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Tollymain posted:Wait you can keep undead inside of a bag of holding? It's also been established in setting that this is possible, as Haley suggested it to Belkar when they were fleeing Azure City with Roy's corpse (they didnt because he was afraid it would activate his mark of justice).
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Durkon's as an unundead had a natural Str of around 14, right? As a vampire, how hard is he smacking the unarmored, already hurt drow wizard there?
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Aug 4, 2013 02:26
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Calaveron posted:Durkon's as an unundead had a natural Str of around 14, right? As a vampire, how hard is he smacking the unarmored, already hurt drow wizard there? Vampire is +6 strength, so he's hitting for less than Roy would.
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Aug 4, 2013 02:37
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fool_of_sound posted:Vampire is +6 strength, so he's hitting for less than Roy would. But still reasonably hard considering he likely didn't have a terrible Strength to begin with. That being said a quarter staff only does 1d6 damage. Even accounting for the staff being magical, Z can't have taken more than 15~ish damage max. Wizards are fragile, Z and V both probably only have between 40-50 HP, but after taking a few rocks to the face Z might be getting pretty low. If it was a crit it would be 30~ish damage which is a lot more dangerous.
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Aug 4, 2013 03:40
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He did go everywhere in full platemail, with a big fuckoff hammer and shield. I imagine his str score is decent.
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Aug 4, 2013 03:46
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The real question is if he has power attack, I guess.
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Aug 4, 2013 03:50
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^^^^^ Pretty unlikely. Power Attack is really only useful for people with full base attack and a two-handed weapon. He probably had a 14-16 Str, which would now be a 20-22. So that's +5 or +6 damage modifier from strength. If he rolled max damage and the staff counted as a +5 weapon (And it probably isn't), that's Who What Now fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Aug 4, 2013 |
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Aug 4, 2013 03:52
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So yeah Durkon is hitting hard, but he's no Roy.
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Aug 4, 2013 03:57
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Who What Now posted:^^^^^ The staff is a two-handed weapon so it gets strength and a half.
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Aug 4, 2013 04:03
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I overlooked that because I was thinking about the quarterstaff being a double-weapon. 
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Aug 4, 2013 04:26
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So how long does Protection from Daylight last, about a day? I'm trying to figure out how long Durkon has to get his poo poo together, even with the staff as backup. Even with fast healing, does he require sleep or some mandatory period of downtime at all, or will briefly trancing/meditating replenish spells (deity to be determined later)? I can also picture the following two gags if he rejoins the Order: 1. Belkar surrounding himself and Mr. Scruffy in garlic and claims he's had it because he's a chef 2. Durkon borrowing Girard's sarcophagus, leading to everyone bitching about hauling it across the desert (...which makes me wonder once again if there was any significance to those bone bits or whatever falling out in #905)
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Aug 4, 2013 07:55
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Malack always prepared it twice, once for regular casting and once to be safe, so it probably lasts 24 hours.
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Aug 4, 2013 08:08
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Probably an hour per level or so is more likely. If Malack was even as low as 13th level, the bare minimum to cast the Harm spell that he used, those 13 hours should be sufficient for his needs as long as he's careful. And if he's higher level than that it would have been even easier. Durkon should have well past nightfall with the casting he got from Malack, so he's good until tomorrow's dawn at the very least.
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Aug 4, 2013 10:25
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I'd say it's another branch of the Energy Immunity spell. That protects you completely from one element and lasts 24 hours. It's not that much of a stretch to include "Sunlight" along with the elements you can pick.
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Aug 4, 2013 12:27
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Slashrat posted:Just because [Mass Death Ward] is now redundant for Durkon (it doesn't impair him in any way) doesn't lessen its usefulness for whoever Durkon ends up allied with. If he did cast it, would he still be able to heal himself with Harm while it was in effect?
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Aug 4, 2013 13:56
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Suaimhneas posted:If he did cast it, would he still be able to heal himself with Harm while it was in effect? When he cast MDW on himself and Belkar, some people hoped he would have been smart enough to extend it to Malack too, precisely to deny him the ability to self-heal (although he would have got a saving throw against it).
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Aug 4, 2013 14:04
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I only just now realized that in the last strip, Nale is ripping off Malack's robe's to expose him to the sun. Totally didn't get that.
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Aug 5, 2013 16:12
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What if Durkon's replacement in the Order was a newly True Resurrected Malack? Yeah, no way that would happen, his story is over, but man that would be interesting.
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Aug 5, 2013 16:19
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greatn posted:What if Durkon's replacement in the Order was a newly True Resurrected Malack? Not really? It's not interesting for the exact reasons you say it's not gonna happen. Malack-sans-Vampiricness is a completely different person than the Malack we knew and has less to do with the cast or plot that Vampire Malack.
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Aug 5, 2013 19:10
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Not really? It's not interesting for the exact reasons you say it's not gonna happen. Malack-sans-Vampiricness is a completely different person than the Malack we knew and has less to do with the cast or plot that Vampire Malack. I know, that's what makes him interesting to me. I wonder what he was like before, and what it would be like for someone to suddenly be alive 200 years later in the aftermath of deeds by a guy who was very much like him but not him. It doesn't really fit the rest of the story though. It's something I would pick if I had won a kickstart award. It would beat the keystone cops for sure.
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Aug 5, 2013 19:19
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greatn posted:It would beat the keystone cops for sure. Or Therkla, the slightly-shunned half-orc who went to ninja school and killed her way to the top before accepting mercenary work for Kubota. That's all the backstory I needed. If I had oodles of disposable income I probably would've picked an actual explanation of how Haley, Celia, and Belkar got Roy's bone golem corpse back simply because they implied they never wanted to speak of it again.
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Aug 5, 2013 20:06
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TunaSpleen posted:If I had oodles of disposable income I probably would've picked an actual explanation of how Haley, Celia, and Belkar got Roy's bone golem corpse back simply because they implied they never wanted to speak of it again. It's in the print edition; the only detail I've heard about it is that Crystal repeatedly tried to kill Haley during the mission.
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Aug 5, 2013 20:09
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TunaSpleen posted:Or Therkla, the slightly-shunned half-orc who went to ninja school and killed her way to the top before accepting mercenary work for Kubota. That's all the backstory I needed. If I had oodles of disposable income I probably would've picked an actual explanation of how Haley, Celia, and Belkar got Roy's bone golem corpse back simply because they implied they never wanted to speak of it again. It's a bonus strip in the print compilation "Don't Split the Party."
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Aug 5, 2013 20:09
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TunaSpleen posted:Or Therkla, the slightly-shunned half-orc who went to ninja school and killed her way to the top before accepting mercenary work for Kubota. That's all the backstory I needed. If I had oodles of disposable income I probably would've picked an actual explanation of how Haley, Celia, and Belkar got Roy's bone golem corpse back simply because they implied they never wanted to speak of it again. They basically just raided the old man's house and stole the golem. It's not a hugely interesting tangent or anything.
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Aug 5, 2013 20:32
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I think you're underselling it. I was quite amused by Crystal's complete incompetence at trying to kill Haley "by accident". True, it's not deep or really required reading or anything, save in how it spurs Haley's decision to kill Crystal and steal her stuff but that's why it's bonus material. If anything that's a problem with Start of Darkness because there really is mission critical data to be found in there.
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Aug 5, 2013 21:30
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jng2058 posted:I think you're underselling it. I was quite amused by Crystal's complete incompetence at trying to kill Haley "by accident". True, it's not deep or really required reading or anything, save in how it spurs Haley's decision to kill Crystal and steal her stuff but that's why it's bonus material. If anything that's a problem with Start of Darkness because there really is mission critical data to be found in there. Eh, the big reveal in Start of Darkness was covered by the comic pretty recently.
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Aug 5, 2013 22:58
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Glory of Arioch posted:Eh, the big reveal in Start of Darkness was covered by the comic pretty recently.
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Aug 5, 2013 23:57
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Well, that answered the Roy question quickly enough.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:08
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Don't you mean NOOTS?
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Aug 6, 2013 02:11
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What he means is  new comic!edit: Beaten like a drow wizard.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:11
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Welp, fair well dark elf. I thought it might happen but drat, that was cold. I'm not up on my rules really, is it possible for vampire Durkon to get spells that can heal the living?
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Aug 6, 2013 02:11
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Gally posted:Welp, fair well dark elf. I thought it might happen but drat, that was cold. I'm not up on my rules really, is it possible for vampire Durkon to get spells that can heal the living? Yes, but he probably didn't prepare any, since he's used to being able to spontaneously cast them.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:12
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Gally posted:Welp, fair well dark elf. I thought it might happen but drat, that was cold. I'm not up on my rules really, is it possible for vampire Durkon to get spells that can heal the living? I think the joke is that now Durkon spontaneously casts Inflict spells instead of Cure spells. If he wants to heal he now has to specifically prepare Cure spells.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:15
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Yeah. It's not a deep joke, but it is the single largest change to Durkon's whole class situation.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:18
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Hopefully this means we'll get one strip next explaining Durkon's diety situation and be done with that question.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:19
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The real question is, how long before the GITP forums start  about how saying "Cure Moderate Wounds" with a spontaneous conversion should result in a fizzle instead of Inflict, since IMW still has a verbal component?
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Aug 6, 2013 02:21
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Roy was pretty low on health, wasn't he? He might be out of the fight now. Can they defeat the Sand Elemental with Durkon's help?
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Aug 6, 2013 02:22
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Roy willfully and knowingly hangs out with Belkar so OF COURSE he would have no problem hanging out with a vampired Durkon, who he at least likes and views as his best friend.
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Aug 6, 2013 02:24
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And, in one panel, the whole alignment debate w/r/t Durkon is solved forever so we never ever have to talk about it again.
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Dolash posted:Roy was pretty low on health, wasn't he? He might be out of the fight now. Can they defeat the Sand Elemental with Durkon's help? Considering Durkon appears to be fighting incredibly effectively and ruthlessly I think they will be fine. Other fun fact, according to Rich on the forums (I was curious if anyone was  enough to complain about the rules of spontaneous casting) says it's because he is a vampire cleric (as they always channel Negative energy).
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