of the things that don't really satisfy me when listening to black metal are constant, mechanical blasting, and the dissonant atmosphere/production that seems to have been favored by, almost characterized a lot of French black metal of the past decade. I do love Kvist though, older black metal with the soft, mystical feel and a lot of melody is something I really enjoy. Now that I'm done talking about things that I don't like, a couple things that I have listened to lately that I enjoyed! This is the intro to Nattfog's only album. I love the anthemic, neo-medieval melody of it, it has a certain feeling that's almost like a 90s video game in how simplistic it is, but it has a sort of bouncing, marching feel to it. Vlad Tepes' "Wladamir's March" reminds me of it somewhat. For a full track from the album, check the related video "Nattfog - Mieleni Mustissa Merissa" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m3Fj1NuExE Drowning the Light's output has been very inconsistent, perhaps the only band where I regularly listen to several releases but can't listen all the way through others. They seem to thrive on EPs and splits but fall short on longer releases - the twelve full lengths all have the tendency to have some good material, but run on atmosphere alone for most of the running time. The atmospheres tend to be nice, but they simply don't stretch for long periods of time with the confines of the band's style. Their strongest releases are EPs and splits - The Weeping Moon, The Fading Rays of the Sun, and the Path of the Old Lunar Cult Empire split. The band just seems to hit their stride in ~20 minutes, capturing the mood and not stretching it thin in that time. This track from a split is one of their best IMO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vJ790JqO8 Torgeist are one of my favorite bands, despite their output amounting to two demos clocking in at under half an hour combined, I love both their slower, groovy old school black metal and how they put together short sets of six tracks that flow together very well as demos. Took me a while after hearing them to really get into their music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIM1IvBBK8
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Zodijackylite posted:I don't care for WITTR or any sort of stuff like it, it always bored me. I also have pretty much no interest in much of the "orthodox" black metal, though it's not too stylistically consistent, I can't recall anything called "orthodox" BM that I enjoyed. I don't like DSO's later stuff, only the earliest stuff that was basically leftover Hirilorn songs. SMRC and later don't interest me, it sounds like crappy tech-death played in a black metal style. I love Hirilorn's "Legends of Evil and Eternal Death" (the band that evolved into DSO) but it seems like the creative direction changed a lot when Shaxul left and Mikko Aspa joined - I don't recall liking anything the latter has done. Two of the things that don't really satisfy me when listening to black metal are constant, mechanical blasting, and the dissonant atmosphere/production that seems to have been favored by, almost characterized a lot of French black metal of the past decade. I do love Kvist though, older black metal with the soft, mystical feel and a lot of melody is something I really enjoy. I wouldn't really call most orthodox stuff "tech-death", sure Fas and Paralcetus could be argued as such, but the rest of the scene is pretty far from it unless adding in dissonant arpeggios somehow equals technicality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPcUUzQfWjY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsiH3wiE3FQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xjGmcFePl4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I5PcOr4a40 Personally though I love that dark, dissonant, occult, and mystical atmosphere of these bands so I suppose if that isn't your thing, then that is definitely a strike against such things. As for Drowning the Light, it humors me that a comment I left on the youtube video for Through the Noose of Existence years ago has been upvoted a ton. Never really listened to them much, but I did enjoy that album.
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nomapple posted:I'm enjoying the increased activity in the thread, even if it is a lame argument over whether "blackgaze" is good or not. (I loving hate that term, but I like a lot of the music associated with it, like I said, Deafheaven converted me with Sunbather. I read a quote in a terrible book that went something to the effect of "black metal was the answer and antithesis to the mainstream metal poo poo being pumped out (in the 90's)," and it really stuck. I'm not sure if I was drawn to the sound that it referenced because of that statement, or if if that statement described the sound that I like, but I'm confident in saying that it really doesn't really matter. I discovered a world of music that I'd never experienced, and it turned out to be my favorite. As far as drawing the line, as much as I try to be open minded to the changes, I still find myself coming back to those bands that produce the raw, violent, hateful records. Mgla, Craft, Szron, Sad, Aosoth, all are relatively recent groups that have all got major elements of that original interest. Certainly some more than others, but they've all stuck out to me as "honoring that craft." Maybe my taste is poo poo, but like I said, I think black metal is at its best with that. Also I'd recommend giving that Sad record another spin, because it's really pretty good. e: also give Svartsyn a go if you haven't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9InLuRqOsNA Not Very Metal fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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I'll admit to being really into "blackgaze" (hate that word) stuff like Alcest, Amesoeurs, Lantlos, WITTR etc, but Deafheaven isn't doing much for me.  What I'm really jonesing for is the new Raspberry Bulbs LP, Deformed Worship. Nature Tries Again is one of my favourite albums of the past few years and I'm dying for more. It's the side-project of one of the members of Bone Awl and has a similar kind of vibe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf0EnvcpjGM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERT1bN2rUrA Loving the new Akitsa/Ash Pool split. Ash Pool have generally been kind of middling to me but the new tracks are very solid. Akitsa deliver the goods as always. XMD 5a fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Killsion posted:Tell that to Clit Avoider, not me. He went on some big rant about how "all the good riffs from SMRC are stolen from Kvist". Malign, actually. edit: I found out a while ago that Gorgoroth re-recorded their classic Under the Sign of Hell album. And boy did they gently caress it up. How do you go from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpdhPivrg2E To this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyElZZlfiaw funeral fag fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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m-o-o-n posted:Malign, actually. And Kvist! I've pointed it out enough times. It's obvious to anyone who isn't deaf where the riffs come from. [edit] Unrelated, but listen to Witches hammer. The Clit Avoider fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Any genres can be mixed if done right. More of a reinterpretation than a genre mix but this is basically Vesti La Glubba and I've heard Anaal Nathrakh described as "Philosophically, Blackened, Industrial-Deathgrind" several times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJGoDsiRzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKQ048-O4vs Two embedded videos is enough but everyone should listen to this at least once in their lives. BobbaFettBobbaFettVaderAndBobbaFett m-o-o-n posted:This is poo poo and you should be ashamed Close, the album is titled Big Fat Box of poo poo and features a "dog" as the drummer. Were you expecting a barbershop quartet? Actually they do that on a couple of other tracks in between the Cher style vocoder and taking the piss out of Danzig, Hetfield and about fifty others. Verizian fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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I checked out Darkestrah as per the other metal chat and I really like it, but after catching up on this thread I'm worried that it may be too gazey.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evoG7eKH4j4 Is this black metal enough? I need to be validated 
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Verizian posted:Two embedded videos is enough but everyone should listen to this at least once in their lives. This is poo poo and you should be ashamed
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m-o-o-n posted:edit: I found out a while ago that Gorgoroth re-recorded their classic Under the Sign of Hell album. And boy did they gently caress it up. Both sound pretty awful, but humorously the key factor in both of their awfulness is the drumming. The drums in the original sound like farts, but the drums on the second sound like triggered crap too high in the mix.
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I thought it was going to be super dumb but that's actually really loving cool somehow. I'm going to check out all their work.
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It kind of bums me out that the scene is so lovely about blackgaze and all that, because that stuff is my favorite right now. I swear that black metal has more grognards than any other music scene. My taste in black metal has gone through some pretty strange changes over the years. I started off listening to Cradle Of Filth in high school as a sophomore and thinking that was black metal, until my friend who was into the legitimate stuff showed me poo poo like Satanic Warmaster, Anaal Nathrakh, and the first two Deathspell Omega albums. I ended up cycling through stuff as it came out for a long time, and eventually burned out on it and moved on from metal generally to check all the other genres of music for a while. It's funny though. Eventually, I came back to it, and I find that the more progressive/experimental black metal bands are usually the most interesting ones to me. Deathspell Omega has been my favorite since they released SMRC, and that whole trilogy of albums and EPs is in my opinion pretty much the pinnacle of what I consider to be black metal. At the same time, living in Olympia and going to college there brought an appreciation for the experimental, and Wolves In The Throne Room was introduced to me, and then Alcest, Lantlôs, and that whole branch off the beaten path came into things and I picked it all back up again. I still appreciate more traditional black metal sometimes, but I guess the truth is I've always appreciated experimenting in art across all forms, so while I appreciate the roots of things, I like to see them grow and change and find new ways to relate to modern life. Part of the reason I think "Sunbather" is such a great record is because it seems like it's one of the first albums that struck me as being genuine American black metal, in the sense of how it relates to the culture. I remember reading Lords Of Chaos, and learning about how all of these Norwegian kids couldn't stand how Christianity came in and destroyed the culture of their country, so they basically made punk-as-gently caress satanic metal, and made war against it. They burned down some churches, killed some people, each other, and even in some cases themselves. They definitely left their mark. Then I thought about "Sunbather", and how the whole thing is basically a criticism of the American dream as it has existed for the last few decades, and I think it seeks to make war on American culture in a similar(albeit less literal) sense, by directly attacking and negating the value of an ideal central to the society. I think most artistic movements hit their peak when they become relevant to the cultures they spring from, rather than endlessly seeking to imitate tradition. It seems ironic to me that most people who are fans of black metal are incredibly conservative with its image and sound, when the whole reason it exists in the first place was an act of rebellion and destruction against societal norms. I guess that's what connected with me the first time I listened to it. I've always loved punk, and to me, black metal has always been punk's occult fraternal twin. Anyways, I totally understand that everybody has their tastes and likes what they like, and I'm no different. I loving hate NSBM and I think that unblack is the most ridiculously farcical and repulsive thing in the history of black metal. I even have the unpopular opinion that Liturgy writes pretty good music("Generation" sounds like Lightning Bolt had sex with Russian Circles and the offspring crawled out from a circle of salt.), but I also think their manifesto is pretty hilariously wack and pretentious. I'll have to check out some of those more traditional albums people have been throwing around. My friend who introduced me to this whole thing is in love with MGLA, but I haven't really been able to get into the album the same way. I'll have to give it a few more listens, and look into Sad and Aosoth. Also, Botanist loving owns. 
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apophenium posted:Some of Botanist's early stuff sounds a little too much like a weird goblin chucking percussion instruments down some stairs, but I'm really into the Mandragora album. Who knew plants could be so metal? On a tangentially related note, I listened to "Joy" by Westering yesterday, and even I didn't know how the gently caress to deal with it.
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:I checked out Darkestrah as per the other metal chat and I really like it, but after catching up on this thread I'm worried that it may be too gazey. Darkestrah is amazing and let nobody else tell you otherwise. The French make good black metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bjLwHVlwO8
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:I checked out Darkestrah as per the other metal chat and I really like it, but after catching up on this thread I'm worried that it may be too gazey. Get out of here you hipster emo scenester shoeologist. This argument is stupid. The most black metal thing I've heard lately has banjos and tin whistles and violins and such. There's room for Alcest, WitTR, Immortal, and Burzum in black metal. I thought we were past black metal being limited to Scandinavians holed up in remote snow covered forests by now.
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Nails posted:My friend who introduced me to this whole thing is in love with MGLA, but I haven't really been able to get into the album the same way. I'll have to give it a few more listens, and look into Sad and Aosoth. I agree with you on pretty much everything minus Liturgy. Liturgy just strikes me as the least sincere music I have ever heard. Just no soul at all. As for Mgla, definitely try their newest one, With Hearts Toward None. At first listen, it didn't do much, but now I can't get enough of it. I linked the first track earlier in my orthodox post towards the top of the page. Aosoth is well worth a listen as well, especially Ashes of Angels, and the new album is still growing on me. EDIT: Anyone like Svarti Loghin? Blew my mind when I realized Empty World was actually a Beatles song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNidSM0lg4 Killsion fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Personally can't stand Botanist, and Liturgy are awful. With Hearts Toward None though... that album is beyond good. It didn't make a particularly massive first impressions, but I've listened to it 30 or 40 times all the way through now and I keep going back for more. Also, new Aosoth is great. I think it sags a little in the middle, but I have so much time for the opening track. Like some of the riffs on WHTN, Aosoth understand how to put some real weight behind their black metal, they use more of a low end than a lot of black metal bands do, without it becoming murky black/death.
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Not sure if Melechesh are black metal or blackened death metal, but I'm seeing them soon. Really looking forward to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LIC9vZsD5A This album holy poo poo
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Anybody who thinks WIITR is a terrible band clearly hasn't heard "I Will Lay Down My Bones Among The Rocks And Roots"  . I can totally understand why Liturgy wouldn't be anyone's thing. I think the only thing that I don't like about them besides how full of themselves they are is all the stupid chanting stuff that started showing up on the newest album. And then they did that cover of "Prayer" by Shellac that is just the lead singer doing some stupid chanting vocal loop bullshit, and I lost a ton of respect for them. I think they might even technically be an unblack band, and that's what makes them especially strange to me. I tried giving "With Hearts Towards None" a listen a while ago, and that's actually the one I couldn't get into. I'm going to give it another listen though, because I've been getting way back into black metal, and I'd like to find some new more traditional poo poo to listen to along with all of the atmospheric/blackgaze stuff that I've been getting into lately. One of the last bands I got into the last time I was poking around and checking stuff out was Dragged Into Sunlight. Anybody into them? I know they're technically blackened death, and I actually usually hate death metal now, but those dudes are pretty awesome.
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Nails posted:Anybody who thinks WITTR is a terrible band clearly hasn't heard "I Will Lay Down My Bones Among The Rocks And Roots" Yeah, Two Hunters is an amazing album. I didn't "get" WitTR until I went out in the Cascade foothills and listened to that album in its entirety. It was a pretty incredible experience. Their music is definitely meant to be meditative and ambient rather than energetic and mosh-y (in fact I know WitTR hate it when people mosh at their shows). I think that A Looming Resonance and Face in a Night Time Mirror are better tracks but I Will Lay My Bones down is also amazing.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Yeah, Two Hunters is an amazing album. I didn't "get" WitTR until I went out in the Cascade foothills and listened to that album in its entirety. It was a pretty incredible experience. I adore A Looming Resonance, simply a gorgeous piece of music, but the joke that it is music from Dawson's Creek I find both hilarious, and utterly true. joke posted:The first track sounds like the type of emotional soft rock that they would use on the soundtrack to an episode of Dawson's Creek, where they are all having a good time at the school prom, but the scene is being inter-cut with another scene which shows a much-loved character being hit by a car/train/burger van, and dying slowly at the side of the road.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Yeah, Two Hunters is an amazing album. I didn't "get" WitTR until I went out in the Cascade foothills and listened to that album in its entirety. It was a pretty incredible experience. I've lived in the PNW my whole life, around and in these types of settings as long as I can remember, and I think that's part of why I love them so much too. I feel like the PNW should pretty much be America's Norway, and I wish a larger scene would gain more of a foothold here so I could go to more black metal shows. For all I know, there's probably a ton and I just have no idea where they are. I'm also totally down with WIITR's policy, because I'm too old for moshing and I loving hate it anyways. Also, Killison, that might be the funniest thing I've ever heard anybody say about WIITR, and now I'm scared to listen to that album, because I just know I'm going to remember that and burst out laughing or something.
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Nails posted:I've lived in the PNW my whole life, around and in these types of settings as long as I can remember, and I think that's part of why I love them so much too. I feel like the PNW should pretty much be America's Norway, and I wish a larger scene would gain more of a foothold here so I could go to more black metal shows. For all I know, there's probably a ton and I just have no idea where they are. I'm also totally down with WIITR's policy, because I'm too old for moshing and I loving hate it anyways. Cascadian black metal is a huge new thing, dude. Velvet Cacoon, Ash Borer, Skagos, Fell Voices, Alda, Agalloch of course... Altar of Plagues also cover similar themes in White Tomb and Mammal (their newest album is really weird and not like the others at all). There's a tag for it on last.fm Gamma Nerd fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jun 2, 2013 |
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Gamma Nerd posted:Cascadian black metal is a huge new thing, dude. Velvet Cacoon, Ash Borer, Skagos, Fell Voices, Alda, Agalloch of course... Altar of Plagues also cover similar themes in White Tomb and Mammal (their newest album is really weird and not like the others at all). I don't know if I'd lump Velvet Cocoon in with this stuff, but Alda is fantastic. Also don't forget Panopticon. Everyone loves Kentucky. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUtCa13V38
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Gamma Nerd posted:Cascadian black metal is a huge new thing, dude. Velvet Cacoon, Ash Borer, Skagos, Fell Voices, Alda, Agalloch of course... Altar of Plagues also cover similar themes in White Tomb and Mammal (their newest album is really weird and not like the others at all). Haha, I listen to all of those bands, except Skagos, Fell Voices, and Alda. I'll be checking them out soon though. I kind of thought that it was becoming a bigger thing, but I didn't realize it was starting to organize and come together. That is awesome. I'll be looking through that last.fm tag too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
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Alda's Tahoma is a pretty drat good Cascadian black metal imo. First song is probably my favorite off the album. That riff that kicks in around the 4 minute mark is loving awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_9jJAWfH0 Sorry to steer the conversation back to blackgaze, but has anyone heard Entropia - Vesper yet? I thought I was kinda burnt out on shoegaze/black metal hybrids but this album is way more black metal than it is shoegazey. Definitely one of the better examples of the genre that I've heard yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wm18M9bbg8
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Smekerman posted:Alda's Tahoma is a pretty drat good Cascadian black metal imo. First song is probably my favorite off the album. That riff that kicks in around the 4 minute mark is loving awesome. Absolutely agreed on Tahoma, definitely one of the best records in the genre. I recently picked up Entropia - Vesper actually but I am yet to listen to to it, sounded good though from what I sampled. I'll be sure to listen to it in the morning and give my thoughts. Also who cares if we talk about this kind of music, it is still valid for the thread and clearly we enjoy it.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Not sure if Melechesh are black metal or blackened death metal, but I'm seeing them soon. Really looking forward to it. Their whole discography is drat good. Also looking forward to seeing them soon!
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I've been on a black metal kick lately and I listened to Klabautamann - Merkur again. Goddamn, what an album imo: 70's prog aesthetics mixed with blistering black metal, mixed with some pretty groovy riffs throughout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm6fTBfhGfs
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Nails posted:I can totally understand why Liturgy wouldn't be anyone's thing. I think the only thing that I don't like about them besides how full of themselves they are is all the stupid chanting stuff that started showing up on the newest album. And then they did that cover of "Prayer" by Shellac that is just the lead singer doing some stupid chanting vocal loop bullshit, and I lost a ton of respect for them. I think they might even technically be an unblack band, and that's what makes them especially strange to me. Renihilation is, in my opinion, quite a good album. Besides, I think Liturgy are so reviled because Hunter, who is indisputably a peddler of hipster nonsense, is very outspoken about this nonsense and is quite visibly un-black metal. If it wasn't for "transcendental black metal" Liturgy would fly under the radar. It's funny to me though that Liturgy is singled out for this given the pretentious poo poo uttered by black metal standards. Of course, this doesn't defend the poo poo Hunter says or his music (Aesthethica is an extremely tedious album), but it says something to me that the black metal community is OK with pretentious nonsense as long as it's the right kind of pretentious nonsense.
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So I'm listening to Entropia - Vesper, and to call this "blackaze" is frankly a gross overstatement. There is a lot of stuff going on in this record with influences from all over. Definitely also has a strong atmospheric sludge, and post-rock influence as well, particularly on the title track. This is fantastic. Check it out folks.
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Nails posted:Haha, I listen to all of those bands, except Skagos, Fell Voices, and Alda. I'll be checking them out soon though. I kind of thought that it was becoming a bigger thing, but I didn't realize it was starting to organize and come together. That is awesome. I'll be looking through that last.fm tag too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. In this vein, I really like Addaura too.
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