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St. Cloud was a little more flaccid this second time around, but Venture Brothers has always had some hit or miss characters. Hatred took me a while to fully warm up to, after all. At the very least, St. Cloud enables Billy and White to have some fun adventures. The other problem with the episode is how predictably the "twist" played out. A lot of the main story kind of packed backbone. I wouldn't say it was a bad episode, certainly no State Dinner.
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Watching it again I just realized that when Jonas is diving in the opening he finds the ancient drachmas that Giorgos gives out for the Spanikopita games. I also didn't really like it the first time because the twist took so long to play out but I completely disagree with the St Cloud hate; I think it helps that I really like Billy and White but I hope they keep bringing him back.
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Jun 25, 2013 07:08
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I recall the creators saying that when people really hated the moppets, that was when the decision to keep them around was made. So you are making your own bed, St. Cloud haters. 
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Jun 25, 2013 07:27
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Kingtheninja posted:The first thing that came to my mind with the people on the boat with Kano were the Monarch's parents. The woman looked like his mom in the photo, at least. I see it too.
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Jun 25, 2013 07:36
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I wonder if Brock avoided his children the previous years too? I mean, one of them is rather big, he must have been confronted with him before, right?
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Jun 25, 2013 10:53
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X_Toad posted:I wonder if Brock avoided his children the previous years too? I mean, one of them is rather big, he must have been confronted with him before, right? He's an OSI agent. If he can elude and neutralize some of the world's greatest assassins and super-villains, he can evade child support. Hell, he can get a male Sasquatch through a military checkpoint in broad daylight.
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Jun 25, 2013 11:14
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I also just realized that White being a centaur in Billy's dream is a callback to the Conjectural Technologies stock certs.
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Jun 25, 2013 12:08
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In the dream sequence Jonas is Zeus, Kano is Hephaestus, and Horace is Dionysus, but who is Action Man supposed to be? Ares or Hermes?
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Action Tortoise posted:In the dream sequence Jonas is Zeus, Kano is Hephaestus, and Horace is Dionysus, but who is Action Man supposed to be? Ares or Hermes? I don't see anything at all indicative of Hermes. I would guess Pluto? He does have a bident.  
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Jun 25, 2013 14:30
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Comrade Quack posted:I see it too.   probably.
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Jun 25, 2013 14:56
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thexerox123 posted:I don't see anything at all indicative of Hermes. EDIT: He could also be Achilles, who had a two pronged spear, (but not really a bident). I guess both work for Action Man. JetsGuy fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 14:58
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thexerox123 posted:I don't see anything at all indicative of Hermes. Ah, thanks. I didn't even know what a bident was. I thought it was a Caduceus.
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JetsGuy posted:He could also be Achilles, who had a two pronged spear, (but not really a bident). I guess both work for Action Man.
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Jun 25, 2013 20:56
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X_Toad posted:Wouldn't Achilles be the odd man out in an assembly of gods? It's more likely Hades (Pluto), I think. Yes, Pluto/Hades is certainly the more likely and most obvious. Just pointing out alternatives.
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Jun 25, 2013 21:07
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The lines on the guy's face makes me think Scaramantula. 
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Jun 25, 2013 21:36
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Dazerbeams posted:The lines on the guy's face makes me think Scaramantula. Have you ever seen a mustache before? [edit] or cheekbones?
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Jun 25, 2013 21:40
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The Venture Brothers Season V: Now THAT'S an euphenism!
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Dazerbeams posted:The lines on the guy's face makes me think Scaramantula. I mean maybe Jonas stole his son and broke down, becoming an insect-themed villain bent on destroying Doctor Venture?
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ultramiraculous posted:I mean maybe Jonas stole his son and broke down, becoming an insect-themed villain bent on destroying Doctor Venture? If that were the case, why would he put Rusty over a shark tank and attempt to kill him? EDIT: Now, Scaramantula being *Monarch's* father... that would be interesting.
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thexerox123 posted:I don't see anything at all indicative of Hermes. Hermes is often shown wearing a (winged) helmet, but yeah the bident makes me think Hades.
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Ithaqua posted:Have you ever seen a mustache before? Depends. What television show/bideo game features either of these?
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Dazerbeams posted:The lines on the guy's face makes me think Scaramantula. They look like they are having too good of a time for it to be Scaramantula. I don't think they'd look so casual on the boat if it was him.
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LashLightning posted:Great episode, even if only for the revelation that L. Ron Hubbard is a ghost inhabiting a robot body (Perhaps maybe a connection to that Ghost Robot superhero?) and also a super-villain. LRH wasn't a 'ghost' so much as his 'spirit' left his robot body (the same way Scientologists said it did when he died in '86). The thing that didn't make sense about it is that if that was in the 60s and 70s, he was still alive then. Umph posted:Really not feeling St Cloud. Give it time. Monarch was pretty lame his first few outings as well, but came into his own. I think part of the reason St. Cloud's a bad supervillain is that he hasn't given Billy and White adequate reason to consider him anything other than a nuisance. I think that might change after this episode simply because St. Cloud actually *did* try to kill White. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jun 26, 2013 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The thing that didn't make sense about it is that if that was in the 60s and 70s, he was still alive then. Was this mentioned previously in the Venture Bros universe, or are you saying it doesn't make sense because it contradicts real life? Because if it's the latter, I have news for you... David Bowie isn't actually a shapeshifter and leader of the Guild of Calamitous Intent.
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thexerox123 posted:Was this mentioned previously in the Venture Bros universe, or are you saying it doesn't make sense because it contradicts real life? No, really?  \/\/\/\/ EDIT: Probably. Might've been his 'Thetan Form.'
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BIG HEADLINE posted:LRH wasn't a 'ghost' so much as his 'spirit' left his robot body (the same way Scientologists said it did when he died in '86). The thing that didn't make sense about it is that if that was in the 60s and 70s, he was still alive then. Maybe he wasn't dead and he projects his spirit into robot bodies to fight Jonas and then jumps back when they're destroyed.
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Yeah, pretty sure the joke with LRH is that once defeated, his Thetan escapes. Good episode, but I'm beginning to feel the absence of Orpheus. "Mount me, Billy!"
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Jun 26, 2013 03:04
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Anyone who dislikes St. Cloud should eat a can full of pennies.
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Sgt. Politeness posted:Maybe he wasn't dead and he projects his spirit into robot bodies to fight Jonas and then jumps back when they're destroyed. That's actually what I figured. Man, this was a pretty good, and fun episode. No serious life or death things, just Doc's happiness at stake. Though I honestly thought Billy was going to wake up on top of Pete in a much worse position.
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JetsGuy posted:Anyone who dislikes St. Cloud should eat a can full of pennies. Eat the pennies.
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dazoner posted:Eat the pennies. Listen to your sidekick and eat the pennies. I was sold of St Cloud from that exchange.
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I really can't believe people are calling St. Cloud a lazy petty villain in the same show with the Monarch.
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twistedmentat posted:Listen to your sidekick and eat the pennies. SIDEKICK?!?! BILLY, EAT THE DAMNED PENNIES!!! 
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LP97S posted:I really can't believe people are calling St. Cloud a lazy petty villain in the same show with the Monarch. The Monarch is secretly brilliant. HE blows off Werner Underbheit's jaw, which leads to him hating Dr Venture. The Monarch has thusly doubled the amount of hatred and torment thrown at Rusty. Didn't do it on purpose, but hey whatever.
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So that friend of mine sent me a msg tonight asking me where he can watch more Venture Bros. My job is complete.
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LP97S posted:I really can't believe people are calling St. Cloud a lazy petty villain in the same show with the Monarch. St. Cloud is pretty much an episode of character development away from becoming everybody's favorite character. The only difference between him and a lot of the other characters on the show is that we have seen their hosed up love lives and abusive parental upbringings and we haven't seen St. Cloud's yet.
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LP97S posted:I really can't believe people are calling St. Cloud a lazy petty villain in the same show with the Monarch. He is though. That's what makes him funny.
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LP97S posted:I really can't believe people are calling St. Cloud a lazy petty villain in the same show with the Monarch. (Hank is looking at a list of supervillains in a Guild of Calamitous Intent handbook) Hank: Man, this is the coolest book ever! There's a guy in here who guards his headquarters with robot cheetahs! The Monarch: Oh yeah, The Zoo Creeper. Oh, hey, am I in there? Hank: Ummmmmm, nope. The Monarch: M, for (shakes fist, intimidating glare) MONARCH!! Hank: Uh-uh. The Monarch: Try T, for (same fist-shaking and intimidating glare) THE MONARCH!! Hank: Hmm, nothin'.
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Angular Landbury posted:St. Cloud is pretty much an episode of character development away from becoming everybody's favorite character. Not going to happen for me. He opens his mouth and all I hear is "I am Hank doing an upper class impression"
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Sereri posted:Not going to happen for me. He opens his mouth and all I hear is "I am Hank doing an upper class impression" Would you say its "jarring"?
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