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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Does it bother no one else that Zero III is calling Clover "Cleaver" considering what happened in the non-canon Axe Ending? How do you know that wasn't the canon ending? It's not like there's anyone else from the first nonary game here. 
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Dr. Stab posted:How do you know that wasn't the canon ending? It's not like there's anyone else from the first nonary game here. Literally every reason there is, then again something is telling me that this post was in jest. However, to stretch my smug muscles, one reason the axe ending isn't cannon is because time would probably implode, what with the Akane closed loop thing.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:16
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Isn't every ending in 999 technically a 'cannon' ending? Akane could only know what information to give Junpei in the true ending because he had obtained the information in different possible outcomes. Semantics though. Does anyone else feel that Zero III is a lot less compelling of a villain than Zero was in 999? Zero III is just DR-styled and not as imposing to me.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:55
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SharpWingedSpear posted:Isn't every ending in 999 technically a 'cannon' ending? Akane could only know what information to give Junpei in the true ending because he had obtained the information in different possible outcomes. Semantics though.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:00
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SharpWingedSpear posted:Does anyone else feel that Zero III is a lot less compelling of a villain than Zero was in 999? Zero III is just DR-styled and not as imposing to me. Maybe that's because Zero III isn't the actual villain, he just works for this game's Zero and runs the game?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Does it bother no one else that Zero III is calling Clover "Cleaver" considering what happened in the non-canon Axe Ending? Let me just point out that if it's a clue, it's one that the English localization added in.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:06
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lotus circle posted:To be fair, Zero in 999 was a girl bent on revenge against the guys who hosed up her life and killed her in different continuums, along with trying to save her own life in the process. Kind of hard to top that. Right, but you only found out about that at the very end. Up until then, Zero was kind of this imposing, looming threat that could be ANYONE, and the lack of face or personality really sold the atmosphere. Plus the "less is more" style used with Zero's dialogue was excellent. Here we have a laundry detergent mascot reject chirping pun filled exposition at us every few minutes. I get it's SO CUTE and CHEERFUL but that is really not what I enjoy this series for, and it deflates the atmosphere and tension.
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Jun 4, 2013 21:46
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Poland Spring posted:Right, but you only found out about that at the very end. Up until then, Zero was kind of this imposing, looming threat that could be ANYONE, and the lack of face or personality really sold the atmosphere. Plus the "less is more" style used with Zero's dialogue was excellent. Here we have a laundry detergent mascot reject chirping pun filled exposition at us every few minutes. I get it's SO CUTE and CHEERFUL but that is really not what I enjoy this series for, and it deflates the atmosphere and tension. Don't worry about Zero 3. Seriously he's annoying but not overused
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Poland Spring posted:Right, but you only found out about that at the very end. Up until then, Zero was kind of this imposing, looming threat that could be ANYONE, and the lack of face or personality really sold the atmosphere. Plus the "less is more" style used with Zero's dialogue was excellent. Here we have a laundry detergent mascot reject chirping pun filled exposition at us every few minutes. I get it's SO CUTE and CHEERFUL but that is really not what I enjoy this series for, and it deflates the atmosphere and tension. I'd much rather have an entertaining, involved antagonist then a scary, barely-existent one. Sure, Zero was scary because of the mysteriousness but she was a non-character up until the climax. Zero was just a pre-recorded message at the very start of the game. Maybe in a different kind of game I'd prefer that, but this is a visual novel so it's especially important that the characters are entertaining.
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Not to mention maybe it's just me but Zero 3 IS kind of imposing because this is the motherfucker in charge of whether we live or die. Or at least the avatar of the person in charge.
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... I don't think there is anything wrong with this game being more Dangan Ronpa styled. After all, Dangan Ronpa is amazing. Although, I will say that Monobear is an infinitely better villain compared to Zero III. I love these kinds of villains because one, the zero persona in 999 (and indeed most other hands off, imposing villains) have basically no character. Yes, Akane and Santa have character, but ZERO does not. Even if Zero III is less immediately imposing, you have that feeling from the film misery where it seems he can be talked to just fine because of his bubbly attitude, but it makes those moments where he starts revealing in your death and betrayal even more potent, and much more potent (his 'you'll be penalized' line is still my favorite from him.) It's basically all about contrast. How can someone who seems so upbeat be so cruel? Someone like Zero from 999 works in his own way, but he ultimately fails as a character, and works better as a plot device to build up tension, which is fine in its own right. Personally, I like to know who my villain actually is, and unfortunately we never see Akane 'unmasked' as it were. In fact, I think Ace was the better (and ultimately 'real') villain of 999, because as a villain, he actually talks to you and manages to be imposing without having to be non-existent.
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Alberenza posted:How can someone who seems so upbeat be so cruel? Very easily. I see this character archetype used so drat often in works of this genre and I'm sick of it. The contrast was cool the first or second time, but nothing new is added with each iteration and now the archetype is exhausted. There are more options for a villain than "mostly silent but still threatening non-character" and "overly bubbly and obnoxious uber-creeper."
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asymmetrical posted:Very easily. I see this character archetype used so drat often in works of this genre and I'm sick of it. The contrast was cool the first or second time, but nothing new is added with each iteration and now the archetype is exhausted. There are more options for a villain than "mostly silent but still threatening non-character" and "overly bubbly and obnoxious uber-creeper." I was being rhetorical. I'm of the mind that so long as they're entertaining, villain or not, then originality is a minor factor. Maybe its just because I'm a fan of the archetype though. Thankfully, Zero III obviously isn't really the main villain, so I guess you guys will just have to keep your fingers crossed that that person will live up to your expectations.
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Rabbits should not eat carrots or certain other high sugar vegetables. It's actually bad for them. So clover is technically better for them. Especially since its a computer rabbit and stuffing carrots into its inputs is not good for the computer.
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Poland Spring posted:Here we have a laundry detergent mascot reject chirping pun filled exposition at us every few minutes. I get it's SO CUTE and CHEERFUL but that is really not what I enjoy this series for, and it deflates the atmosphere and tension. Yeah, Zero III is definitely odd. In some ways, he's rather adorable, but also a bit creepy. I do like how the VA at least sells the difference between the two sides to his character, but it is weird to see a virtual rabbit as one of the "Zero"es of the game after how grounded in reality the first game was... for the most part.
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Alberenza posted:
While there's no doubt that if you find them entertaining, the originality of the character or archetype is irrelevant, it's important to consider that to many people originality is part of what makes something entertaining (making this, you guessed it, subjective), and certainly seeing the same thing over and over ad nauseam can get boring pretty quick. Personally, I think Monobear makes a much better villain of this type than Zero III. Monobear might look cutesy, but he doesn't act or speak that way at all. He's very blunt and brutal. Zero III is trying too hard, and doesn't come across quite as well. I love Zero III's voice acting, which is certainly a big part of what makes him entertaining, but the character itself doesn't seem particularly interesting.
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Alright, since I made y'all wait (for the poll) and then gave you a tiny update (albeit very interesting), here's a somewhat less tiny update for you.
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Listen in: [English/Japanese] Now, lettuce check the numbers on our bracelets. VLR OST: [Sinisterness] Listen in: [English/Japanese] Oh, no, it's nothing. You don't have to thank me... I only did what anybody would have done. Rather frustratingly, she didn't respond, only turned away unperturbed I was about to press the issue when I heard Tenmyouji's voice. Listen in: [English/Japanese] N-No, it wasn't me! Mr Dio tricked me! He told me he'd pick "ally"! H-He promised! That's why I let him do the voting! Wh-What?! I didn't do squat. Quark was the one who decided how we were gonna vote. You wanna know what he told me? Grandpa's gonna choose to ally for sure, 'cause I'm his opponent on this one. I think we should betray. To be honest, I'm getting kinda tired of that grumpy old bastard. He's had a good life, but it's time for him to go. What do you say we leave the old fart here and leave? I've got a plan, see? Don't worry about me. I'll just tell him you tricked me. He'll believe whatever I tell him. Besides, if he still trusts me, that'll make it easier to use him again later. Pretty good plan, huh? All right, let's do it! Dio! You're a lying jerk! Sure, kid, keep whining. See if I care. Grandpa! You believe me, right?! Don't let this brat fool you, old man. All of this is just part of his plan. You bastard! I'm not gonna let you get away with this! Don't lose your temper. How long have I known you? I could be deaf and blind and I'd still know if you were lying to me. R-Really...? Heh. You're just as gullible as he said you'd be. Hook, line, and sinker. Lemme give you a little warning, Tenmyouji. I'll bet you money he's a born con man. I donno what he is to you, but if I were you I'd trust the kid as far as I could throw him. And at your age, that can't be far. You hearing me, old man? Keep an eye on him. ... Listen in: [English/Japanese] I'm so sorry... I apologize. This is very unfortunate. Whatever it had been about, it appeared to have resolved itself. Listen in (or miss out): [English/Japanese] I'll just have to try and get those points back in the next AB Game... What makes you think we'll be having another round? Well, you said "round one". If there's a round one, then there's likely a round two. Besides, didn't you say the goal of the AB Game was to get 9 BP? That's impossible without a second round. Yeah, I guess you've got a point. You're right, there will be a second round. When? Why not? The voting hoppens when an AB Gate opens. Right you are! So lemme just cloooooooose them. The Ambidex Gates have closed. Round two of the Ambidex Game will be the Moon Round. Moon cards will be required to open the gates. Moon cards...? Yes indeedy. Now you'll have to look for cards with moons on them. I donno. As many times as you need to? It's anybunny's guess how long it'll go, but I plan on keeping this party going until somebunny opens the number nine door. So it's over when someone gets 9 BP? Of course, you could also get stuck just below 9 BP, where everybunny just keeps going back and forth and back and forth, winning and losing points... After all, if there's nobunny with 9 BP, the door can't open... ...Rounnd 100, round 2000 -- you might even go all the way up to round 24,009,004897! Although I really really hope it doesn't come to that... I donno, can you? There's rules about who can go into the secondary doors, right? Like, you have to have three people exactly. Yeah. So? Are the rules the same? Nope. There aren't any rules about how many people can go through that door. It could be one person, or two people, or even all nine of you. All that stuff about how you have to have three people to go through the secondary Chromatic Doors... Maybe it's not... 100% true. What? What do you mean? Well, you can open the door with just one or two people, if you want. Weeeeeeell I didn't want to make things complicated... Then explain it now. Just use the bracelets. What? How? There's a sort of scanner between the two doors. It checks to see if the right people are going through. So... it's scanning the bracelets, then? Ding ding ding! It doesn't matter how many people there are. But... Wait, hold on a minute... Oh yes. They do indeed. Well, there're two ways. The first is to get through the number nine door and escape. As soon as you're out, the bracelet unlocks aaaaaaaaaall by itself. What's the second way? ... Hey! Zero! Wake up, will ya! What's the second way?! Oh, B.O. I think you already know. Do you really want to get rid of that bracelet? Of course I do! Oh. Well. I see. It's easy. Nothing to it, really. Music fades out You know what an electrocardiogram is, right? Technically it's a machine that graphs the electric current flowing across the myocardium... ...but you probably know it as the thing in the hospital with the little light that goes "beep... beep... beep... beeeeeeeeeeee--" when someone dies on a TV show. Anyway, the point is that you can detect the electricity that your heart makes by pumping blood. So, when that signal goes away... The lock on the bracelet releases, right? Yup. Your heart stops, your bracelet comes off. ... Apart from that, there's no other way to get the bracelets off. If you try something harebrained, like trying to break them or something, you'll be disobeying the rules. I don't think I need to remind you what happens when you do that. 999 OST: [Riddle and Puzzle] He he he he... Uh-yup. What do you mean? Well, do I have to explain everything? ...There, that's pretty clear, right? Ooooooor... it might be both of them. He he he he he... Wh-What? Why am I going to die?! Hm. I guess I can tell you why. I'm preeeeeetty sure I already told you what the penalty is. Correct, Siggy! Full marks! Listen in: [English/Japanese] Alice and I only have 1 BP. That means we'd have less than 0 if we lost 2 points. What...? This is important stuff! Why didn't you tell us about this earlier?! Sooooooorrrrryyyyy. Sorry's not going to cut it! I thought you were supposed to tell us the rules, not hide them! Well... Is there anything else you've conveniently left out?! It's not fair to make people play a game without explaining all the rules! I think it's fair... After all, it's not like anybody else knew... I guess so... Fedule fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jun 30, 2013 |
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Ha ha ha, Dio/Quark are playing that nicely. However they really decided, it's not hard to know who is telling the truth or not, which means that there's doubt for the next round as well about whether it's safe to ally with them or not (but I imagine that no one will).
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Jun 5, 2013 03:13
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I do like that they get that you only need the bracelet to open the door early this time since they know anyone returning from 999 will be onto that immediately.
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njsykora posted:I do like that they get that you only need the bracelet to open the door early this time since they know anyone returning from 999 will be onto that immediately. Except for Clover who apparently completely forgot how this game works again.
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Jun 5, 2013 03:18
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Dio is such a little bitch. Not that his scenario is completely unfeasible, but come on now, what is more likely, the stranger doing the betraying, or the little kid who has a what seems like a good relationship with Ten? If it does happen like that, I hope the game has a VERY good explanation for it.
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Jun 5, 2013 03:25
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So I must admit, I kind of glaze over the regular chat between updates, but I'm not sure if this was mentioned. Virtue's Last Reward is going free for Vita owners who have PS+ sometime this month. Look forward to it!
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Medieval Medic posted:Dio is such a little bitch. Not that his scenario is completely unfeasible, but come on now, what is more likely, the stranger doing the betraying, or the little kid who has a what seems like a good relationship with Ten? If it does happen like that, I hope the game has a VERY good explanation for it. "I know, I'll tell the guy his grandson is secretly a sociopath out to kill him! What WON'T he buy about that?"
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Jun 5, 2013 03:57
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Seems that Clover betrayed Alice intentionally, judging by her reaction. If she hadn't, Alice likely would've been upset at just K. Justin_Brett posted:"I know, I'll tell the guy his grandson is secretly a sociopath out to kill him! What WON'T he buy about that?" "And I'll have him talk the exact same way that I do! It's GENIUS."
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Jun 5, 2013 04:11
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Judging from the last bit of K/Clover and Alice's conversation, I would have been much more interested to hear their argument than Dio/Quark and Tenmyouji's. Dio is being an incredibly transparent conman, which means that it seems way too obvious for a game in the same series as 999 and the same developer as Dangan Ronpa, which means that maybe there's a bit of truth to his accusations, which means that maybe that's exactly what the writer is expecting of us which means-- --...eh, I don't know. I guess we'll see! ...Also, something's that's bugging me: Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model? Wild Knight fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Jun 5, 2013 04:25
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Fedule, it looks like the Japanese clip for part 4 ("sorry") is messed up somehow. It appears to be less than a second of background music.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:32
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Wild Knight posted:Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model? He's not in the voting mugshots either.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:34
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It seems like the safest option for the next round of Chromatic Doors is to make sure that Luna pairs up with Dio and Quark. Those two seem like the least trustworthy of the bunch, and Luna is the only solo who will be safe if she's betrayed. With any luck Clover and K will play nice next round, and our solo buddy will trust us after we allied with Luna.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:34
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I really do love Erin Fitzgerald's voice work for Quark in that entire scene. It's definitely one of my favorite scenes to replay, especially when you can tell O'Brien is having a lot of fun voicing Dio as he explains what a horrible hellspawn Quark is.
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Shear Modulus posted:Fedule, it looks like the Japanese clip for part 4 ("sorry") is messed up somehow. It appears to be less than a second of background music. Uh... okay. Not sure how that happened. I'll fix it in the morning.
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Phelddagrif posted:It seems like the safest option for the next round of Chromatic Doors is to make sure that Luna pairs up with Dio and Quark. Those two seem like the least trustworthy of the bunch, and Luna is the only solo who will be safe if she's betrayed. With any luck Clover and K will play nice next round, and our solo buddy will trust us after we allied with Luna. Seriously? The safest choice is to keep teaming up with Luna, because the others will die if they ally and get betrayed. If we go with Tenmyouji or Alice, they'd probably betray us just to make sure they don't die; Luna is the only safe choice if we want to get 9 BP. Course, we'll probably get a bad ending for not saving everyone, but at least 3 people'd make it out fine.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:43
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I always love Alice's "What the hell?" in this update for some reason.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:48
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Wild Knight posted:Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model? It's a common staple in VNs to obscure the protagonist, 999 was almost unique in the fact that you actually saw Junpei in CGs and stuff.
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Jun 5, 2013 04:53
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Regy Rusty posted:I always love Alice's "What the hell?" in this update for some reason.
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It's another one of those VN conventions meant so that the main character can be more of a cypher for the player. Just like the lack of voice acting for Sigma. I recently played finished another VN (Chaos;Head), and you don't see the main character's face for maybe 15 hours.
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Even to the extent of not including them in group shots, huh? So no water with the theory that Sigma is actually some sort of tangible ghost and is occasionally sneaking away from the group to give us, the player, these cinematic group shots.
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Wild Knight posted:Why can't we see Sigma in these shots? Is that important, or is that the game specifically taking every possible measure to anonymize Sigma, to the extent of not showing not only his face and his voice, but his model? Sigma is the cameraman.
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Wild Knight posted:Even to the extent of not including them in group shots, huh?
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