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He is a lot of things, but I didn't get the impression that he is a Breivik-sympathizer from what he wrote. Quite the opposite, actually.
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Considering they say more about his murder conviction than what they arrested him for this time I'll say they have as much as cops usually have: zero. I'm sure they just don't want him there and this will let them work out something where they drop the "charges" and he goes back to norway.
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I think French authorities are upset that he's turned his back on black metal.
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It's not surprising he is being checked on by the authorities due to his violent history and past stockpiling of explosives and weapons. Also writing blog posts in comic sans is criminal. I think the French writer may have read the "linked to Breivik" kind of thing that gets bandied about, which tend to mean they are one of the people Breivik mass emailed his manifesto to. A Sloth fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 16:34
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A Sloth posted:Also writing blog posts in comic sans is criminal. That's actually Papyrus which admittedly is just as awful as Comic Sans
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He's a well known Breivik sympathizer, and after reading the stuff he's written and knowing his history it's obvious why they're keeping an eye on him and need to act when they buy a bunch of rifles before the two year anniversery of the july 22nd massacre. The man is a maniac and absolute scum.
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m-o-o-n posted:That's actually Papyrus which admittedly is just as awful as Comic Sans This font? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_(typeface) I think it is rendering as comic sans for me... a good substitute. 
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Jul 16, 2013 20:01
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m-o-o-n posted:That's actually Papyrus which admittedly is just as awful as Comic Sans Certainly not one of the proudest triumphs of the Norwegian criminal rehabilitation system, that man.
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This guy ain't Manson people. One dead douchebag does not a menace make.Groke posted:Certainly not one of the proudest triumphs of the Norwegian criminal rehabilitation system, that man. His only crime since he got out is the new synth album.
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Its hardly any thing to do with the murder 20 years ago anymore. Its more recent events, like escaping from probation with an automatic rifle and nearly a thousand bullets. I dont know what ideology he's into now. He's gone from being a satanist to a nazi but he might have finally found himself with in the extreme right wing and fascist viewpoints. Dont forget his growing symptoms of paranoid psychosis as he's convinced that several groups are out to kill him in an elaborate jewish conspiracy. This is the tipping point, together with the Breivik thing and that he's stockpiling guns and explosives while blogging about getting rid of the muslims. I just dont understand why he's getting so much sympathy just because he was a relevant musician ages ago. He's a ticking bomb. He'll never go back to Norway as he's under so much debt (close to 4 million pounds) so he'll just go some where else if he cant stay in france. euroboy fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jul 16, 2013 |
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Jul 16, 2013 21:23
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That's our Varg!  I honestly thought he had retired from crazy ideologies to do goofy cosplay in the woods and bad synth albums.
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Jul 16, 2013 21:28
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euroboy posted:I just dont understand why he's getting so much sympathy just because he was a relevant musician ages ago. He's a ticking bomb. Well, to a lot of people on tumblr, he just got relevant about a year ago. 
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I thought he had a massive stockpile of explosives when he was first arrested for the murder to? I wouldn't put it past him to start at it again.
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euroboy posted:Its hardly any thing to do with the murder 20 years ago anymore. Its more recent events, like escaping from probation with an automatic rifle and nearly a thousand bullets. But dude Euronymous was a dick or whatever
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Vikernes doesn't advocate using terrorism anywhere on his blog from what I've read. He does write a lot of anti-multicultural stuff. Many of France's politicians are very liberal and demand swift crackdowns on anyone they consider to be espousing white nationalism / Naziism / racism. It's very likely that he caught some overzealous politician's attention. The claims the article makes sound pretty laughable. quote:A warrant to search his farm has been issued, the police believing that he was “going to prepare for a massacre” (according to France 3). His wife, a member of a gun club, legally purchased some rifles, which means Vikernes was planning a "massacre"? I'm not sure who's more nutty, Varg or France's lefty politicians.
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The Clit Avoider posted:And the commercialisation of black metal grows ever stronger... So what are your thoughts on band tshirts? Patches? I mean, I just think of it as a little light-hearted thing. It's not commercialized nearly as much as it would be if you could pick up a Gorgoroth tee at Hot Topic or something.
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First Trayvon.. now Varg? There is no justice in this sick world.
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Gamma Nerd posted:So what are your thoughts on band tshirts? Patches? I mean, I just think of it as a little light-hearted thing. It's not commercialized nearly as much as it would be if you could pick up a Gorgoroth tee at Hot Topic or something. I think the "light-hearted" bit is where you went wrong. NO FUN/NO CORE/NO MOSH/NO TRENDS (or however it goes) and all that. Also, regarding the Varg arrest, it's annoying because it validates (in his mind at least) his paranoid neanderthal clan-of-the-cavebear fantasies about ZOG oppression. Also, because it leads people to talk about Varg, who, as others have pointed out, is supremely irrelevant. Hell, love them or hate them, Deafheaven are probably more relevant to contemporary black metal than Varg/Burzum.
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Deafheaven also make good music.
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TheIllestVillain posted:Deafheaven also make good music. Whoa I thought these were supposed to be the most troll-free forums on the internet.
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Anyone who thinks Varg agreed with Breivik and his actions should probably stop talking about him, because they're woefully under/mis-informed.Gamma Nerd posted:So what are your thoughts on band tshirts? Patches? I mean, I just think of it as a little light-hearted thing. It's not commercialized nearly as much as it would be if you could pick up a Gorgoroth tee at Hot Topic or something. Band t-shirts and patches are directly related to the actual music and allow people to directly show people what bands they believe have merit without discussion. A church candle is not - it's in the realms of Satyricon wine, Ghost dildos and other absolutely laughable merchandising which exists purely to part people with money. At least those two examples actually give people creating music (as little as i like it) the money. Which band is creating these candles? Commercialism. To come back to your patches question, it's like the people selling and buying pre-made patched jackets. Scene Parasites.
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The Clit Avoider posted:Satyricon wine Satyr's wine was labeled as Wongraven. Not Satyricon. I don't believe that was ever an attempt to greater commercialize the band off of his own name. I wouldn't lump Satyr into the same lot as the likes of Gene Simmons or Lars Ulrich just yet.
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The Clit Avoider posted:Anyone who thinks Varg agreed with Breivik and his actions should probably stop talking about him, because they're woefully under/mis-informed. I donno man, Breivik went to church before his massacre and Varg went to church before his arsons, that's pretty damning evidence.
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Baron Von Ghoulosh posted:Satyr's wine was labeled as Wongraven. Not Satyricon. I don't believe that was ever an attempt to greater commercialize the band off of his own name. I wouldn't lump Satyr into the same lot as the likes of Gene Simmons or Lars Ulrich just yet. I know that, but it was heavily promoted at Inferno festival and a lot was made of it around the net purely on the basis of his involvement. He was never mentioned by his own name in those press junkets of course, but as Satyr of Satyricon. And, yes, I do think motorhead/iron maiden beer is just as bad before anyone asks.
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deadking posted:Also, regarding the Varg arrest, it's annoying because it validates (in his mind at least) his paranoid neanderthal clan-of-the-cavebear fantasies about ZOG oppression. Also, because it leads people to talk about Varg, who, as others have pointed out, is supremely irrelevant. Hell, love them or hate them, Deafheaven are probably more relevant to contemporary black metal than Varg/Burzum. You may not like him but to call him irrelevant is idiotic. Burzum's influence on the black metal you actually DO like cannot be argued.
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Hey now, I never said I didn't like Burzum, I said I thought Varg was irrelevant. Let me try to clarify then: I think that as a musician and "intellectual" Varg has become irrelevant to black metal. In my opinion, nothing he's done during or since his stay in prison has had much more impact other than "Burzum's making music again!", and I say that as someone who kinda liked Fallen. It is indisputable that Burzum is one of the most, if not the most, influential bands in black metal, but unless we're going to let Varg coast because of Hvis Lyset Tar Oss etc., he's irrelevant nowadays. I think you can actually see this reflected in his fans; they're still banging on about how Euronymous was a communist who had it coming. Meanwhile nobody else gives a poo poo anymore.
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deadking posted:It is indisputable that Burzum is one of the most, if not the most, influential bands in black metal... he's irrelevant nowadays. Those statements are mutually exclusive. As long as bands persist in trying to emulate the sounds present on the self titled album, Aske, Hvis, Det Som and Filosofem, Burzum (and by extension Varg) will be relevant. Varg doesn't need to "coast" from Hvis. It's a bit like how Dissection is still probably the most influential band (if you take into account the spread of ideology as well as the music) from Sweden despite the fact Jon has been dead for 7 years now and it is almost 20 years since the peak of the band's output. [edit] As for "no one gives a poo poo anymore" - there's still plenty of musicians who'll loving batter you for wearing a Burzum t-shirt in their presence. Don't think just because the keyboard warriors on the internet have stopped caring everyone has. The Clit Avoider fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Jul 17, 2013 |
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Zodijackylite posted:I donno man, Breivik went to church before his massacre and Varg went to church before his arsons, that's pretty damning evidence.  Has any more news come out about this? You'd think it'd get out if he'd been charged with anything.
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From what Norwegian newspapers are writing it seems like he was arrested for three reasons: Hate speech on the Internet, possessing 5 weapons and because he received the Breivik manifesto directly from Breivik. No actual plans of a terrorist attack have been found. It seems like this was mostly a preventive arrest, which apparently is not uncommon in France. Edit: He can be held for up to 4 days without being charged with anything.
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Haeresiarchs of Dis, a somewhat unknown but high quality black metal one-man deal from California, has a new album coming out at the end of this month. His music is a very American take on Emperor's Nightside/Anthems era, somewhere between symphonic black metal and the slithering, diseased grittiness of something like Leviathan or Vrolok. One track has been released, though I should stipulate that HoD is much better experienced in the context of entire albums, as the songs alternate between the standard black metal form and ambient/martial/neo-folk. All in all, trippy stuff, even if this song won't be the best indicator of what I'm sure is to come. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqWR0jRRQPo The first half of the song was a little underwhelming to me -- it's good but nothing I haven't heard before from this artist -- but the second half is much better. Von Sloneker fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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The fact that he made some good/important albums does not cancel out the fact that he's a racist, murdering scumfuck. His "disagreement" with Breivik is that he wasn't loving racist enough, not that he thought that he was wrong about multiculturalism being bad or anything like that. This is from his response to Breivik:quote:Today we are on the offensive. For the first time in many decades. The Jews are unveiled as weak and powerless, and they lose more and more of their support in Europe. Every day thousands of Europeans wake up and see the true white light, and they see the true face of the backstabbing, treacherous, money-lending, murderous, coward, paedophile slaver-Jew. The tide has turned, and yet again Europe is about to rid itself of the eternal Jew and his destructive influence, like we have done so many times before as well. However, we must remember that as long as we or some of us embrace Christianity the Jew will be allowed to return, with all his evils, and we will again head for disaster. The final solution to this problem is not to kill anyone, but to raise our children with European ideals and values, and a European world view, and make sure that Christianity dies out when our coward parent generation dies out. With Christianity gone there will be no reason why the Satanic tribe of Judea should ever again gain any influence in Europe. EDIT: The part about letting Christianity die out is really obvious rear end covering, and the not killing anyone part is pretty lolsy coming from a dude who murdered another band member for not stroking his ego enough after he was brought in as a backup bassist. A Fancy 400 lbs fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jul 18, 2013 |
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Satanic Tribe of Judea sounds like a Grand Belial's Key album title.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:The fact that he made some good/important albums does not cancel out the fact that he's a racist, murdering scumfuck. His "disagreement" with Breivik is that he wasn't loving racist enough, not that he thought that he was wrong about multiculturalism being bad or anything like that. This is from his response to Breivik: Are you Aarseth's mother or something? Racial differences with Breivik aside, his philosophy is different. Varg is another brand of crazy, and whether you like it or not, isn't and hasn't been preaching death for quite some time. Breivik is just a racist, murdering plagiarist; Vikernes thinks himself an isolated subverter of cultural "decline". He never made anybody think that at all, it's a prevalent attitude that people will ignore the most horrific of crimes if they can find one/any redeeming factor about their perpetrator (see Bundy, Ted and marriage proposals, Polanski, Roman and a 13 year old, and the fascination a lot of people have with serial killers). This is hardly something exclusive to the metal community, and considering the sheer volume of socially disconnected who inhabit that subculture, it is something that could be argued to be quite inevitable. Varg's views aren't reflected in his music anyway; you want to get bent out of shape about a band? Try Woods of Infinity (who aren't racist... but I doubt anyone here will endorse what they believe in either), Arghoslent or Veles and Fullmoon (alongside half of Poland). Or if you prefer your racial ideology to be slightly more "high brow", Sigrblot. He wasn't the back-up bassist either, and considering he was the one who gave Dead the shells, his involvement in and around the band is clear despite revisionist history. I don't think anyone will ever know his reasons for killing Euro, but at the end of the day, he's spent nearly half his life in prison, I don't think he's in any hurry to return.
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The Clit Avoider posted:Varg's views aren't reflected in his music anyway; you want to get bent out of shape about a band? Try Woods of Infinity (who aren't racist... but I doubt anyone here will endorse what they believe in either), Arghoslent or Veles and Fullmoon (alongside half of Poland). Or if you prefer your racial ideology to be slightly more "high brow", Sigrblot. Argoslent is pretty drat good (as are Fanisk and Peste Noire). I have yet to come to peace with the ideology expressed by them (especially since I'm Jewish) but in this genre it is best not to take ideology 100% literally.
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Gamma Nerd posted:Argoslent is pretty drat good (as are Fanisk and Peste Noire). I have yet to come to peace with the ideology expressed by them (especially since I'm Jewish) but in this genre it is best not to take ideology 100% literally. If we're talking about good BM that peddles dubious ideology, Kaevum's Natur EP is excellent...
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This may or may not be the right place, so I apologize if it's not. I don't want to go through iTunes for digital purchases and I usually get my music the traditional way... a loving CD. It is difficult to impossible sometimes to listen to some of the European metal we're talking about short of pulling it up on youtube or spotify. And, when I do that, I still want to buy the music in some way to support the musicians I like. Is there a recommended digital outlet anyone here could recommend that I could buy from?
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Have you tried Amazon or Google Play?
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5er posted:This may or may not be the right place, so I apologize if it's not. I don't want to go through iTunes for digital purchases and I usually get my music the traditional way... a loving CD. It is difficult to impossible sometimes to listen to some of the European metal we're talking about short of pulling it up on youtube or spotify. And, when I do that, I still want to buy the music in some way to support the musicians I like. See if they have an option to buy from the band/artist website if you want to try to maximise the amount of money going to the guys making the music. That's becoming more and more common for a lot of bands.
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Verizian posted:Have you tried Amazon or Google Play? I didn't know they did that sort of thing. Stravinsky posted:See if they have an option to buy from the band/artist website if you want to try to maximise the amount of money going to the guys making the music. That's becoming more and more common for a lot of bands. That's reasonable. Thank you!
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Also bandcamp is what a lot of bands have been releasing on digitally. I know 95% of my music purchases have been through bandcamp in the past year or two.
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