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He's an incredibly stupid man, rendered more stupid with blows to the head.
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imo a good way for the head-writer of a wrestling show to avoid concussions from not knowing how to take bumps properly is to NOT WRITE YOURSELF INTO THE SHOW
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Jun 21, 2013 00:05
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Gonzo McFee posted:The brain damage argument would have more credence if it wasn't for him already doing all of that insane bullshit before the concussions. The poo poo he booked in early TNA is even worse than anything that happened in the Attitude era or WCW. It's just heinous, sick bullshit. Of course, it's only a few degrees worse than some of the stuff he booked in his second TNA run, so it's possible it was just the freedom of PPV.
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Jun 21, 2013 00:27
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oatgan posted:imo a good way for the head-writer of a wrestling show to avoid concussions from not knowing how to take bumps properly is to NOT WRITE YOURSELF INTO THE SHOW But Russo would never appear onscreen. He even promised as much. What are you talking about?
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Jun 21, 2013 01:47
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There is an episode of WCW Live that he was a guest on not long after the concussion stuff where he comes off as not entirely there.
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Jun 21, 2013 01:58
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You can just look at how badly the people that admit to having had concussions in the past post on here and make a pretty good case for Vince Russo's concussions contributing to how awfully he books wrestling.
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Jun 21, 2013 02:15
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MassRafTer posted:The poo poo he booked in early TNA is even worse than anything that happened in the Attitude era or WCW. It's just heinous, sick bullshit. Of course, it's only a few degrees worse than some of the stuff he booked in his second TNA run, so it's possible it was just the freedom of PPV. Could you go into further detail?
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Street Horrrsing posted:Could you go into further detail? Just look up recaps of them, or watch them if you have the inclination (don't), and you'll see that the storylines and segments could only be written by someone with an intense hatred of women, minorities, and goddamn near everyone else.
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flashy_mcflash posted:Just look up recaps of them, or watch them if you have the inclination (don't), and you'll see that the storylines and segments could only be written by someone with an intense hatred of women, minorities, and goddamn near everyone else. You are acting like it has things like women dancing in cages.
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Jun 21, 2013 05:21
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Street Horrrsing posted:Could you go into further detail? There was constantly violence against women and homophobia on the shows. Bruce (Alan Funk) wore a dress and won Miss TNA, which existed as an excuse to have men wrestling women, constant anti-gay and anti-trans promos and commentary and just stuff you'd never believe. Terms like "freak" and "homo" were frankly light fare for this period. One of the lowlights is BG James declaring he isn't going to do something to a queer he's going to just beat up a human being tonight, paraphrasing. Then there are the anti-women angles, where women would be brought into the ring, called whores, ugly, whatever, bullied and then beaten down for heat. I really wish I had time stamped some of the more stunning parts, but Roddy Piper blaming Russo for the death of Owen Hart wasn't the worst thing on the last episode we watched.
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Jun 21, 2013 05:36
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MassRafTer posted:There was constantly violence against women and homophobia on the shows. Bruce (Alan Funk) wore a dress and won Miss TNA, which existed as an excuse to have men wrestling women, constant anti-gay and anti-trans promos and commentary and just stuff you'd never believe. Terms like "freak" and "homo" were frankly light fare for this period. One of the lowlights is BG James declaring he isn't going to do something to a queer he's going to just beat up a human being tonight, paraphrasing. Here's the worst segment from the most recent one we watched in Synchtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3IDC2IltpA&t=1785s
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Jun 21, 2013 05:43
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The Athena thing is probably one of the lowest points of TNA. Jerry Jarrett listed it as one of the reasons he wished he had never listened to his son and brought in Russo. Edit: For those not in the know, Athena was a local talent who was brought in for the first few shows and kept around as the ring girl. She was popular both with the talent and also the fans who she talked to during the tapings and before and after the shows. She got over with the fans without needing any tv time and Russo sold the segment as moving towards her being an on air character, explaining he was going to run her down to get her sympathetic heat. If you listen to the commentary Don West starts with the nervous laughter because noone knew how far Russo was going to go with the running her down. Some of the talent were legitimately pissed with the segment and Russo was lucky to not get fired over it. Skinty McEdger fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Jun 21, 2013 |
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Jun 21, 2013 12:20
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TNA ran these auctions during the shows to go to charity. Did any of that money even ever go to anyone or did they just keep it?
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Did Russo book Kanyon taking that dumb bump of the triple cage? Visually, it was pretty powerful but given the timing, and location of Owen's death it was in poor taste.
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coconono posted:Did Russo book Kanyon taking that dumb bump of the triple cage? Visually, it was pretty powerful but given the timing, and location of Owen's death it was in poor taste. Yes he did since it was after a David Arquette match, and why would he care since he killed Owen?
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Jun 21, 2013 15:47
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That Kanyon bump angle was crazy. Especially when Awesome came out in a wheelchair complete with neck brace & halo, cutting a promo on Kanyon (at least I seem to remember that)
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Jun 21, 2013 15:49
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The bump was due to the fuckin politics
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oatgan posted:Here's the worst segment from the most recent one we watched in Synchtube Jesus. I think I'd have just walked out then and there, that was pretty loving disgusting... Words escape me. Something about instead of instead of providing a lovely product people will walk away from, creating something so offensive people don't just write it off, they actively avoid it.
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Jun 21, 2013 16:14
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maxallen posted:Jesus. I think I'd have just walked out then and there, that was pretty loving disgusting... That's Russo in a nutshell. "We're gonna make something so sleazy and awful its gonna go so far it will be ART."
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coconono posted:That's Russo in a nutshell. "We're gonna make something so sleazy and awful its gonna go so far it will be ART." Just like the Andy Sidaris film Day of the Warrior. Starring Buff Bagwell.
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Jun 21, 2013 17:00
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oatgan posted:Here's the worst segment from the most recent one we watched in Synchtube That's one of the most embarassing segments I've ever seen. I feel dirty having watched it.
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Jun 21, 2013 17:22
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Someone describe that segment to me- I'm a little afraid to watch it.
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Jun 21, 2013 17:56
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The Monkey Man posted:Someone describe that segment to me- I'm a little afraid to watch it. Vince Russo comes to the ring and says that everyone wants to see Athena, but the NWA staff won't give them Athena. The crowd is chanting, "A-THE-NA, A-THE-NA". They want Athena. Athena comes into the ring, and Vince starts telling her to show them her breasts, because this is "TNA: TITS 'N' rear end". He starts insulting her, backing her into the turnbuckle. Where I had to stop was when security showed up to separate them, and I assume this is where the segment ended.
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Jun 21, 2013 18:00
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You missed the Harrises cutting a rambling promo, then turning on Athena and powerbombing her twice.
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DeathChicken posted:You missed the Harrises cutting a rambling promo, then turning on Athena and powerbombing her twice. Well. That... that somehow manages to make it even worse. And Russo thought this would get crowds behind her? I mean it did, when I had to tap out I was hoping she'd found a better place to be than TNA in the... 11 years since, but I don't think that's the best way to do it.
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I Before E posted:Well. That... that somehow manages to make it even worse. He also forgot the part where Vince Russo beat her like he was an abusive husband. Like not wrestling beating, backing her into a corner and smacking her with the back of his hand.
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Jun 21, 2013 18:29
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Russo loves his wife and children very much.
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Yeah I think braindamage explains a few things about Russo, the rest is explained by him just being an rear end in a top hat. So thanks to Dailymotion you get to see every episode of Nitro (And most PPV's - though for some reason I couldn't find Halloween Havoc 95). By that point Hogan is already champ so what was their weekly show prior to Nitro? Did they have one?
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They had WCW Saturday Night, which was their flagship show for years. They also had a Sunday show (I keep thinking it was called Main Event but it might have been Worldwide, I can't remember), plus the Clash of the Champions shows, although those were quarterly (I think) and not weekly.
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The Sunday show was Main Event, I can't remember what day Worldwide was on but that was the only WCW show that was aired outside of the states prior to Nitro.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The Sunday show was Main Event, I can't remember what day Worldwide was on but that was the only WCW show that was aired outside of the states prior to Nitro. Worldwide was syndicated so it aired whenever the station wanted to air it. They also had WCW Pro.
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TNA should lobby to have Xplosion air for an hour Sunday nights at 7pm. I really liked Main Event being used as a PPV pre-show that aired live matches and tried to get extra buys. Sunday Night Heat copied the same formula.
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They used to have (perhaps more in the NWA era than WCW, I can't remember for sure) the Friday Night Power Hour, I think that was usually on around 10 p.m. Eastern? My memories of that show are basically Gordon Solie commentating and Arn Anderson defending the hell out of the TV title. tbh, I felt like NWA/WCW was way ahead of WWF as far as quality television programs in the late 80s/early 90s. WCWSN was more entertaining than Superstars, plus they had the Power Hour and the COTC. Saturday Night's Main Event was probably the best thing that either company would put on free TV, but as far as weekly goes, I definitely preferred NWA/WCW.
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Anyone else hate the Atlanta Braves for occasionally delaying WCW Saturday Night?
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It sucks that we never really had WCW in the UK. We had like this weekly 'International' show that was supposedly largely just out of date anyway. The only time I ever got to see it was just some random showings we'd get sometimes. Hell TNA is shown more consistently than WCW ever was.
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DrVenkman posted:It sucks that we never really had WCW in the UK. We had like this weekly 'International' show that was supposedly largely just out of date anyway. The only time I ever got to see it was just some random showings we'd get sometimes. Hell TNA is shown more consistently than WCW ever was. I watched so much WCW in the UK through scramblevision.
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EugeneJ posted:TNA should lobby to have Xplosion air for an hour Sunday nights at 7pm. Spike isn't interested in any additional TNA, they already turned down airing live specials that would replace the monthly PPVs TNA got rid of. They have no interest in an hour of filler.
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MassRafTer posted:Spike isn't interested in any additional TNA, they already turned down airing live specials that would replace the monthly PPVs TNA got rid of. They have no interest in an hour of filler. I suspect they have no interest in having TNA at all.
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DrVenkman posted:It sucks that we never really had WCW in the UK. We had like this weekly 'International' show that was supposedly largely just out of date anyway. The only time I ever got to see it was just some random showings we'd get sometimes. Hell TNA is shown more consistently than WCW ever was. It depends which ITV region you were in. London showed Worldwide at 3am every weekend from 92-96. Another region showed it for ten years in the afternoon. Plus we also had the 5 hours of pain that was the Nitro/Thunder double bill on Friday nights. The channel 5 coverage was the drizzling shits though, being out of date and heavily censored. They had to insert 60's batman style "kapows" over half the action.
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