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sports posted:The difference is, with the MacBook Air you look at the exterior temp of 41* vs 90* exterior temp for the Clevo.
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LurkingAsian posted:It doesn't hit 90C exterior temperature, that would be absurd, and very dangerous. Since my hands are not melted from typing this post, I must assume its much less. The macbook air keyboard hits 47C under load, which is 116F, subjectively the clevo temperature is in the same ballpark.  " is retarded and will be sitting there with a sad face in a year when their computer mysteriously starts developing issues. No, none of those laptops top 90C externally. They can, will, and do top 90F externally, though, sometimes by a fair amount. Using a 110F+ keyboard for any amount of time is pretty uncomfortable unless you happen to be wearing gloves, and smaller laptops with oversized GPUs are notorious for that sort of nonsense.
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I'm setting up my mom's new T430 and had a couple of questions: 1. I told her to get the 1600x900 configuration, but now I'm worried that everything is too small for her eyesight, and the scaling option on display settings makes some things look terrible. Is there a good solution to this- or is 8.1 going to help and I should tell her to be patient? 2. If we switch out the HD for a SSD she already owns, will she have to put the original back in for service? Basically wondering if it's a bad idea to sell it.
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I'm looking for a laptop for my mother. I think she wants to spend about 600€. (We're in Belgium, so adjust pricing upwards accordingly...) Needs: -Surf the internet -Read e-mail -Play silly flash games on said internets -Read Word documents I guess? -Watch pictures/videos of the grandkids So basically nothing. What I think she needs: -Decent screen. Not huge, but not too small either. No insane resolution crammed into tiny pixels please, because of, um, senior citizen eyes. IPS if possible because the better viewing angles will help if her + children all want to look at pictures of the grandchildren together. -SSD. Death to long boot times! Doesn't have to be too large, but big enough to be comfortable. (Think of the pictures again...) -Not a lot of CPU. I don't see why a lot of processing power would be needed. She'll also need OS and antivirus licenses (where applicable, I dunno if Macs would be a good idea here and if those need any AV...), and maybe an Office license. Although I don't really know why she'd really need that. I think she could use a tablet actually, but she doesn't seem to think so. Probably the lack of a keyboard scares her. Any ideas on where to start looking?
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Further to my post ealier what is the threads opinion on the Dell XPS range, thinking of picking up a refurbished 14 inch.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I'm setting up my mom's new T430 and had a couple of questions: 1. Are you using the windows text scalar in "Control Panel\Appearance and Personalization\Display" ? 2. You shouldn't need to put the original back in to service the machine but you might want to look into getting a MSATA SSD and using that alongside with the original harddrive. uXs posted:I'm looking for a laptop for my mother. I think she wants to spend about 600€. (We're in Belgium, so adjust pricing upwards accordingly...) Take a look at a Chromebook, if she is comfortable stepping away from windows it could be perfect.
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Jul 11, 2013 13:35
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fookolt posted:That's a drat shame. It's killing me to wait; I think I'm just going to get a MacBook Air and resell it if I need to when the new hot poo poo comes out from Samsung/Asus. I'm coming up on 1 year of my Clevo/Sager and couldn't be happier
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Jul 11, 2013 13:47
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I'm setting up my mom's new T430 and had a couple of questions: 1. Display scaling in Windows has always been terrible and buggy. Probably this will not change much even with 8.1. 2. The hard-drive is considered a consumer replaceable part by Lenovo so it doesn't affect your warranty to mess with it and they don't really care.
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SurgicalOntologist posted:I'm setting up my mom's new T430 and had a couple of questions:
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sports posted:The difference is, with the MacBook Air you look at the exterior temp of 41* vs 90* exterior temp for the Clevo. InstantInfidel posted:That's not true at all. Their last SFF design, the W110ER, was 11.6" and used a much weaker graphics card and multiple reviews criticized it for being nearly 100F under load in contact areas like the touchpad. e: oh poo poo I didn't read this page before replying, sorry. butt dickus fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jul 11, 2013 |
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:90°C on the external usable parts seems unlikely, even in a ~*gaming laptop*~. Isn't that hot enough to deform plastic? I mean yeah, it does, but only under loads that seriously exceed what it was ever meant to do. The Clevo hits that doing things it was purpose-built to do.
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InstantInfidel posted:I mean yeah, it does, but only under loads that seriously exceed what it was ever meant to do. The Clevo hits that doing things it was purpose-built to do.
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BlackMK4 posted:http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/sys/3920441198.html
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Any thoughts on the HP Envy? I'm looking for something on the cheap side, the most strenuous game I play is Rift, which is more processor than graphics, and I don't worry much about graphics anyway. This would pretty much just move around inside my house, maybe an occasional vacation. Battery life and harsh conditions are not a concern. I'd probably be playing on an external monitor, if that matters. Would changing the HD to something SSD be a problem? HP offers some SSD acceleration cache, but I haven't payed attention to computer hardware for a decade and don't know if that's useful.
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Jul 11, 2013 15:58
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:But aren't those temperatures for both when they're running at full bore? Won't they both thermally throttle so they don't "exceed what they're meant to do"? I don't mean to say that a flaming hot keyboard is acceptable but if the device lets it happen isn't that normal operation? That is when they're running at their theoretical max, yes, but a Macbook Air was never designed to be a performance machine. While it can handle that level of heat for a while, it wasn't intended to do so for extended periods of time. I would expect a gaming laptop with the purpose of running its hardware as fast and hard as it can for hours on end to have much, much better thermals than one of the thinnest notebooks on the market.
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InstantInfidel posted:That is when they're running at their theoretical max, yes, but a Macbook Air was never designed to be a performance machine. While it can handle that level of heat for a while, it wasn't intended to do so for extended periods of time. I would expect a gaming laptop with the purpose of running its hardware as fast and hard as it can for hours on end to have much, much better thermals than one of the thinnest notebooks on the market.
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What I'm saying is that one laptop hits that temperature doing things it was never meant to do and the other hits those temperatures doing things it was "designed" to do for hours on end. It's not a perfect comparison, but I think it sort of makes sense.
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lampey posted:Its not a bad laptop, but I dont think it would be best for your use case. Thinkpads have better keyboards, build quality, available replacement parts. If you were using it somewhere the extra durability mattered it would be a great buy. Otherwise I would try for something with a newer cpu. What? It's $150. On used laptops, durability and ease of service is probably priority one. The only competition is a desktop and that's only because of the 24/7 requirement, and good luck finding one along with a monitor for that much.
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InstantInfidel posted:What I'm saying is that one laptop hits that temperature doing things it was never meant to do and the other hits those temperatures doing things it was "designed" to do for hours on end. It's not a perfect comparison, but I think it sort of makes sense.
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All right, it's my father's birthday coming up and my brother and I are going to buy him a new laptop. The usage for this will be: - Able to play Civilization 5 via Steam - General stuff of Internet, E-mails, etc. - Able to play Civilization 5 via Steam - Working with MS Office stuff for work - Able to play Civilization 5 via Steam Other criteria is as light as possible (less than 10 lbs.) and screen bigger than 15 inches. Money is not an object so please recommend away because I did searches on those Deal sites and I am overwhelmed with all kinds of ultrabooks.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:I'm also going to make a subjective blanket statement and say it's not possible to make one that's good. Really, it's "not possible to make one that's good and affordable. There are ways to deal with the thermal issues that could probably make the thing not suck, it would just likely make the thing too expensive.
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MeaningOfLife posted:- Able to play Civilization 5 via Steam 15" Retina Macbook Pro. Enjoy.
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bull3964 posted:Really, it's "not possible to make one that's good and affordable. ¹ again, subjective.
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My Dell outlet order was delayed 3 days.  I presume it is a prebuild machine in a box ready to go (returned, canceled order, whatever), how many days could it take to drop it in the mail?
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Weinertron posted:15" Retina Macbook Pro. Enjoy. Sorry, I should say my dad's a PC user only. Any Windows based ultrabook you would recommend for me to get?
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The T430 can be subjectively horrid but that doesn't stop this thread from recommending them out the wazoo
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It has objective problems, namely the screen quality and the poor GPU choices. However, the build quality, support, and thermals are all excellent, whereas Clevo sucks rear end at pretty much all three of those (the thermals on their massive 680M SLI machines are apparently pretty good, though).
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InstantInfidel posted:It has objective problems, namely the screen quality and the poor GPU choices. However, the build quality, support, and thermals are all excellent, whereas Clevo sucks rear end at pretty much all three of those (the thermals on their massive 680M SLI machines are apparently pretty good, though). Their thermals on just a regular single dGPU machine are very good.
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MeaningOfLife posted:Sorry, I should say my dad's a PC user only. Any Windows based ultrabook you would recommend for me to get? Razer Blade? The new one isn't too gaudy.
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Bob Morales posted:Razer Blade? The new one isn't too gaudy. $2500!?! What am I made out of money? I'm hoping to be in the $700 price range. I think I may just get the T430 that was suggested from earlier post.
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MeaningOfLife posted:$2500!?! What am I made out of money? I'm hoping to be in the $700 price range. MeaningOfLife posted:Money is not an object so please recommend away. Are there even any non-rugged laptops that weigh more than 10 pounds?
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Jul 11, 2013 18:22
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The Alienware 18, the Clevo P570WM.
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Doctor rear end in a top hat posted:$700 isn't really that much to spend. You could get a T530 for that which meets all of your requirements. Let's talk about this. Is Intel Core i3 sufficient enough for him to use it for another 5+ years or is it better to upgrade to i5 or even i7? For graphics card, is it necessary to get NVIDIA NVS 5400M Graphics with Optimus Technology, 1GB DDR3 Memory in order to run Civilization 5 smoothly? Most likely I'll get the RAM upgraded to 8 GB DDR3 - 1600MHz (2 DIMM) as it's not like he or anyone else will open up the laptop to add more RAMs. I'm definitely going to change the hard drive to 128GB Solid State Drive, SATA3.
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Get the i5 upgrade ($30) and at least the 1600x900 upgrade ($15). Get the Ultimate-N wireless upgrade ($40) if he's going to be on WiFi at all. You can save a lot of money by upgrading the RAM and SSD yourself. The HD 4000 graphics can play Civ 5, but maybe not at an acceptable frame rate. The 5400M is about on par with Haswell IGP, so there's a decent improvement, but maybe not $85 worth. e: The 1600x900 and 5400M upgrades used to be $50 each, so it looks like they've moved stuff around. It's still $100 to get them both.
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Delta-Wye posted:My Dell outlet order was delayed 3 days. I would think it would be built already, but I suppose you never know. Maybe they were double-checking the refurbish and found something wrong. Maybe they are incorrect about what they had in the inventory, and they are working to build something instead.
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Revol posted:I would think it would be built already, but I suppose you never know. Maybe they were double-checking the refurbish and found something wrong. Maybe they are incorrect about what they had in the inventory, and they are working to build something instead. It has a i7-3687, which is an odd feature for a XPS 12. It looked like a custom build already 
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MeaningOfLife posted:Sorry, I should say my dad's a PC user only. Any Windows based ultrabook you would recommend for me to get? No. They're all poo poo. The Thinkpad T440s will have an NVIDIA discrete graphics option? Get that, maybe.
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MeaningOfLife posted:$2500!?! What am I made out of money? I'm hoping to be in the $700 price range. I think I may just get the T430 that was suggested from earlier post. I think we should revisit what exactly you want before just throwing out a Thinkpad T-series recommendation. First you said money is no object, then you said that you want to spend $700 which is on the low end of decent laptops. Also, larger than 15" is absolutely gigantic and there are probably less than 5 laptops on the market that are not under ten pounds. Maybe instead of a huge laptop you could do a 13" or 14" laptop with an external monitor in the 22"-23" range? If playing Civilization is a huge priority, you really do want something a bit better than a 5400M.
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OK, so money is an object because I'm not going to spend $2500 on a gaming laptop when all he is playing is Civ5, not next generation FPS. But the priority is definitely a work / business laptop still. Price range of $700-$1200 would be more reasonable. I'm so scared about doing any upgrades myself so I think I'll just pay them for the RAM and SSD upgrade.
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15.6" is a pretty standard screen size that meets the "over 15"" requirement without being silly huge. Though I'd actually think twice about screen resolutions depending on your dad and how his eyesight is because most text-heavy games don't scale well to different DPIs.
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