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Bishop posted:I know it's all fantasy land, but from a non pilot's perspective they do seem to include a lot of little details. It would be odd for them to mess up something as simple as killing an engine then using it again. Oh well it was a good scene and thanks for all the answers! AFAIK, Yes. A lot of aircraft terminology is imported from naval and maritime navigation (since an airplane is an "air ship"). Thus, the use of Nautical Miles, Knots, Port, Starboard, Fore, Aft, Rudder, Captain, First Officer, etc.
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Bishop posted:I know it's all fantasy land, but from a non pilot's perspective they do seem to include a lot of little details. It would be odd for them to mess up something as simple as killing an engine then using it again. Oh well it was a good scene and thanks for all the answers! It varies but both are correct. When you're talking about left and right though, it's always pilot's left and right, regardless of your orientation (unless you're a flight attendant, in which case it could mean anything). Engines are usually numbered, as are wheels. You could use left and right on a twin engine but anything more than 2 and numbers make things much clearer.
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Don't think I have used port or starboard ever in real life other than in reading old rear end manuals. Left/Right, N/S/E/W or the points on the clock. I have no experience in Africa or the Middle East so maybe they do.
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Jun 1, 2013 15:02
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Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4.
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Jun 1, 2013 16:32
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What about for trijets? Is it 1, 2, 3, or 1, 3, 2?
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1, 2, 3.
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I wonder how they numbered them on the B-36...
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NightGyr posted:I wonder how they numbered them on the B-36... Recips are 1-6 and the jets are 1-4, left to right, aft looking forward.
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Captain Postal posted:I've always wondered - in circumstances like that where an aircraft on an airline you're about to fly on crashes, how many people just look around, look at the terminal door, and quietly back away and not fly? Is the airline even allowed to fly without a safety audit? Well, even if I didn't WANT to get on an Alaska Airlines plane at the time, my only other option short of chartering a plane (hah) would've been to somehow get up to Bellingham and take a 4-day ferry ride. Alaska Airlines is and for a long time has been the only major carrier to service SEAK, so alternatives are quite limited. I remember when Delta flew to JNU, and MarkAir's short-lived existence, but those were back in the days when we could greet incoming flights at the gate. Otherwise it's been Alaska Airlines only. Advent Horizon posted:You still in J-town? Nope, been in Portland since 2004. I did used to work at Aero Services, though and have fueled the Ward Air Beaver you posted from your wedding: 
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SCOTLAND posted:Don't think I have used port or starboard ever in real life other than in reading old rear end manuals. Left/Right, N/S/E/W or the points on the clock. I have no experience in Africa or the Middle East so maybe they do. For instance in the scene in "flight" I was briefly confused about which engine the co-pilot was shutting down because he was using "left" and "right" and they were inverted, whereas port and starboard never change. If everyone knows "left" always means "to the left of the pilot" that makes things simpler. Also just to give some advice back for you guys answering my questions: don't try to invert a boat it doesn't work out very well. Bishop fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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On a two-engine jet, left and right are pretty hard to get mixed up. On a 3 or more engine jet, it's #1 engine or #2 to avoid any confusion. The same holds true on a two-engine jet. #1 is always number one or the left engine. poo poo is static.
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holocaust bloopers posted:On a two-engine jet, left and right are pretty hard to get mixed up.  
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What the... OK yeah that one may need some special terms. "MY rear end ENGINE HAS FAILED But THE TAINT ONE FEELS OK SO FAR"
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Jun 2, 2013 01:48
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"Engines 1, 2, 3, 4 are all operating normally. The starboard ear engine isn't throttling properly."
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Is the compression/body lift you get from side-by-side engines enough better to be worth putting up with the asymmetry of thrust on engine-outs? Or is there some other reason that idea didn't catch on?
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Slo-Tek posted:Is the compression/body lift you get from side-by-side engines enough better to be worth putting up with the asymmetry of thrust on engine-outs? Or is there some other reason that idea didn't catch on? If your engines are close enough together (i.e. F/A-18 or F-4) the asymmetric loads are minimal. As far as I can think most twin engine fighters have their engines relatively close together beside the F-14. Edit: So I don't double-post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjtSXJGxMNE Previa_fun fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jun 2, 2013 |
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Previa_fun posted:If your engines are close enough together (i.e. F/A-18 or F-4) the asymmetric loads are minimal. SU 27?
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Heard that F-18 pilots actually have to get additional training to get hired on with airlines after their service. They have shitloads of turbine time, but the centerline thrust doesn't count for proper multi engine experience, so they need some additional hours getting used to flying a plane that goes to poo poo when it loses an engine. Is that fact or just bullshit I picked up somewhere?
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The Ferret King posted:Heard that F-18 pilots actually have to get additional training to get hired on with airlines after their service. They have shitloads of turbine time, but the centerline thrust doesn't count for proper multi engine experience, so they need some additional hours getting used to flying a plane that goes to poo poo when it loses an engine. Is that fact or just bullshit I picked up somewhere? Nope. F-4s, F-15s, F-18s, all like this. I was told that the T-38 guys don't even get a multiengine rating, since a single engine loss in that platform doesn't significantly affect flight performance.
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Jonny Nox posted:
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The Ferret King posted:Heard that F-18 pilots actually have to get additional training to get hired on with airlines after their service. They have shitloads of turbine time, but the centerline thrust doesn't count for proper multi engine experience, so they need some additional hours getting used to flying a plane that goes to poo poo when it loses an engine. Is that fact or just bullshit I picked up somewhere? In the training command, flying T-6B, a lot of the jet pilots take a few weeks to catch on because they aren't used to using rudder in almost any application, and the T-6B happens to be a mega engine trim whore. So I'd believe what you said completely. Centerline thrust just sounds like it makes everything so easy.
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Well the entire point behind modern fighter aircraft is that they're incredibly simple to fly so you can gently caress around with weapons and keeping up with the guy in the other jet or missile or whatever trying to kill you.
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I would have thought the entire point behind fighters is to be able to kill other airplanes
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"Fighters" includes strike aircraft such as the A-10 and multi-role aircraft such as literally everything but the F-15A-D and the F-22 (though those technically can carry bombs I think?)
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hobbesmaster posted:"Fighters" includes strike aircraft such as the A-10 and multi-role aircraft such as literally everything but the F-15A-D and the F-22 (though those technically can carry bombs I think?) I think by definition the "A" in A-10 means its not an "F" Fighter.
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Jesus christ you guys.
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kill me now posted:I think by definition the "A" in A-10 means its not an "F" Fighter. From what I understand the A-10 is a "fighter" for most purposes in the USAF. ie from a training and operational standpoint
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deck posted:Jesus christ you guys. Pretend I empty quoted this.
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hobbesmaster posted:From what I understand the A-10 is a "fighter" for most purposes in the USAF. ie from a training and operational standpoint Truth. Mission-wise, it would generally be considered a strike aircraft. F-16s and F-15Es could be considered strike or fighter, depending on a number of variables.
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deck posted:Jesus christ you guys. Hey man airplanes is serious business.
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I like planes, and I've followed this thread for little over a month now. And I'm still lost. Anyone have any recommendations on sites that offer explanations to the robust words and plane models you all throw around. Anything other than ye old Wikipedia.
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http://www.designation-systems.net/ is pretty great. Don't let the name fool you, they've got a comprehensive directory of missiles too.
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The CAF was close by all weekend, I was on the road for business and didn't get home until late Saturday night. I didn't even hear about this until Yesterday. So I hopped on my bike and headed up there. You should be able to get everything in huge size, if there's a problem with the pics let me know and I will try to fix them.         Naw, that can't be it. Oh, what's this, something shiny!  have some more Fort Porn.              I like data plates.         I might die regretting that I didn't take a ride today, but I would have had to wait for four hours, and the last seat was in the nose, at 825 bucks. I had the cash in my pocket too. I hope that I will get another chance to ride in a Fort. That Aircraft is heartbreakingly beautiful. I'm glad I had the chance to go see her today. All that was there was the B-17G, a P-51 (?), an old Bobcat, An Air Force marked Cessna 310, the gooney bird and that's about it. Hope you enjoyed.
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Most definitely! The CAF is working their way up to Reading, PA. Going up in FIFI on Saturday.  Hope my Contour camera arrives soon. I will be torn between shooting stills with the Nikon & just enjoying the ride (with ear protection).Also, please note that the Geneseo, NY show next month will be hosting the only flying (atm) Mosquito as well as a Lancaster. Hope to see some of you there. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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MrChips posted:Recips are 1-6 and the jets are 1-4, left to right, aft looking forward. I thought they were designated as "On Fire", "Smoking", and "Any second now"... naturally left to right.
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Blistex posted:I thought they were designated as "On Fire", "Smoking", and "Any second now"... naturally left to right. More like, two turning, two burning, two smoking, two joking and two unaccounted for. Also: 
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Going back to the fighter/strike designation thing, it's a shame the US dropped the P for pursuit. It's such a  term, it was beautiful.Also, I spotted this at a car show I was at a few weeks ago. AI cross thread goodness.    
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Used Sunlight sales posted:The CAF was close by all weekend, I was on the road for business and didn't get home until late Saturday night. I didn't even hear about this until Yesterday. Those fasteners are not indexed properly!  time to take my pill
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Apparently China has a response to the upcoming Disney movie, Planes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFCt_HKnuQE&feature=player_embedded Subtle
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