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Petey posted:(sorry for tripleposting) Wow, what a guy. It's too bad the rest of this guy's family is estranged from him. Things could have gone a lot differently if the two brothers had actually listened to their uncle instead of taking the path they did.
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It's the whole empathy vs sympathy situation again. Is it sad that a seemingly normal kid was pulled into a life so hosed up? Yeah, definitely. I wish he would have gone in a better more peaceful direction in his life. That doesn't make anything okay though. You have to be held responsible for your actions regardless of how sad your story is. It has to be very, very clear that there are no excuses for bombing innocent people or doing similar acts in the name of anything. So many other good people deserve that too often misplaced sympathy.
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demonachizer posted:Whenever someone says things like his brother pushed him into it etc. I like to point out that he knowingly and willingly set a bomb feet away from a family including their two young children. He had choices left to himself from start to finish and he chose to murder children knowingly. That's even ignoring that one photo of him with the bag behind the kid. ashgromnies posted:Not to mention that his brother got killed... in a shoot out with the police... and people all around the world were watching this happen. Been a few weeks since I last checked, but is the evidence still that he ran over his brother? Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 16:50 on May 31, 2013 |
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May 31, 2013 16:47
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Handsome Ralph posted:Things could have gone a lot differently if the two brothers had actually listened to their uncle instead of taking the path they did. The path of: BEING LOSERS!
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May 31, 2013 18:22
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Speaking of which, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an rear end in a top hat at the gym before the Boston bombing and Dzhokhar couldn't keep his pants up.quote:Tamerlan Tsarnaev trained at Wai Kru several times a month, for free, as a professional courtesy to the nationally ranked Golden Gloves boxer. His younger brother Dzhokhar rarely came, showing up just "two or three times" in roughly two years, Michael said. http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/justice/boston-brothers-gym/index.html The video is kind of amusing. I'm all for showing these two as the selfish dicks and embarrassingly inept loving clowns they are\were, instead of Glorious Islamic Martyrs.
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Jun 1, 2013 15:19
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The NOVA episode about how technology made the Boston bomber manhunt possible is up for streaming now. I haven't watched it yet but I'm planning when I wake up. It looks pretty interesting, and I didn't get to see it when it aired.
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For something positive: I was helping a friend move into an apartment in Jamaica Plain, and one of her new roommates is training for the marathon next year - something she otherwise wouldn't have done if not for the bombings. (and based on my first impression of her, she seems to be someone who follows through) Is anyone else doing this, or know similar people? Is the marathon going to be HUGE next year?
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Jun 2, 2013 11:25
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Presumably a little bit more runners, a ton of more audience and millions of reporters and security.
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Jun 2, 2013 11:42
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You have to qualify for the Boston Marathon by getting a fast time in another marathon first. And if too many people qualify for the number of spots, they take the fastest first. I think it is going to be very hard to get into next years boston marathon.
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Jun 2, 2013 17:10
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:For something positive: I was helping a friend move into an apartment in Jamaica Plain, and one of her new roommates is training for the marathon next year - something she otherwise wouldn't have done if not for the bombings. (and based on my first impression of her, she seems to be someone who follows through) Is anyone else doing this, or know similar people? Is the marathon going to be HUGE next year? If she only started training for marathons now she won't be getting in 100%. The qualification requirement for next year is going to be brutal.
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Yeah but don't they still let kind of anyone run behind the "real" runners? Like without numbers and stuff?
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Elendil004 posted:Yeah but don't they still let kind of anyone run behind the "real" runners? Like without numbers and stuff? No, you dont want a bunch of slow losers spending 12 hours doing a marathon. The last half marathon I was at had a bus that picked up all the slow runners after 3 hours. Dont get me wrong you can run the course whatever but expect to end up in the back of an ambulance after getting hit by a car when the roads have been reopened.
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:No, you dont want a bunch of slow losers spending 12 hours doing a marathon. The last half marathon I was at had a bus that picked up all the slow runners after 3 hours. yeah but there are people who can keep a pace to finish before reopening who don't run with numbers, right? I mean there used to be.
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Elendil004 posted:yeah but there are people who can keep a pace to finish before reopening who don't run with numbers, right? I mean there used to be. I have not been to a half marathon or marathon where the runners did not have numbers. You dont want people running without any identification on them or having stumped up the cash to be able to run in the race.
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If this is like most other marathons, I am pretty sure there is a second set of people at the end who run for charities and that sort of thing. And I believe they have a later starting time. I am pretty sure most of the charity runners were the people who were crossing the finish line when the bombs went off. Which means most of the people in the crowd were there for charity runners. Which makes the timing of the bombings that much more insidious if you think about it. Those spots are typically limited as well. Otherwise there would just be too many entries and the marathon would last for days instead for a few hours.
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They're not only limited, you need to raise thousands of dollars for charity, you can't just say "I'm running for cancer," and get in.
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xie posted:They're not only limited, you need to raise thousands of dollars for charity, you can't just say "I'm running for cancer," and get in. I sure hope not, no one should support those jerks who run for cancer
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AFAIK there are three ways to run for the Boston marathon: 1) qualify based on time (lol) 2) raise many thousands of dollars, get a sponsored ticket 3) bandit (just join in and start running, but you don't have a number or access to the support infrastructure outside dire medical emergency response) However, I wouldn't be surprised if they did something next year to help accommodate the people who might want to run.
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Petey posted:AFAIK there are three ways to run for the Boston marathon: Hopefully they don't preemptively taser anyone running without identification, or shoot them with rubber bullets.
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Jun 2, 2013 20:55
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Jack Gladney posted:Hopefully they preemptively taser anyone running without identification, or shoot them with rubber bullets. Fixed that for you. Next year's marathon could prove to be quite entertaining indeed. edit: It's a joke.
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Also the "bandit" runners are generally frowned upon because they are taking limited resources (water, towels, etc) from people who legitimately qualified. It sounds snobby at first but when you think about it, running without qualifications is totally rude... It's running. You can literally do it anywhere anytime as long as you're outside and not on the freeway. Why go out of your way to get in the way of a serious sporting event? Would you start playing baseball in Fenway during a Sox games?
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Not just legitimately qualified, legitimately paid a decent amount of money that usually goes to charities.
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Bandit runners have a tradition in Boston unlike other marathons. As little as 10 years ago they were mostly tolerated but nobody wants to officially acknowledge them. In the last few years they have cracked down a lot and I don't think it's realistic to bandit the course now unless you're skipping large parts of it.
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Petey posted:AFAIK there are three ways to run for the Boston marathon: This is true. I had 3 friends running in it who got in on fundraising. It's somewhere right around $5k USD sponsored to get a ticket.
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Limp Wristed Limey posted:The last half marathon I was at had a bus that picked up all the slow runners after 3 hours. In bike racing, that was called the "sag wagon" and it followed the race to collect stragglers and folks whose bike broke down and they couldn't fix it in time.
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It would be nice if they had some option for people who want to show support for the Marathon, but have no chance of qualifying. Normally that would be some shorter distance race, but since the Boston course is one way 26.2 miles, it's not very easy to chop it up like you can do with a loop.
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hitension posted:Also the "bandit" runners are generally frowned upon because they are taking limited resources (water, towels, etc) from people who legitimately qualified. It sounds snobby at first but when you think about it, running without qualifications is totally rude... Your argument applies against marathons in general.
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Godholio posted:Your argument applies against marathons in general. It's an argument which - up until this year, obviously - a lot of people made against the Boston Marathon itself. It forces a bunch of office closures in the middle of a typical work-week, and not that many people watch it. Things will be different next year I'm sure.
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CatsOnTheInternet posted:It's an argument which - up until this year, obviously - a lot of people made against the Boston Marathon itself. It forces a bunch of office closures in the middle of a typical work-week, and not that many people watch it. Semantics, but it's not the "middle" of the work week, is it? My understanding is it's always on Patriots Day, which falls on Monday. So it's a 3-day weekend.
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Retail Slave posted:Semantics, but it's not the "middle" of the work week, is it? My understanding is it's always on Patriots Day, which falls on Monday. So it's a 3-day weekend. Schools and state offices are closed, sure. But quite a few (if not the majority of) Boston-area businesses are open on Patriot's Day - unless they're located along Boylston in which case they don't really have a choice. Marathon Monday is usually one of the worst commutes of the year.
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CatsOnTheInternet posted:Schools and state offices are closed, sure. But quite a few (if not the majority of) Boston-area businesses are open on Patriot's Day - unless they're located along Boylston in which case they don't really have a choice. Marathon Monday is usually one of the worst commutes of the year. Coming from West of Boston traffic is never bad. It only is affected right around the route.
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So as fallout from the fire department's response to the bombing and the fire chief's lack of response (and overall not being liked by his deputies), the chief of the Boston Fire Department is resigning http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...lNjI/story.html Also, people are still scared shitless around unmanned pressure cookers http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/03/abandoned-pressure-cooker-leads-to-evacuation-of-saugus-mall/
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Godholio posted:Your argument applies against marathons in general. Only in the most pedantic way possible. People running outside by themselves doesn't tend to bring in 10M + per year in charity.
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312 posted:Only in the most pedantic way possible. People running outside by themselves doesn't tend to bring in 10M + per year in charity. Yeah, but lost productivity might run $10 million.
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Eh, a bad storm causes just as much lost productivity and no money for charity.
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smackfu posted:Eh, a bad storm causes just as much lost productivity and no money for charity. A bad storm doesn't consciously choose to roam through a major economic hub every year on a weekday. I enjoy the marathon, but it does annoy the bejeezus out of people who have to go to work on that day. demonachizer posted:Coming from West of Boston traffic is never bad. It only is affected right around the route. Which is to say, almost every highway south of Boston. (495, 95, 93... oh, and it crosses Route 9.) The pike's different, sure, but not exemplary of the traffic CatsOnTheInternet fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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CatsOnTheInternet posted:The pike's different, sure, but not exemplary of the traffic Yeah, this. I live on Rt. 9 in Framingham, whole town south of me (with the exception of main routes to the Hospital via Union Ave and Rt 126/Concord St) pretty much shuts down for the marathon. I work at the Trader Joe's on Rt. 9 and because we're so slow on Marathon Monday I can easily get the day off. I did this year and I would have been on the route cheering the runners on at 135 and 126 if I hadn't been feeling like poo poo that day.
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Kilonum posted:Yeah, this. I live on Rt. 9 in Framingham, whole town south of me (with the exception of main routes to the Hospital via Union Ave and Rt 126/Concord St) pretty much shuts down for the marathon. I work at the Trader Joe's on Rt. 9 and because we're so slow on Marathon Monday I can easily get the day off. I did this year and I would have been on the route cheering the runners on at 135 and 126 if I hadn't been feeling like poo poo that day. I'm sure sales in the week before and after the marathon more than make up for a slow marathon Monday with the extra 25,000 people coming to town for no other reason than the marathon. Your hotels are also stupid expensive that weekend -- my bill was $900 for 3 nights which is low for anything in the city. It's not even a question: Boston sees a massive economic benefit from the marathon.
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Andy Dufresne posted:I'm sure sales in the week before and after the marathon more than make up for a slow marathon Monday with the extra 25,000 people coming to town for no other reason than the marathon. Your hotels are also stupid expensive that weekend -- my bill was $900 for 3 nights which is low for anything in the city. It's not even a question: Boston sees a massive economic benefit from the marathon. I'm not sure if you've noticed but Boston isn't Orlando. Tourism is a piece of the Boston economy just like any other city, but disrupting other industries to boost it doesn't necessarily equate to economic boon. Especially when said industries account for a much bigger piece of the state's GDP pie than hospitality and retail. CatsOnTheInternet fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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CatsOnTheInternet posted:I'm not sure if you've noticed but Boston isn't Orlando. What industries are being disrupted by the marathon? White collar businesses are closed that day, retail and restaurants see a huge increase in traffic, and the industrial areas east of Boston (i.e. near the port) are completely unaffected. I'll also add that the people of Boston, however they may be the other 51 weeks of the year, are the most kind and accommodating people the weekend of the race. The city has a great reputation for how well they treat the tourists which kind of implies to me that there's not a lot of disruption. Andy Dufresne fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 4, 2013 |
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