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ApplesandOranges posted:I'm guessing the game is either meant to appeal to one of the students specifically? That or it's meant to be a catch-all for all the students to trigger latent memories and drive them to murder, but because of Hinata's memory loss he's immune to it. Maybe you shouldn't have taken pictures of that corpse, Koizumi. EDIT: Update last page. Twiddy fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 11, 2013 |
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Well, that certainly was a game. I have to admit I laughed at the use of an actual photograph to portray dead E-ko, though. Going through the playthrough, I couldn't help but wonder if this means the next victim could be female, and that the 'NEVER FORGET' voice corresponds to the murderer -- maybe even Kirakira-chan? Maybe the victim will brush off the rumors and then the real deal will get angry and take them out as revenge with a bat. I'm really not sure, but if the game itself really is a motive and I'm wrong, then I don't know how else to explain the story and the clues.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:31
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Miss Kalle posted:Well, that certainly was a game. I have to admit I laughed at the use of an actual photograph to portray dead E-ko, though. Is use of photography a hallmark of the kusoge (poo poo game) genre that Hinata's talking about? I've seen it ironically employed in Work Time Fun and some of the Cho Aniki games.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:33
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When Hinata says "crappy game", is he using the term kuso-ge? Also, what's the difference between Western and Japanese style bathrooms? I tried googling, but I'm only getting pictures of toilets 
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Jun 11, 2013 02:35
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So wait: the game feels the need to censor blood by turning it from red to pink, but an image of an actual person bloodily beaten somehow passes the censors? (I know the person in the photo didn't actually get hit on the head, but it's still bizarre how this is ok but they need to make game blood pink.)
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Jun 11, 2013 02:38
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That was pretty interesting, but I agree with Hinata that it seems incoherent. Maybe you have to play the game again and again to unlock different parts? I think Nanami could figure this out. ... I'm not liking the implication that this might have something to do with Koizumi, though. I was hoping she'd stick around a long time.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:43
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Fairly certain that different people playing the game will see different parts, which is why Hinata only saw days 1 and 3. Or perhaps The game updates over time, hence the Dull Start.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:44
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Miss Kalle posted:Well, that certainly was a game. I have to admit I laughed at the use of an actual photograph to portray dead E-ko, though. I found that really bizarrely unsettling, actually. Out of curiosity, what does the suffix -ko mean? (Apologies if this has been covered already) This probably isn't the case, but the fact that days were skipped first made me think that perhaps different characters are seeing different parts of the game? Hinata sees days 2 and 4 while someone else sees 1 and 3? As straightforward as the game seems to be, it doesn't really seem like days 1 and 3 are necessary, but the fact that Hinata pointed it out might mean something. E: beaten ^
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Jun 11, 2013 02:45
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Very unnerving. I liked it.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:46
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Pick posted:Very unnerving. I liked it.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:47
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V!ntar posted:When Hinata says "crappy game", is he using the term kuso-ge? You sit on Western style toilets and squat on Japanese. Retter posted:I found that really bizarrely unsettling, actually. '-ko' is a common name ending for girls. Madoushi fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jun 11, 2013 |
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Jun 11, 2013 02:47
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V!ntar posted:Also, what's the difference between Western and Japanese style bathrooms? I tried googling, but I'm only getting pictures of toilets Japanese-style toilets are squat-style. They're literally a (hi-tech) hole in the ground. Retter posted:Out of curiosity, what does the suffix -ko mean? (Apologies if this has been covered already) Have you never noticed how like %90 of Japanese female names end with -ko? The kanji often used for that means "child", but that's not true for all of those names.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:47
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I just now noticed... in the Monobear Theater segments, is Monobear speaking to an audience of other Monobears? 
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Jun 11, 2013 02:48
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Whatever the hell that was, I get the feeling these lines of Monobear's are the biggest clue:orenronen posted:
My first intuition (like most people's, it seems) is that everyone gets to see a different part of the game and have to choose whether to trust each other to see the whole picture (and that would involve the admission that they snuck out and played the game) but... that's still missing the part where this is enough to spur someone to kill someone else. This is hella weird as far as Monobear schemes go. Retter posted:Out of curiosity, what does the suffix -ko mean? (Apologies if this has been covered already) -ko is just the most generic feminine name ending in Japan. For an English cultural equivalent, imagine these characters named A-ella, B-ella etc. or A-ette, B-ette, etc. or something along those lines. e:f;b several times over on this last point. D'oh.
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Jun 11, 2013 02:51
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You see, this game's theme is "the missing link".
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orenronen posted:Japanese-style toilets are squat-style. They're literally a (hi-tech) hole in the ground. Is there also a bidet vs toilet paper divide between the two or is that a separate issue?
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Jun 11, 2013 03:01
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Falls Down Stairs posted:My first intuition (like most people's, it seems) is that everyone gets to see a different part of the game and have to choose whether to trust each other to see the whole picture (and that would involve the admission that they snuck out and played the game) but... that's still missing the part where this is enough to spur someone to kill someone else. This is hella weird as far as Monobear schemes go. I think that this might be a "Conscience of the King" scenario. someone - let's call them "Claudius" - has a secret in their past, and this game reveals enough hints that a person who plays might be able to figure out who it's talking about and what they did. "Claudius", being nervous and guilty plays the game and recognizes themselves. That gives them a motive to protect their secret, and keep an eye out for others playing the game.
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I don't know why, but I started jumping to a lot of conclusions with that game. Someone (possibly Koizumi) took the pictures and got them torn up - first jump: the person who tore the pictures apart might've been the killer and didn't want any potential evidence there. Then it jumps to that person being dead - next jump: driven to suicide by the guilt/voice. So I ended up with this mental story of this E-ko girl killing this victim, possibly on accident, and wanting to try and keep it hidden. Days 2 and 3 then "probably" involve one of the girls gathering up the pieces and putting them together and figuring out the truth. She confronts E-ko, or E-ko finds out that the pieces have been recovered and starts assuming the worst. It gets to be too much so she bashes herself in the head with the bat. Of course, in this idea, there's the possibility that the person on the island now isn't the photographer but the person who couldn't let the matter lie and put the pieces back together. It's weird what kind of narrative one's mind can create.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:02
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I believe that Japanese newspapers use "Letter+Ko" pseudonyms to refer to underage females involved in criminal prosecutions, much like Canadian newspapers say things like "the suspect, whose name cannot be released under the Young Offenders Act" and the like.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:29
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TheDavies posted:I believe that Japanese newspapers use "Letter+Ko" pseudonyms to refer to underage females involved in criminal prosecutions, much like Canadian newspapers say things like "the suspect, whose name cannot be released under the Young Offenders Act" and the like. Any anonymous girl, really. It's the Jane Doe of Japanese.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:30
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I think that this might be a "Conscience of the King" scenario. someone - let's call them "Claudius" - has a secret in their past, and this game reveals enough hints that a person who plays might be able to figure out who it's talking about and what they did. "Claudius", being nervous and guilty plays the game and recognizes themselves. That gives them a motive to protect their secret, and keep an eye out for others playing the game. That's an interesting theory, but wouldn't it be out of character for Monobear? Has he ever done a motive that was specifically meant for one person?
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Jun 11, 2013 03:37
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Niggurath posted:Then you'll be happy to know it was actually a PS1 game by Suda 51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz5UVGpdc4U I am both thrilled and not surprised.
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Jun 11, 2013 03:45
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The idea that different people playing the game see different things is odd - what if you were to watch someone play the game, then?
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Jun 11, 2013 04:09
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My guess is that every time someone plays the game, an additional random day is unlocked to them and added to the game. Thus, Hinata was the second one to break their rule and play the game.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:19
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CaptainJingles posted:That's an interesting theory, but wouldn't it be out of character for Monobear? Has he ever done a motive that was specifically meant for one person? Oh right. That's a very good point. Probably not, which makes me feel a bit better.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:23
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lotus circle posted:So wait: the game feels the need to censor blood by turning it from red to pink, but an image of an actual person bloodily beaten somehow passes the censors? What are you talking about? I'm a pink-blooded human like the rest of us. It's the game within-a-game that has the recolored blood.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:27
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CaptainJingles posted:That's an interesting theory, but wouldn't it be out of character for Monobear? Has he ever done a motive that was specifically meant for one person? We can't be exactly sure what Monobear's character is, since the controller (probably) isn't Junko now. If somebody really wants to get off the island, someone elses motive could work for them. Say X plays the game, and figures out that it contains a reason for Y to kill Z. If X kills Z, they could frame Y and use the game for evidence.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Oh right. That's a very good point. Probably not, which makes me feel a bit better. I was about to post the same "but Monobear doesn't make person-specific motives" but then I remembered in the first game, if the "secret from your past" motive wasn't quite person specific, he still used it knowing that it would be much more likely to provoke someone like Mondo into killing rather than someone like Naegi. Still, I doubt he's actually constructed a motive to badger a single really specific person into killing, because then he'll lose the ability to say that it was all the murderer's fault and not his. Even if he hasn't played that card this game very much, it'd be a pretty huge change in modus operandi for him.
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Falls Down Stairs posted:I was about to post the same "but Monobear doesn't make person-specific motives" but then I remembered in the first game, if the "secret from your past" motive wasn't quite person specific, he still used it knowing that it would be much more likely to provoke someone like Mondo into killing rather than someone like Naegi.
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Jun 11, 2013 04:39
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Twiddy posted:I have to imagine that this is similar to some student's memory and they are freaking the gently caress out right now. Wait, is D-ko supposed to be Koizumi? Do the other Twilight Syndrome characters correspond to some of the other girls?
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Jun 11, 2013 04:42
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Tender Child Loins posted:Wait, is D-ko supposed to be Koizumi? Do the other Twilight Syndrome characters correspond to some of the other girls? Basing on a guess... A-Ko: Tsumiki Mikan: That timid attitude can only belong to her B-Ko: Um...I want to say Sayonji based on how she yells at A-ko, though this is only if A-ko is Tsumiki, which there's no proof of, so it's sort of baseless. C-Ko: Owari...? D-Ko: Probably Koizumi yeah E-Ko: No idea, and considering she's dead...
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CaptainJingles posted:That's an interesting theory, but wouldn't it be out of character for Monobear? Has he ever done a motive that was specifically meant for one person? Turning Sakura into a mole counts, doesn't it? It's not out of character for Monobear to single one person out so that the group turns against them.
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Jun 11, 2013 05:00
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Kobold posted:It gets to be too much so she bashes herself in the head with the bat. I wonder if it's even possible to actually kill yourself with a baseball bat. I would imagine that it's pretty difficult to get enough strength to the swing, especially if you're a Japanese schoolgirl. Not to mention the wound would be on her forehead, not the back of the head.
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Tender Child Loins posted:Wait, is D-ko supposed to be Koizumi? Do the other Twilight Syndrome characters correspond to some of the other girls? Apollove posted:Basing on a guess... Man, this idea (that the videogame characters are actually the kids seen through a cipher) didn't even occur to me. Maybe it's a dramatization of stuff that happened while they were at Hope's Peak, and there's enough information in there for someone to figure out they're the ones being portrayed? It fits nicely with the whole "bad poo poo happened in these folks' past that they've forgotten" theory. Falls Down Stairs fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Apollove posted:Basing on a guess... Based on (our brief view on their) personalities alone, I'd venture: A-Ko: Tsumiki Mikan (as you suggested) B-Ko: Hiyoko Saionji (same, as she's mean to A-Ko) C-Ko: Ibuki Mioda ("Ukyaaaaaaa!" - Who else is this loudmouthed?) D-Ko: Mahiru Koizumi (Photographer, it's a stretch but who knows?) Then, if this is meant to reflect the "real" girls, we have Chiaki Nanami, Peko Pekoyama, Sonia Nevermind, and Akane Owari to choose from for E-Ko. Honestly though, E-Ko really sounds most like Hinata from the beginning of the game, before he'd decided to go swimming with everyone. Anyway, this is likely baseless. I wonder if we're meant to draw a parallel at all.
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Poulpe posted:Based on (our brief view on their) personalities alone, I'd venture: That sounds about right. But who would be in the archery club? Maybe there's a student who's not in their class who was a SHSL Archer.
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Yeahh, I'm not really seeing the connection. The only reason this discussion started is because one of the girls happened to take pictures so somehow she's automatically a representation of Mahiru.
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Jun 11, 2013 05:36
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So is "an outsider who sneaked into the school" just a cover-up story E-ko pushed on the rest, or is it representative of someone (if any of them DO represent members of the class), like a traitor who somehow snuck into the class maybe?
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EdgeryWorthy posted:Yeahh, I'm not really seeing the connection. The only reason this discussion started is because one of the girls happened to take pictures so somehow she's automatically a representation of Mahiru. Well yes, at the moment it's nothing but baseless conjecture, however on the other hand the same could be said of the original theories as to why Hanamura was the culprit in case 1, as such while there currently is no proof our theory is correct, I don't think it's right to throw it out the window. That being said it's entirely possible none of these girls are meant to represent anyone in the group, and the motive has some other hidden meaning behind it.
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EdgeryWorthy posted:Yeahh, I'm not really seeing the connection. The only reason this discussion started is because one of the girls happened to take pictures so somehow she's automatically a representation of Mahiru. It's a mystery game and one of the characters is a photographer. If photographs come up, it's either a clue or a red herring, never a coincidence.
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My first instinct was to match up the timid girls and photographers also, and then my thoughts wanted to make a bigger stretch and match up E-Ko with our beloved DR0 protagonist. "It's nothing to do with us," an ironic focus on forgetting things, and being beaten on the head with a bat might explain brain damage. But that final image is so much like the ones we get before cases start that I can't imagine if it were a Hope's Peak student we're not meant to take her for actually dead.
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