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SatansBestBuddy posted:Maybe I should stop reading every spoiler in this thread and actually read the books... You hadn't figured that out already? People make jokes about it constantly. The show does too, if you approach it with the foreknowledge.
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# ? Jun 16, 2013 19:26 |
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Clarste posted:You hadn't figured that out already? People make jokes about it constantly. The show does too, if you approach it with the foreknowledge. Pretty much everything that sparks the incident off happened already. Just slightly differently. Going off on her own, getting her rear end kicked by an enemy who's stronger than she expected, betraying ITEM to save her own skin only for Meltdowner to show up right after. Meltdowner really doesn't have any intermediate settings besides kill and maim.
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# ? Jun 16, 2013 20:59 |
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Light novel spoiler: So that's what "Fre_nda" and "Fre|nda" are referencing. I can't decide whether that's clever or just morbid.
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JosephWongKS posted:So that's what "Fre_nda" and "Fre|nda" are referencing. I can't decide whether that's clever or just morbid. Oh my god, I didn't even get that
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 00:21 |
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You could say that Frenda is half the woman she used to be! ho ho!
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 01:32 |
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tonberrytoby posted:I would think that Kuroko at level 5 would get more fine control over her power. More similar to Accelerator's powers then to something flashy. Being able to teleport flying bullets behind her. Or probably a sensing ability too. Its pretty clearly telefraging from the scene where Kuroko collapses a building by teleporting sheets of glass into supporting pillars. Presumably she could teleport those pins into peoples internal organs if she was so inclined, but instead she goes for the clothes.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 01:44 |
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I'd hate to see Kuroko with a large piece of sheet aluminum. That, and literally throwing a spanner in the works by telefragging machinery via teleporting a spanner into it. Misaka using Kuroko's metal spikes as railgun ammunition would certainly be a thing as well.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 01:48 |
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Conot posted:Its pretty clearly telefraging from the scene where Kuroko collapses a building by teleporting sheets of glass into supporting pillars. Presumably she could teleport those pins into peoples internal organs if she was so inclined, but instead she goes for the clothes. Being a more or less normal schoolgirl(crazy lesbian aspect aside) in law enforcement, she has to be very careful with power usage so as not to seriously cripple someone. It's not like electricity where she can leave you just mostly numb.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 06:06 |
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Honestly, a level 5 Kuroko would probably be story-breaker levels of overpowered. Crazy Esper on the loose? Just teleport him directly into an Anti-Skill holding cell. Problem solved.Dan7el posted:What's the deal with all the Kamijou Touma hate? He completely loses his memory in the first arc of Index and it pretty doesn't affect his character at all. You know your character is bland when what amounts to a complete reset leaves him exactly the same. It's used more as an excuse for people to monologue exposition at him.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 06:21 |
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Anime_Otaku posted:I also now have the image of an L5 Kuroko doing a bit from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on Misaka. Douglas Adams posted:I teleported home one night
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 06:25 |
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On the other hand, Touma doesn't hold back against anyone, neither the old or children are safe from getting punched in the face by Touma. He's also gender neutral in his face punching which is a refreshing change of pace. If you're an rear end in a top hat you are going to get your face punched no matter who you are.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 06:27 |
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A L5 version of teleportation would probably have to broaden the concept, most of the L5s are either stupid powerful(Sogita Gunha, full mind control, creation of unobtainium) or work with fundamental forces(Vectors, Wave-Particle duality, Electromagnetism). Teleportation doesn't really meet the former criteria, it's flexible, but not enough, so it'd probably go with fundamental force manipulations. Spatial manipulation could apply, as could a ranged version of Accelerator. Of course, offensively we know L5s have power resistance amongst each other to some degree, at least with direct kill moves. Mental Out can't control Railgun, while Dark Matter and Accelerator are likely out because they can bullshit anything at all. Similarly Accelerator(LN spoiler) can't just explode Dark Matter on a touch, it came down to a heavy hitting brawl. Personal theory is their powers interfere when doing anything too fancy at point blank. Besides, the Magic side has established that magicians possess some native resistance to magic. The same process might be in play on the Science side.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 06:51 |
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Look teleportation is and has always been brokenly powerful when applied by anyone with a lick of creativity, which means it has to always be toned down by authorial amnesia. And after reading the manga, I will never forgive Touma for constricting Railgun's story. I know that Touma must go and fistsolve Accelerator, and that's all well and good, but after the incredible drawn-out fight with Frenda and Mugino, it's completely boring. Plus it completely sidelines Misaka. This is her personal nightmare after exposure to the true, amoral nature of Academy City. Does she respond in kind against the City that betrayed her? Does she recruit some of its many many enemies? Does she expose or threaten to expose the City's dirty laundry so that it might lose its standing? Does she even ask her friends, considering the last couple episodes of Railgun are about not going it alone? No! It's time for this zero charisma rear end in a top hat to turn up and save the day. Edit: wait no, I'm actually incredibly stupid and judgemental. It's just Touma vs Accelerator that is terrible (I assumed that would have been the end of Sisters Arc). I've caught up with Chapter 60, and holy crap that revelation! I certainly didn't expect that character to have that particular motivation! Phobophilia fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jun 17, 2013 |
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That's not the part I thought of, there's a bit where it's mentioned dinner parties would be livened up by teleporting the hostess' underwear 3 feet to the right.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 15:01 |
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Phobophilia posted:Look teleportation is and has always been brokenly powerful when applied by anyone with a lick of creativity, which means it has to always be toned down by authorial amnesia.
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Anime_Otaku posted:That's not the part I thought of, there's a bit where it's mentioned dinner parties would be livened up by teleporting the hostess' underwear 3 feet to the right. While I don't remember that specific quote, that sure sounds like Hitchiker's Guide.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 15:44 |
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Phobophilia posted:
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:24 |
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Come to think of it, the Touhou references are piled on a little strong here. The exploding army of dolls aside...isn't the card basically acting as a spellcard? Used to clear a horde of mooks too.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 17:50 |
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veekie posted:Come to think of it, the Touhou references are piled on a little strong here. The exploding army of dolls aside...isn't the card basically acting as a spellcard? Used to clear a horde of mooks too. Oh come on, now you're really stretching it.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:00 |
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What really brought it to mind was that the word 'danmaku' was actually used in that scene.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 19:44 |
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veekie posted:What really brought it to mind was that the word 'danmaku' was actually used in that scene. Dolls, maybe, although the series already has its own self-referential doll-bomb joke. The prism-cards is really stretching it though.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 20:14 |
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There's a girl in the Index movie who is a dead ringer for Marisa. Marye Spearhead
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 21:40 |
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Clarste posted:Dolls, maybe, although the series already has its own self-referential doll-bomb joke. The prism-cards is really stretching it though. Well, Misaka was thinking, "She can't create a barrage(danmaku)", then Meltdowner pulled out a card and created some danmaku.
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# ? Jun 17, 2013 22:16 |
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Dan7el posted:What's the deal with all the Kamijou Touma hate? Mainly the fact that when he shows up in the first season Misaka reverts from being a strong, competent lead character into the terrible harem member she presumably is in Index (don't know since I haven't seen it but that's the impression I got).
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# ? Jun 18, 2013 04:06 |
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veekie posted:Well, Misaka was thinking, "She can't create a barrage(danmaku)", then Meltdowner pulled out a card and created some danmaku. This falls apart once you realize that danmaku is actually a real word.
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# ? Jun 18, 2013 04:57 |
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Joshlemagne posted:Mainly the fact that when he shows up in the first season Misaka reverts from being a strong, competent lead character into the terrible harem member she presumably is in Index (don't know since I haven't seen it but that's the impression I got). She's nowhere near as important in the Index anime or light novels as she is in her own shows/side stories. At best, she's an interesting side character who occasionally visits violence on Touma (just like every other girl in the show). Our first introduction to her is basically in passing, then we don't care about her for like half the first season until the Sisters arc begins. After Sisters runs its course in Index S1, she's reduced to cameo appearances during non-important sequences while the real poo poo is happening elsewhere. She returns to some form of prominence during Index S2, but again is far from the actual focus on the plot. I get that Touma has a lot of issues as a character that make him unenjoyable, but I'm not sure I'd just toss the 'harem' label at the Index series. The focus on the show is a lot less on 'WHAT GIRL IS TOUMA GONNA GET WITH?' (thats more of a rabidly obsessed creepy fanbase sort of thing) and more of 'WHEN IS TOUMA GOING TO PUNCH THE JESUS OUT OF SOME ARC VILLAIN'S ILLUSIONS?' They make a joke or two at Touma's expense on how his arm is cancelling the strings of fate the tie people to eachother (and therefore is the reason why women feel attracted to him), and as you can expect in anime there's a lot of really unfortunate and inexcusable fanservice. However, the blushing-tsundere girl harem antics make up a significantly smaller part of the Index series than Punching, Accelerator Killing The gently caress Out Of Someone, and Generically Heroic Speeches/Moral Preaching. Index would be a lot more tolerable as a show in general if they gave every story arc the sort of attention that the Railgun arcs have seen. Railgun S2 is basically going to be the definitive animated version of the Sisters arc because of how well they actually build up just how horrible the experiment is, how much they build up Accelerator before we even really get to 'meet' him, and how much world building and character development has occurred in general. My first experience with the franchise came from watching Index seasons 1 and 2, so when I was told just how much light novel content they had managed to adapt into the season, it explained a lot of why everything about the series felt so drat rushed.
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# ? Jun 19, 2013 01:07 |
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My main problems with Touma are that his harem just keeps increasing in size and his character never develops. The latter issue wouldn't be so serious if he had been even slightly interesting to begin with. It also doesn't help that not a single member of said harem has ever succeeded in being nice to him in any way. A few have tried, but every attempt ends poorly. Being surrounded at all times by people who react to everything you do with either criticism or physical violence sounds pretty unfortunate to me, but that is probably unintentional. There are also the incredibly verbose self-righteous speeches, but those aren't unique to Touma.
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# ? Jun 19, 2013 01:30 |
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I'm pretty sure Touma just needed some bitchin' shades and a mole sidekick and everybody would love the gently caress out of him.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 05:10 |
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I thought you said moe sidekick and Yoko's not moe and not a sidekick and oh, you meant mole. But that's actually a pig. No one is as amusing to watch as Kamina. Edit: oh, you're talking about Simon.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 05:17 |
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Phobophilia posted:I thought you said moe sidekick and Yoko's not moe and not a sidekick and oh, you meant mole. But that's actually a pig.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 09:26 |
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Look I'm only up to episode 8 of TTGL I don't respect Simon all that much.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 09:50 |
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Phobophilia posted:Look I'm only up to episode 8 of TTGL I don't respect Simon all that much.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 10:23 |
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Phobophilia posted:Look I'm only up to episode 8 of TTGL I don't respect Simon all that much. Watch more of that show before anything else right now!
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 10:28 |
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Phobophilia posted:Look I'm only up to episode 8 of TTGL I don't respect Simon all that much. Finishing this show is now your top priority. Work is unimportant by comparison.
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# ? Jun 20, 2013 19:59 |
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Uh by episode 8 I meant that was next. ... It's not like I didn't see that coming, and that spoiler had been percolating through the collective consciousness of the internet.
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# ? Jun 21, 2013 12:30 |
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The reason I hate Touma is shown by the characters approach to the sisters. And the probable plot of the next few episodes. When Misaka finds out about the sisters: She goes and uses her ability and skills to find out the truth about them. Over the course of several days she takes on a war of attrition against the project to stop it without loss of live for anyone. She ruins her health and is almost killed. And she knew this was a probable result. Manga spoilers from here: After this fails she gets ready to do some actual terrorism. As far as she knows this will lead to lots of chaos, possible deaths, and her getting arrested. She agonies about that decision and then goes and do it. After this failed, she makes a plan that involves her committing suicide in a possibly painful fashion. For comparison this is how Touma approaches the same situation: ( Index spoiler) He finds out about the whole project by literally bumping into the documents while hiding under a bed. Then he plans to just beat up Accelerator. Which will stop the project because Touma is the weakest man in the city. He knows he will succeed because he is the main character, and basically shouts that at Misaka.
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# ? Jun 21, 2013 12:55 |
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tonberrytoby posted:For comparison this is how Touma approaches the same situation: ( Index spoiler) Its a good thing I don't plan to watch Index because that just sounds shameful. Having come into Railgun and now Railgun S completely blind, I have to say that Railgun S is fantastic. It may have lost much of the charm of the first season and become a much more serious show, but it makes up for with with a great plot, intriguing characters, and an atmosphere that sells it. It's probably one of the strongest shows this season behind the top dogs like Gargantia and AoT.
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# ? Jun 21, 2013 13:57 |
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tonberrytoby posted:For comparison this is how Touma approaches the same situation: ( Index spoiler)
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# ? Jun 21, 2013 14:27 |
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Nate RFB posted:This is also basically the same approach that happens with every single incident that involves him. For 30+ god drat books.
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# ? Jun 21, 2013 15:05 |
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tonberrytoby posted:
If Mikoto could simply beat up Accelerator she would have done so as well. In this case the experiment is based on Accelerator cannot be beaten and thus is the best candidate for level 6 training but we have to do it exactly perfectly to get it to happen. If you can succcessfully beat the unbeatable the experiment becomes moot. And Touma does know for a fact he can negate esper powers and thus stands a reasonable chance of putting his fist into Accelerators face. The real issue is they use this solution for every single thing involving him. Punch their bullshit
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