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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:So Dave was being worked here, yes? Doctors really told him that he should never wrestle again right? Yeah, Dave was being worked here. Big Dave Meltzer posted:Pillman went into deep depression. He had the wrestling world by the balls and was about to sign a contract, most likely with WCW, and he was laying in a hospital bed and the doctors told him the ankle damage was so bad he would never wrestle again. He blamed himself for crashing his car and ruining everything he worked for, plus now he thought his career was over as well. The first thing he did was lie, to everyone, including me. He said as bad off as he was, the doctors said he would be able to wrestle and after healing, his ankle would be at 100%. He even said since it had been damaged for a decade, that it would actually be stronger after the surgery than it had been. To his shock, both McMahon and Bischoff were still after him, and he was downplaying the long-term effects to both of them. In the end, McMahon got him, because Bischoff, not fully trusting whether Pillman really was going to make a full recovery, offered more money, but wouldn't eliminate the standard 90-day termination cycle in the multi-year contract. When Bischoff wouldn't budge on the point, that was the difference maker. Creative and how he expected to be used played no part in the ultimate decision. It was only about insuring he'd have a job for the term of the contract if he couldn't perform in the ring. http://www.hack-man.com/Wrestling/NewsArticles/200610xx-Meltzer-Pillman.html Warning, this is a brutal read and just drives home how hosed the wrestling business is.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:So Dave was being worked here, yes? Doctors really told him that he should never wrestle again right? Pillman was working, but I believe that was after the second surgery when Pillman rushed back way too quickly.
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There was some other good bits, all from the 4/29/95 Observer:quote:This week's World Wide gaffe was airing a match with Luger vs. Kurosawa. In this match, Luger had Jimmy Hart in his corner (despite it being on the 3/24 PPV show when Luger said that Hart would no longer be in his corner), and Luger used the megaphone for the finish and worked as the heel in the match. The announcers in voice-overs didn't even make an attempt to explain what was going on in the framework of changing storylines. quote:Nitro on 4/22 in Albany, GA before 6,500 fans (3,800 paying $31,335) saw American Males over Public Enemy via DQ in 7:23 when they threw Scotty Riggs over the top rope. After the match, Enemy did the PE sandwich (both crashing onto Riggs, who was on a table on the floor, going through the table). Bagwell is the only one of the four whose offense looked even passable. *3/4; Chris Benoit pinned Eddie Guerrero holding the ropes in 7:42. The announcers buried this match, talking over even the near falls and big moves and instead talked about the Savage-Flair pairing at Battle Bowl. It was actually almost like watching three people doing a parody of being bad announcers. Jeez, they had Duggan vs. Meng which they could have ignored instead of these guys. It would have been a good match for anyone else, but considering who was involved it wasn't much. ***; Rob Garner, looking totally out of place, threatened Randy Savage with a suspension and Savage threatened to do the David Shults to Garner. Jim Duggan pinned Meng in 5:53 after knocking him out with the taped fist. 1/4*; Sting & Luger went to a no decision with Flair & Giant in 7:25. From a logic standpoint, the rules made less than no sense. It was explained that the tag titles were at stake, plus the TV title and the world title, but that Sting could also pin Luger or Giant could pin Flair and win their titles. Since it was a tag match, that made no sense and it should have been a four corners match with those rules, or they should have never said Giant could pin Flair and win the world title since it wasn't going to happen anyway and it made it sound like whomever came up with the idea and those who approved the idea were so loaded on drugs as to not have any clue. The match had super heat with Flair in most of the way doing all his typical stuff. Finish saw Woman give Flair the coffee (which she had been holding seemingly forever) and he tried to throw it at Sting or Luger, but it went in Giant's eyes instead. And then, for more logic, with Giant out of commission, either Sting or Luger should have had easy pickings beating Flair for the world title. So instead, they simply left the ring because they were scared of the blind Giant. Flair tried to placate The Giant, who wouldn't listen and they ended up issuing the challenges for the world title match.
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My favorite partquote:Here are a few things about Pancrase to think about.
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LordPants posted:My favorite part I am reading that thinking "I thought I read the Pancrase section, why don't I remember Dave saying this? Why is he saying it's a work now when he's been pretty consistent calling it mostly shoot... oh it's a reader's letter... JOE SILVA?"
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oatgan posted:"The UFC is actually fairly easy to get into and anyone can compete" Wasn't that sorta true in the early days, though? I remember back in the period where every show was a tourney, a lot of fake-rear end dudes who invented their own style would enter the tourney.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Wasn't that sorta true in the early days, though? I remember back in the period where every show was a tourney, a lot of fake-rear end dudes who invented their own style would enter the tourney.
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That Observer is mislabeled, and should be from 4/29/96, the time period we just passed in PSP-TV.
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Dave has hinted on Observer radio on a few occasions that Joe Silva subscribes/has subscribed.
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ChampRamp posted:Dave has hinted on Observer radio on a few occasions that Joe Silva subscribes/has subscribed. I remember Dave saying he and Silva were good friends.
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Silva has been on the Old Observer Radio a couple of times (One time he talks about watching pride and trying to "pick the work"), but Dana has forbid him from doing press now. I mean, Dana's a source of Dave's so I'd assume Silva would be too. 
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coconono posted:Disco Inferno and Lash Leroux were two guys whom I absolutely loved for no real reason. Thank you for saying that. I feel so much better now.
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I'm watching that Legendary Hulk No-Sell, and holy crap he does the worst Figure 4 attempt ever at 1:54. Like, it makes The Miz look competent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wakh3VoZmCw&t=112s
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Matlock posted:I'm watching that Legendary Hulk No-Sell, and holy crap he does the worst Figure 4 attempt ever at 1:54. Like, it makes The Miz look competent. This also features some incredible chairshots. Then he teases being rapey. Edit: Teasing a scoop slam on Mean Gene almost made it worth it. Name Change fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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Rad R. posted:Thank you for saying that. I feel so much better now. Don't worry, everyone who knows anything knows that Disco ruled. Even WWE finally added him to their illustrious alumni section: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/disco-inferno And they list the Chartbreaker as his finisher as should be, because gently caress The Disciple.
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Edit: gently caress I probably can't do tomorrow night now. Gotta reschedule GAB!
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MassRafTer posted:Edit: gently caress I probably can't do tomorrow night now. Gotta reschedule GAB! What a swerve!
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Russos at home right now crying that he didn't think to swerve on what day a ppv is happening.
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To celebrate this WCW swerve we should have a night dedicated to Russo's ultimate goal, wrestling without a ring. Junkyard Invitational, King of the Road, Graveyard, Monster Truck Sumo.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:To celebrate this WCW swerve we should have a night dedicated to Russo's ultimate goal, wrestling without a ring. Only one of those are Russos
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I am aware that Russo did not live up to his lofty goals.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I am aware that Russo did not live up to his lofty goals. He left that to his spiritual successors in ESW.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:To celebrate this WCW swerve we should have a night dedicated to Russo's ultimate goal, wrestling without a ring. Would the Shamrock/Owen Lions Den match count? Russo was writing for WWF when that happened.
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King of the Road owned, gently caress the haters.
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coconono posted:King of the Road owned, gently caress the haters. I didn't know you were a goon, Barry Darsow.
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Wrestling in non-conventional settings is cool: fact Next week I want to see the Wyatt's ambush someone in an Arby's.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:To celebrate this WCW swerve we should have a night dedicated to Russo's ultimate goal, wrestling without a ring. Was it Russo's influence that made the last(?) WCW video game take place entirely in the backstage area of an arena and never once in a wrestling ring?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Was it Russo's influence that made the last(?) WCW video game take place entirely in the backstage area of an arena and never once in a wrestling ring? That game was so bad. In fact, all the WCW games except for WCW/NWO Revenge and World Tour were pretty bad.
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Which was the WCW game that had like 100 guys in it with really lovely movesets? Thunder? I liked it because every single guy you beat the game with would unlock another guy
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rotinaj posted:That game was so bad. I remember reading a Nintendo Power that had a side-by-side comparison of WCW Backstage Assault and WWF No Mercy. The comparisons were night-and-day. No Mercy's review went something like "You can do ladder matches, Royal Rumbles, go backstage, do all sorts of things!" and WCW's review was basically "You fight in backstage arenas. There is no wrestling ring."
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WCW Mayhem was OK and got decent reviews at the time it came out, mostly due to a few innovations like backstage areas and better commentary(on Playstation) but it has aged horribly.
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triplexpac posted:Which was the WCW game that had like 100 guys in it with really lovely movesets? Thunder? Oh man, I remember renting Thunder and Nitro with a friend and both of us just being completely confused at it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_GOo5IcIxc Edit: haha how many drat times do I have to hear the NWO and Wolfpack themes, and even then, like 5 seconds of it... DOUBLE EDIT: And who can forget Benoit's rant? "Silent...but violent..." Quasipox fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 9, 2013 |
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Was Thunder the one where you did Street Fighter moves to do attacks?
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triplexpac posted:Which was the WCW game that had like 100 guys in it with really lovely movesets? Thunder? Nitro and Thunder were pretty much the same game except Thunder had an updated roster and the most half-assed steel cage match to ever exist in a video game.
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Pick me. Pick someone else. I don't care. Leave me alone.
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Endless Mike posted:Was Thunder the one where you did Street Fighter moves to do attacks? Yep, good luck remembering all that... http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/199289-wcw-nwo-thunder/faqs/4866 http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/199289-wcw-nwo-thunder/cheats Aw man, if I want to play as Mongo, I have to win a title as Benoit.
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Quasipox posted:Oh man, I remember renting Thunder and Nitro with a friend and both of us just being completely confused at it. Jericho, Kidman, the British Bulldog and Jim Neidhart were in a stable?  (I know, they just didn't want to bother putting their music in) Edit: The rants are amazing, especially the ones where the guy just doesn't get what the gently caress these things are supposed to be.
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