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MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

Deadbeat Dad posted:

The real interview will secretly be on the Grantland youtube, with Jalen Rose lending Doc Rivers his bat.

Also, just inquiring, but what are the rules as far as inquiring on SA for people that want to write for fun/submit good columns for a (non-profit) website? I had an old (year old) website with a nice template / scheme that I wasn't using (aka not a lovely wordpress blog) and wanted to start up something for fun with people that enjoy writing. I don't know if this is the place, but anyway, it's pretty brand spanking new and I thought I'd just extend the offer to goons that like/are good at writing to have a soapbox of sorts. I'll edit this out if it isn't allowed, but yeah!

It will inevitably die within weeks, but feel free to try.

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Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

MourningView posted:

It will inevitably die within weeks, but feel free to try.
Hey, just because every other goon project outside of a scat porn donation drive has failed miserably doesn't mean this one will too!

Deadbeat Dad
Jun 3, 2005

the trad games jinho

Thaddius the Large posted:

Hey, just because every other goon project outside of a scat porn donation drive has failed miserably doesn't mean this one will too!

Well, there is (and was) no intention in mind to start it as a goon project, just if there was goons that wanted to contribute content in some way. Either way it's fine, just extending the offer out there!

Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.

MourningView posted:

It will inevitably die within weeks, but feel free to try.

I got probated for saying this once. Just as true as its ever been though.

oldfan
Jul 22, 2007

"Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball."

Thaddius the Large posted:

Hey, just because every other goon project outside of a scat porn donation drive has failed miserably doesn't mean this one will too!

There is an actual mass marketed Millville Meteor baseball card coming soon!

midwat
May 6, 2007

Thaddius the Large posted:

Hey, just because every other goon project outside of a scat porn donation drive has failed miserably doesn't mean this one will too!

Are you claiming The Zybourne Clock was anything but an unmitigated success?

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Deadbeat Dad posted:

Well, there is (and was) no intention in mind to start it as a goon project, just if there was goons that wanted to contribute content in some way. Either way it's fine, just extending the offer out there!

Sure, that could be fun. What did you have in mind?

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

#1 Pelican Fan

Declan MacManus posted:

Sure, that could be fun. What did you have in mind?

I have no stake in Deadbeat Dad's website but something related to the NBA draft threads you make every year could be interesting. I know you pull opinions from a bunch of scouting and pre-draft websites and amalgamate them into the OP, but maybe there is something you can write on regarding that? I just know I always enjoy those threads.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?
Declan and I are going to join forces and destroy NBAdraft.net, he can't just give that poo poo away for free.

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!

Deadbeat Dad posted:

Well, there is (and was) no intention in mind to start it as a goon project, just if there was goons that wanted to contribute content in some way. Either way it's fine, just extending the offer out there!

Sorry if I came off as anything other than being a passing smartass comment, it's a cool offer and I do enjoy reading other goons takes on sports, you people tend to be pretty smart about this stuff. Also, Zybourne Clock was an unquestionable success, just not in any way I think the creators intended.

uublog
Jul 19, 2012

"World Champions. WORLD FUCKING CHAMPIONS." - Chase Utley, October 31, 2008; Broad Street, Philadelphia, PA

jeffersonlives posted:

There is an actual mass marketed Millville Meteor baseball card coming soon!

Link?!?

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

So, I don't care much about NASCAR but still thought this was a good bit of journalism http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/7/30/4567960/dick-trickle-suicide-nascar-profile

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Panini America is doing it.



http://paniniamerica.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/panini-america-offers-extended-first-look-at-2013-hometown-heroes-baseball/

uublog
Jul 19, 2012

"World Champions. WORLD FUCKING CHAMPIONS." - Chase Utley, October 31, 2008; Broad Street, Philadelphia, PA

oh wow that's the greatest

here's something that's not the greatest (how's that for a segue...) apparently Breitbart Sports is a thing! And much to the surprise of absolutely no one it's awful! Today some guy there came up with some dumb bullshit he's called "Value Add":

John Pudner posted:

...a much more accurate measure than WAR for evaluating the value of starting pitchers by analyzing every start. A solid starting pitcher has only a 21 percent chance of getting his team a win if he needs an ERA of 1.00 to 1.99 for the game, but if his team gets him just one more run he has a 63 percent chance of winning. The simple "Runs Support" models simply do not work.

The Formula!

quote:

To win, he needs to stay below an "ERA Needed" in each game, which is the total of: His team's offensive runs that day MINUS unearned runs allowed by his defense MINUS relief runs allowed, DIVIDED BY his innings pitched TIMES nine.

Here's the Top 10 this season:

quote:

1, Patrick Corbin, Arizona Diamondbacks, 12.56.
2, Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers, 10.51.
3, Bartolo Colon, Oakland Athletics, 9.94.
4, Max Sherzer, Detroit Tigers, 9.83.
5, Jordan Zimmermann, Washington Nationals, 9.58.
6, Adam Wainwright, St. Louis Cardinals, 9.30.
7, Mat Latos, Cincinnati Reds, 8.62.
8, Jorge De La Rosa, Colorado Rockies, 8.59.
9, Matt Harvey, New York Mets, 8.48.
10, Hiroki Kuroda, New York Yankees, 8.45.

Other fun quotes: "We ran this formula on 2,157 starts this year by pitchers who were part of their team's four man rotation, so these numbers do not include the poorest pitchers (No. 5 starters, spot starters, or fill-ins)."

"A pitcher is credited with a "victory" if he either gets the "Win," or if he pitches at least five innings and his team wins."

"This [...] has played out [...] since I introduced it in the New York Post more than 20 years ago, and it continues to measure the one position player that WAR cannot."

(my brain exploded a few times sometimes between those two)

I'm so glad we've finally found someone worse than Dave Cameron analytically. Unless Cameron is thinking up a way to top this right now... :allears:

Super Jay Mann
Nov 6, 2008

Hey now, that's unfair to Dave Cameron. Cameron at least asks the right questions and runs the right numbers most of the time, he just draws all the wrong conclusions.

This guy's premise is worthless from the start.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Super Jay Mann posted:

Cameron at least asks the right questions and runs the right numbers most of the time, he just draws all the wrong conclusions.

This is not really true.

Cameron is basically indistinguishable from Murray Chass, except he uses WAR and xFIP instead of RBI and W-L record.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

What the hell? The day after Biogenesis and there's not a single A-Rod story here yet?

I submit exhibit A, in which "maybe his name isn't even Alex Rodriguez and instead his name is Beldar from the Planet of Lies"

credit to Smasher Dynamo in the Baseball Mogul Let's Play, which more of you guys should join!

e: I have started a Google Doc to collect the worst examples of overwrought sanctimony. Feel free to make submissions!

FairGame fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Aug 6, 2013

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

Deathlove
Feb 20, 2003

Pillbug

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

Brilliant.

Cash Monet
Apr 5, 2009

Hugh Douglas may have a thing for Camele Hill/be a drunk rear end in a top hat.

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-08-06/hugh-douglas-michael-smith-altercation-racist-remarks-nabj-convention

quote:

According to reports by The Big Lead, Deadspin and other media outlets, an altercation between former football player-turned NFL analyst, Hugh Douglas, and ESPN colleague Michael Smith took place at the National Association of Black Journalists Convention in Orlando, Fla.

The actual incident, which took place Friday night at a party hosted by the NABJ Sports Task Force at the House of Blues in Orlando, began Thursday when Douglas tried to interrupt Smith and co-host Jemele Hill’s ‘His and Hers’ podcast session at the convention, according to reports.

Douglas, who was visibly inebriated according to reports, approached the duo as they were wrapping up their session and demanded the microphone from Hill, even though he was not slated to speak at that session.

Somewhat annoyed, Hill declined to hand the mic over to Douglas, making for an awkward situation for both parties.

The next evening at the aforementioned party, Douglas tried to make his way toward the stage when Smith intervened, trying to dissuade Douglas from getting on stage.

Douglas did not get on stage, but in his reportedly intoxicated state, decided to have words with Smith, allegedly calling him by two particularly inflammatory racial slurs, which Smith tried to ignore.

At that point, bystanders and security moved in to separate the two and diffuse the situation.

He reached out to Douglas on Tuesday afternoon seeking comment on the situation.

Douglas told Sporting News via text message that he was “fine,” but not able to comment on the situation at this time.

Douglas did not appear on “Numbers Never Lie,” the show he co-hosts with Smith when it aired Monday or Tuesday, as ESPN looks into the matter.

I'm a retired serviceable lineman whos easily replaceable as a broadcaster, I don't have to take your poo poo!

EmotionlessThug
Feb 14, 2012

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

lmao

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






commy gun posted:

Hugh Douglas may have a thing for Camele Hill/be a drunk rear end in a top hat.

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-08-06/hugh-douglas-michael-smith-altercation-racist-remarks-nabj-convention


I'm a retired serviceable lineman whos easily replaceable as a broadcaster, I don't have to take your poo poo!

Didn't Hugh Douglas also get into a locker room fight with TO at one point?

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



commy gun posted:

Hugh Douglas may have a thing for Camele Hill/be a drunk rear end in a top hat.

http://www.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-08-06/hugh-douglas-michael-smith-altercation-racist-remarks-nabj-convention


I'm a retired serviceable lineman whos easily replaceable as a broadcaster, I don't have to take your poo poo!

Adding Hugh to Numbers Never Lie along with their revamp awhile back made that the worst show on ESPN, so hopefully this gets kicked off and that show can maybe somehow crawl up out of the gutt... get mercy killed.

I can believe, but be disappointed that ESPN made a quasi-sabermetrics based show and then put loving Hugh Douglas on it.

Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

I'm speechless. My god.

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

Brian Phillips is so loving good.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008

You can't stop what's coming

MourningView posted:

Brian Phillips is so loving good.

He's been killing it lately, too. His piece on Landon Donovan is terrific.

"Landon Donovan will never win over the guy who wants soulless cadet-destroyers trampling his favorite sports grass. He is maybe the least laser-sound-effect-friendly fast person in the history of professional athletics."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9511167/landon-donovan-gold-cup/

Reformed Pissboy
Nov 6, 2003

DivineCoffeeBinge posted:

Grantland may well have brought us the finest in Sports Journalism for 2013. Truly a tale for the ages.

This is absolutely phenomenal.

Nerdfest X
Feb 7, 2008
UberDork Extreme
Tim Kurkjian did a radio interview about A-Rod, and he brought up the time about 10 years ago, when A-Rod slapped the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's hand while trying to beat him to 1st base in the playoffs vs. the Red Sox, and I can't help but compare that to when Derek Jeter faked getting hit by a pitch, and the ump bought it, and awarded him the base. While A-Rod got completely flame-broiled over what he did as an assholish pure dick-move, Jeter's pretending to get HBP was lauded as a "smart baseball play".

nasboat
Sep 9, 2004

Selling a borderline HBP is not at all uncommon and does not deserve the ridicule that the karate slap rightfully received.

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!

nasboat posted:

Selling a borderline HBP is not at all uncommon and does not deserve the ridicule that the karate slap rightfully received.

Didn't he continue to sell it for an uncomfortably long time after he was awarded first base or am I remembering this incident wrong?

vv--No I meant Jeter on the HBP

Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Aug 7, 2013

haljordan
Oct 22, 2004

the corpse of god is love.






Grittybeard posted:

Didn't he continue to sell it for an uncomfortably long time after he was awarded first base or am I remembering this incident wrong?

edit: Ah sorry, never mind.

haljordan fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Aug 7, 2013

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

Grittybeard posted:

Didn't he continue to sell it for an uncomfortably long time after he was awarded first base or am I remembering this incident wrong?

vv--No I meant Jeter on the HBP

Yes. It wasn't particularly borderline either since the ball clean missed his head.

BrooklynBruiser
Aug 20, 2006

The broken bones posted:

Yes. It wasn't particularly borderline either since the ball clean missed his head.

You're thinking of a different one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg16RtZfrrI

That's one where Corey Kluber hits his helmet.

This is the fake one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtmALJbrgE4

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
If you aren't selling a non-HBP as hard as this guy then you shouldn't even bother.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

The thing about the Arroyo slap is it's such a dumb embarrassing thing, but it's brought up as if to show what a mean cheating rear end in a top hat A-Rod is.

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

Out beyond winning and losing, there is a field.

I will meet you there.

BrooklynBruiser posted:

You're thinking of a different one.

That's one where Corey Kluber hits his helmet.

This is the fake one:

oh. I thought there was one where he ducked and the ball hit his bat and he faked being hit in the head for a while. I know Berkman did it, but I thought Jeter did too.

Nerdfest X
Feb 7, 2008
UberDork Extreme

nasboat posted:

Selling a borderline HBP is not at all uncommon and does not deserve the ridicule that the karate slap rightfully received.

My point is, if the roles were reversed with A-Rod "selling" a pitch hit off the knob of the bat like it hit his hand just as Jeter did, he would have been called out as a drama queen, bullshit artist, and pussy-rear end baby. If Jeter was the one who unintentionally/accidently swung his arm (on purpose) and by coincidence, it knocks the ball out of the fielders' hand, he would have been given a baseball Oscar, called a genius, and some ad wizard would have worked it into a commercial as a joke.

Ratedargh
Feb 20, 2011

Wow, Bob, wow. Fire walk with me.
Jon Heyman thinks A-Rod is getting off light

Heyman is gag-inducing, which is a surprise to nobody.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
About the only way he's getting off light is that he avoided a lifetime ban, which I think Selig would like to avoid doling out, especially considering how many people think Rose belongs in the HOF.

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Dick Williams
Aug 25, 2005
When it comes to any sportswriter penning any article about steroids just don't click on it and imagine the writer just jumping up and down showing "look at me look at me gimme dem page views" instead

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