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Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Comradephate posted:

Second, what's the preferred material for MCSA - Server 2012?

E: if these are questions that are in the thread 45 times just pretend I never asked them, as I realized too late that they probably are, disregard. I'll read the thread as I have time.
I don't know about preferred but definitely take a look at the Microsoft Study Group wiki. It has TechNet article links for each of the exam's skills objectives.

http://borntolearn.mslearn.net/certification/server/w/wiki/491.410-installing-and-configuring-windows-server-2012.aspx#fbid=ClTSTC-Q3kh

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keseph
Oct 21, 2010

beep bawk boop bawk
You may also like the videos at http://aka.ms/mcsa90. The video editing is pretty lackluster but the examples are far more concrete than the topic listings on the exam details.

smokmnky
Jan 29, 2009

Balthesar posted:

Good at everything but closing a project? Well you'll fit right in with all other PMs I've ever worked with.

Yeah, really it's more I'm not good at closing out contracts...so you know you can work for me, just don't be a contractor :downs:

Doug
Feb 27, 2006

This station is
non-operational.

The Third Man posted:

Can anyone recommend a good practice exam package for the 640-822/816?

I wouldn't recommend buying practice tests. The test itself costs nearly the same as what you'll pay for most practice tests and if you pass then it's done.

However, if you have the Odom Cisco Press book, the practice questions that come on the CD are good. Also the Cisco Learning Network has a few sets of practice questions that are good as well.

horchata
Oct 17, 2010
So I'm thinking of quitting my dead-end call center job and finally pursuing getting an A+ and N+ certification since I've always wanted to get into IT. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable when it comes to assembling/disassembling computers and basic troubleshooting. Should I bother taking classes or is buying a study guide and studying for the text all I really need. The only reason I ask is the adult school 5 minutes away offers classes for fairly cheap.

jane came by
Jun 29, 2013

by Fistgrrl

horchata posted:

So I'm thinking of quitting my dead-end call center job and finally pursuing getting an A+ and N+ certification since I've always wanted to get into IT. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable when it comes to assembling/disassembling computers and basic troubleshooting. Should I bother taking classes or is buying a study guide and studying for the text all I really need. The only reason I ask is the adult school 5 minutes away offers classes for fairly cheap.

Those certs are fairly easy to get, and I got them within the past year and actually have had trouble finding good work with just them alone, but perhaps you'll have more luck with your call-center experience. In any case, as I said, they're fairly easy certs to get and you can self-train easily, but if you need a class to stay focused then by all means do so. Solo study can be so boring.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

horchata posted:

So I'm thinking of quitting my dead-end call center job and finally pursuing getting an A+ and N+ certification since I've always wanted to get into IT. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable when it comes to assembling/disassembling computers and basic troubleshooting. Should I bother taking classes or is buying a study guide and studying for the text all I really need. The only reason I ask is the adult school 5 minutes away offers classes for fairly cheap.

I've got 2.5 years of upper end call center experience and my N+ has so far netted me no interviews. Still, working 40 hours a week with a 7 month old and taking 9 credit hours a semester (non IT related) I finished the N+ in 3 months.

I'm on CCENT now, hoping it takes 3 months, then full CCNA 3 months after that. It gives you enough time to study and practice without burdening your schedule.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh


I've got 640-822 tomorrow. Getting nervous and poo poo.

Balthesar
Sep 4, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Balthesar posted:

Anyone have tips for the VCP-510 exam? I only have materials for the vanilla VCP5 exam (Mastering vSphere 5 and the CBT Nuggets) - is this still heavily focused on licensing and maximums like ram and disk sizing?

I wrote the VCP yesterday and passed with a 363 (300 passing). There was barely anything about limits. For anyone studying be sure you know how upgrading to vSphere 5 impacts VMFS volumes. Also storage and network IO control are featured heavily.

Woo!

Haydez
Apr 8, 2003

EVIL LINK

Jedi425 posted:

Let us know how IPS looks; I have to choose between that and VPN next, and we don't use IPS modules on ASAs at all where I work, so it's going to be a bear to study for.

I passed IPS (642-627) a couple days ago. The test wasn't bad at all. I'm pretty sure anyone that can understand English could pass the simulation.

The only thing I think I didn't do well one was the stupid little stuff I didn't even think to memorize. (e.g. knowing the capabilities of specific models of IPS devices - something any sane person would just say hold on a second and let me look it up in 2 seconds.)


I didn't realize almost every freaking CCNP Security level exam gives one of those "specialist" titles.

SECURE gives Cisco IOS Security Specialist
FIREWALL gives Cisco Firewall Specialist
IPS gives Cisco IPS Specialist
and apparently if you pass FIREWALL and VPN you get Cisco ASA Specialist. And they expire every 2 years (not renewed with taking any CCNP/CCIE exam, you have to take that specific exam) so needless to say I'm not renewing those.

I only have VPN left for my CCNP Security. I got my first baby on the way at the beginning of next month so I'm going balls to the wall, but I think the baby is going to win.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh


Passed ICND1 640-822 with a 950/1000. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Going to take the night off, and jump right back into studying for the 640-816.

e: Also, weirdly enough time wasn't much of a problem for me. Had like 40 or so minutes remaining at the end.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


Erkenntnis posted:

Passed ICND1 640-822 with a 950/1000. Wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Going to take the night off, and jump right back into studying for the 640-816.

e: Also, weirdly enough time wasn't much of a problem for me. Had like 40 or so minutes remaining at the end.

Is this the old one or the new one?

Protokoll
Mar 28, 2003

Here we go Lina.
Here we go Lina.
COME ON, LINA!

Tab8715 posted:

Is this the old one or the new one?

The old one; the new tests are 100-101, 200-101 and 200-120.

The Cisco Press SWITCH OCG is abysmal. It is by far the worst reference text I have ever read. I've all but abandoned it in favor of labs and the INE videos. I have a question about TSHOOT -- is there any material that isn't covered in ROUTE/SWITCH that is tested on TSHOOT? If I have a good working knowledge of the material covered by the former exams, I shouldn't really need to study anything new, right?

Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Haydez posted:

only have VPN left for my CCNP Security. I got my first baby on the way at the beginning of next month so I'm going balls to the wall, but I think the baby is going to win.
The first 2-4 weeks of baby havin' aren't too bad as both baby and mother tend to sleep a lot. It's even easier if you've got family to help. After that though...

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
Scheduled ROUTE (again) for two Saturdays from now. So here's hoping that I don't wind up flushing another $200 down the drain.

workape
Jul 23, 2002

Protokoll posted:

The old one; the new tests are 100-101, 200-101 and 200-120.

The Cisco Press SWITCH OCG is abysmal. It is by far the worst reference text I have ever read. I've all but abandoned it in favor of labs and the INE videos. I have a question about TSHOOT -- is there any material that isn't covered in ROUTE/SWITCH that is tested on TSHOOT? If I have a good working knowledge of the material covered by the former exams, I shouldn't really need to study anything new, right?

Correct, it is more about practical application and if you really understand the material that is being presented. If you know the material you should fly through it quickly and without issue. It's one thing for you to know that AS Path filters use regex for filtering, it's a whole different matter to know how to write the filter to ensure that you aren't a transit AS without affecting any other functionality.

GOOCHY
Sep 17, 2003

In an interstellar burst I'm back to save the universe!

psydude posted:

Scheduled ROUTE (again) for two Saturdays from now. So here's hoping that I don't wind up flushing another $200 down the drain.

Good luck. I'm going to try to take it later on this Fall, I think. I'm still in that post CCNA, "I don't want to study anymore" funk.

A brand new baby daughter and new gig doesn't help that ambition.

along the way
Jan 18, 2009
Passed the ICND2 again last week to renew my CCNA and now I'm looking into the MCSA 2012 certification.

I picked up the new Sybex book for it, but haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I really liked Sybex for CCNA and it has good reviews so far, so I figured I'd check it out. What else should I be using in conjunction with the Sybex book though?

I'm looking into the free TechNet articles and CBT Nuggets. Will a full TechNet subscription get me access to Windows Server, other MS software, and additional training or can I get by just using regular TechNet and CBT?

MrBigglesworth
Mar 26, 2005

Lover of Fuzzy Meatloaf
If you are a student, look into the Dreamspark stuff. Lots of freebies for download and testing.

Haydez
Apr 8, 2003

EVIL LINK

Return Of JimmyJars posted:

The first 2-4 weeks of baby havin' aren't too bad as both baby and mother tend to sleep a lot. It's even easier if you've got family to help. After that though...

I was planning on using my paid family leave to jump start on the CISSP to. My newborn better enjoy being put to sleep by me reading Shon Harris' book to him! (He'll be 2 months or so when I take my time off after my wife, so I probably won't get anything done.)

smokmnky
Jan 29, 2009

Haydez posted:

I was planning on using my paid family leave to jump start on the CISSP to. My newborn better enjoy being put to sleep by me reading Shon Harris' book to him! (He'll be 2 months or so when I take my time off after my wife, so I probably won't get anything done.)

as the parent of a 18mo old I can tell you that the first few weeks you will not be studying. You'll be dealing with no sleep and basically freaking out just trying not to mess up and keep the baby from doing anything terrible to itself. Seriously I can not overstate how little sleep you'll actually be getting for months with a new baby.

BulimicGoat
Mar 19, 2007
Passed the 702 today.


How's everyone's dot-matrix printers holding up?

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

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Ultra Carp
So I'm currently going through WGU's IT program, and my next cert is MS' 98-349. I'm assuming that this is a joke that I'll pass just by looking at it, someone I talked to compared it to the CIW Web Foundations test in difficulty which was ridiculously easy. I suppose I'll just schedule and take it and get through my program that much faster. I can see why people say you can get through this degree pretty quickly if you're already working in IT, but man it'll be nice getting into more challenging content at some point.

DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality
If know if you choose a network administration emphasis you'll eventually be working on the CCNA. Wow looking at just bachelor's that is really simple. You'll need to move network administration if want some challenge. For network administration I see the CCNA, and MCSA certs listed. Your idea might not be bad though just to breeze though a B.S degree.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

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Ultra Carp

DropsySufferer posted:

If know if you choose a network administration emphasis you'll eventually be working on the CCNA. Wow looking at just bachelor's that is really simple. You'll need to move network administration if want some challenge. For network administration I see the CCNA, and MCSA certs listed. Your idea might not be bad though just to breeze though a B.S degree.

I should have specified; I'm in the it security program so there's at least a ccna in there eventually.

Would it be worth it to go grab the net+ on my own or would that look redundant next to a ccna?

DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality

Lunaris posted:

I should have specified; I'm in the it security program so there's at least a ccna in there eventually.

Would it be worth it to go grab the net+ on my own or would that look redundant next to a ccna?

Net+ would be redundant and almost worthless compared to the CCNA, and an bigger waste if you're spending your own money. Net+ is basically just an overview of the CCENT/ICND1 portion of the CCNA. I'd only recommend it if you were required to pass net+.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

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Ultra Carp

DropsySufferer posted:

Net+ would be redundant and almost worthless compared to the CCNA, and an bigger waste if you're spending your own money. Net+ is basically just an overview of the CCENT/ICND1 portion of the CCNA. I'd only recommend it if you were required to pass net+.

That was my thinking too, but I got into an argument with someone today about how Net+ was equal to a CCNA. His argument was that if the company doesn't use cisco that they'd rather see a Net+, my argument was if you have a CCNA you should be able to walk through Net+ and any employer should know that.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
If your program gives you a CCNA there's no reason to get a N+. Get a S+ instead.

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Sep 26, 2007

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Ultra Carp

psydude posted:

If your program gives you a CCNA there's no reason to get a N+. Get a S+ instead.

I'm good there, program includes sec+.

along the way
Jan 18, 2009
Yeah, I have both the Net+ and CCNA (ICND1/2) and I can confirm the (soon-to-be) old CCENT material is basically Net+ with some additional Cisco specific topics. Don't waste your time with Net+ if you're getting the CCNA.

Just got the Sybex MCSA 2012 book in and its very well organized and readable. Breaks down the exam topics by chapters so you can focus only on what you need. Given the overlapping nature of the topics though, I'll probably just read the entire thing and start testing.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

along the way posted:

Yeah, I have both the Net+ and CCNA (ICND1/2) and I can confirm the (soon-to-be) old CCENT material is basically Net+ with some additional Cisco specific topics. Don't waste your time with Net+ if you're getting the CCNA.

Just got the Sybex MCSA 2012 book in and its very well organized and readable. Breaks down the exam topics by chapters so you can focus only on what you need. Given the overlapping nature of the topics though, I'll probably just read the entire thing and start testing.

Then again if you're like me and going 0 to certified, the Net+ is a great way to get an introductory overview of the topics you'll learn more about down the road. For me it was a great Network 101 study which is making the CCENT so much easier since I'm basically only learning Cisco commands and reviewing everything else.

along the way
Jan 18, 2009

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Then again if you're like me and going 0 to certified, the Net+ is a great way to get an introductory overview of the topics you'll learn more about down the road. For me it was a great Network 101 study which is making the CCENT so much easier since I'm basically only learning Cisco commands and reviewing everything else.

Yeah, that's also true. I did Net+ because it was my first certification and it was good as a broad overview along with removing the first-cert-test jitters by the time the CCENT rolled around. So, there is that.

If time or money is a concern though, I'd still just study the extra Cisco material and go for the CCENT.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
Yeah, I'm not knocking getting a N+ if you're looking for exposure to networking and need to land a job. I'm just advising that anyone who is already employed or in a degree/training program that includes the CCENT/CCNA save the money they'd spend on the N+ and put it toward lab equipment and study materials.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
Having job experience is definitely worth more than the N+ so I get what you're saying.

My aunt's friend is a project manager for a networking company and is guiding me along which certifications to get in order to land a job the fastest. She advised the N+ as network 101 to make the CCNA easier. Upon nearing the end of the N+ I started looking at jobs, and asked "Is the A+ worth picking up?" She said not to waste my time, the CCNA will land me a job I want and the A+ will land me in Hell Desk where I would work up to that job I want.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
This topic almost requires a trigger warning, but in general sense a CCNA may be enough for you to skip helldesk and go straight to a desktop/junior admin role. Maybe.

I'd still look into a part time job fixing computers somewhere just to get something on your resume.

jane came by
Jun 29, 2013

by Fistgrrl

Judge Schnoopy posted:

Having job experience is definitely worth more than the N+ so I get what you're saying.

My aunt's friend is a project manager for a networking company and is guiding me along which certifications to get in order to land a job the fastest. She advised the N+ as network 101 to make the CCNA easier. Upon nearing the end of the N+ I started looking at jobs, and asked "Is the A+ worth picking up?" She said not to waste my time, the CCNA will land me a job I want and the A+ will land me in Hell Desk where I would work up to that job I want.

I've had difficulty securing a help desk job with the A+ and Network+ as someone with no experience in the field. For me, Hell Desk sounds nice. And I live in an area where IT is huge. Just fyi.

A lot of people think get basic certs ----> easy to find job but that really isn't the case.

Beware.

jane came by fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Aug 5, 2013

DropsySufferer
Nov 9, 2008

Impractical practicality
^
Yeah the comptia certs just barely helped me get a help desk job and it wasn't easy so don't expect that from a having few extremely basic certs.

QuiteEasilyDone
Jul 2, 2010

Won't you play with me?
Basic certs means that you just won't be summarily rejected without requisite experience at Entry Level job

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
For people who are still in school full time, it's usually best to look at the IT department there for helpdesk/desktop openings. A lot of them will hire full-time workers for the summer to do new equipment deployments since the higher education fiscal year ends on June 30th (this is how I got my start). You can also usually find a job at the helpdesk without any prior IT experience or certifications.

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Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

jane came by posted:

I've had difficulty securing a help desk job with the A+ and Network+ as someone with no experience in the field. For me, Hell Desk sounds nice. And I live in an area where IT is huge. Just fyi.

A lot of people think get basic certs ----> easy to find job but that really isn't the case.

Beware.

Finding a decent job in a field you don't have on the job experience isn't what I would call easy. Its probably that case in a lot of places.

Certs aren't always a magic bean. The knowledge given by the coursework however can be extremely useful if you take the time to try to master it.

Doing the CCNA coursework and passing has value. Doing the CCNA coursework and mastering it to the best of your ability (home lab equipment, reading networking news, ETC) has even more. The latter is ALWAYS more rare to find and its exactly what companies are looking for. The latter can't be dumped or faked when it counts.

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