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Orange Devil posted:It's the same with reviewers. Apparently everyone who makes money off of video games except pro-gamers are absolutely terrible at them. Watching TotalBiscuit play anything is the worst
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Orange Devil posted:It's the same with reviewers. Apparently everyone who makes money off of video games except pro-gamers are absolutely terrible at them. A game reviewer can only spend a handful of hours playing a game before they review because deadlines. There isn't really any way around that,
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Aug 9, 2013 13:48
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Game reviews are pretty bullshit anyway, because a review is unavoidably going to bring in their own personal thoughts, feelings, hangups, etc. Your experience playing a game is never going to match up 1:1 with a reviewer's, combine that with the fact that in most cases a reviewer will not scratch the surface of what's available due to time constraints, and I find game reviews to be even more wonky and subjective than reviews of, say, films and books.
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Aug 9, 2013 13:51
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Alchenar posted:A game reviewer can only spend a handful of hours playing a game before they review because deadlines. There isn't really any way around that, You'd think playing A LOT of games all the time would give you some sort of general competence though.
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Aug 9, 2013 13:55
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At least for artists and programmers we are terrible at our own games because 1: we don't get a chance to play them and 2: if we get the chance we often would rather not!
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Aug 9, 2013 14:09
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concerned mom posted:At least for artists and programmers we are terrible at our own games because 1: we don't get a chance to play them and 2: if we get the chance we often would rather not! It's gotta be weird when living the dream becomes a pain in the rear end. vvv: Maybe you need a change of career. Have you considered becoming a Bolivian drug lord? Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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Aug 9, 2013 14:15
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Grand Prize Winner posted:It's gotta be weird when living the dream becomes a pain in the rear end. Speaking as someone who's actually made small games, you have no idea. Its fun to play your game a few times after its made a couple of times but you get so, so loving bored of it quickly because you've spent so long playing it. E: Small as in crappy unreal 3 engine levels and java 2d platform games. dogstile fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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Aug 9, 2013 14:37
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There is also the fact to consider that the people playing games at press events are under instructions to turn it down a notch and suck a little to make the game seem more accessible to a broader audience.
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Aug 9, 2013 15:54
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Vlex posted:There is also the fact to consider that the people playing games at press events are under instructions to turn it down a notch and suck a little to make the game seem more accessible to a broader audience. I'm not sure seeing a developer get murdered by the AI will make the game seem any more accessible tbh.
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Aug 9, 2013 15:58
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Walamor posted:For everyone complaining about how short fights are, did you not notice how long the Macedonian infantry were engaged with the Roman infantry? They weren't super vet either, I saw one of them get promoted to rank 3 at the end of the fight right before they routed. Also, they didn't rout until they were significantly flanked. I think that was the elite unit he talked about. Plus they were in spear wall formation against a frontal assault. The skirmishers and even the cavalry routed fairly quickly.
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Aug 9, 2013 16:16
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Gamesguy posted:I think that was the elite unit he talked about. Plus they were in spear wall formation against a frontal assault. The cavalry held on for quite some time even though they were fighting both other cavalry and spearmen, also only one of those infantry units was an elite unit and all of them held out for quite some time.
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Aug 9, 2013 17:50
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Walamor posted:For everyone complaining about how short fights are, did you not notice how long the Macedonian infantry were engaged with the Roman infantry? They weren't super vet either, I saw one of them get promoted to rank 3 at the end of the fight right before they routed. Also, they didn't rout until they were significantly flanked. You've got a point. For my part I was bitching about S2 more than not-yet-played Rome 2.
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Aug 9, 2013 19:21
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Just finished my Saga Imperial Vanguard campaign on FOTS Normal/Normal. It was sort of painless once I reached critical mass at RD, and it made me understand why that mechanic exists. I ended up autoresolving my juggernaut army of elite troops and artillery through all the Shogun supporters on the way to Musashi with 7 years to spare  All the imperial supporters were a great big hugbox and I was pulling in over 20k koku each turn by the end. I had high level geishas parked in my top provinces, and had 5 or 6 provinces at 8,000+ wealth.I think next time I'll go pro-Shogun and choose the RD option that makes everyone hate me. That will at least make it more interesting at the end knowing there's a possibility that I could lose. I think I've still got plenty of mileage to get out of Shogun 2 and Napoleon before I look at Rome 2. Maybe I'll wait for a sale.
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Aug 9, 2013 19:24
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canyoneer posted:Just finished my Saga Imperial Vanguard campaign on FOTS Normal/Normal. It was sort of painless once I reached critical mass at RD, and it made me understand why that mechanic exists. I ended up autoresolving my juggernaut army of elite troops and artillery through all the Shogun supporters on the way to Musashi with 7 years to spare I think the problem with the mechanic is that it completely sucker punches you when you first get hit by it and that there is absolutely no reason my one province vassal that's married to my family, been allied for years, trading for just as long who fought and bled alongside me would suddenly turn around and go "you know what, the shogun, who is about to be destroyed by your doomstack, said you're a dick, so i'm going to declare war on you even though I have no units and no way of hurting you. This is basically suicide. Oh well, Shogun said so!". I'd be fine with ramping up the difficulty. I'm not fine with "gently caress you, you against the world". E: Does napoleon have any performance issues? When I load it up it seems jumpy. I don't have that problem with Shogun. E2: Jumpy as in the units don't walk smoothly, they seem to sort of, jump from step to step. Not a lot but its noticeable. dogstile fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 9, 2013 |
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Aug 9, 2013 19:50
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dogstile posted:I think the problem with the mechanic is that it completely sucker punches you when you first get hit by it and that there is absolutely no reason my one province vassal that's married to my family, been allied for years, trading for just as long who fought and bled alongside me would suddenly turn around and go "you know what, the shogun, who is about to be destroyed by your doomstack, said you're a dick, so i'm going to declare war on you even though I have no units and no way of hurting you. This is basically suicide. Oh well, Shogun said so!". For me Napoleon has no performance issues beyond the occasional crash. ("Besides all that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?") Is the jumpiness you describe from a far zoomed out perspective? Because I always assumed that was intentional in the engine to skip frames of animation to improve performance. I could be totally wrong though.
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Aug 9, 2013 20:33
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dogstile posted:I think the problem with the mechanic is that it completely sucker punches you when you first get hit by it and that there is absolutely no reason my one province vassal that's married to my family, been allied for years, trading for just as long who fought and bled alongside me would suddenly turn around and go "you know what, the shogun, who is about to be destroyed by your doomstack, said you're a dick, so i'm going to declare war on you even though I have no units and no way of hurting you. This is basically suicide. Oh well, Shogun said so!". So, on one hand a designer might say that's intended to prevent you from using vassals to make tons of trade bucks, on the other hand, CA didn't particularly think out how it's done all that well. Still, it has an important purpose, though usually by the time you hit Realm Divide you can roll over even all the other AIs combined.
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Aug 9, 2013 20:40
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I thought FOTS did Realm Divide very well, with both sides of the conflict deciding that this is it and rallying behind the largest factions. Of course, that is a fair bit harder if there are no two well defined sides.
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Aug 9, 2013 20:53
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ArchangeI posted:I thought FOTS did Realm Divide very well, with both sides of the conflict deciding that this is it and rallying behind the largest factions. Of course, that is a fair bit harder if there are no two well defined sides. FOTS seemed to do it very well. I liked how you could go for the "gently caress everyone option" if you wanted to, or stick to not fighting for personal glory and have some people backing you up. Panzeh posted:So, on one hand a designer might say that's intended to prevent you from using vassals to make tons of trade bucks, on the other hand, CA didn't particularly think out how it's done all that well. Still, it has an important purpose, though usually by the time you hit Realm Divide you can roll over even all the other AIs combined. In a sense. You're still going up against full stacks so you have to manually fight every battle against them. It gets a little tiresome. It seemed poorly planned. At least now with Rome saying they'll scale up the quality of the units you fight you won't be rolling over everyone even late game.
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Aug 9, 2013 21:31
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Don't forget that you will also have a limited number of armies this time, with 20 units maximum.
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Aug 9, 2013 22:14
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The line of sight system looks  Concealing units without stupid forests.
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Aug 9, 2013 22:16
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It's kind of refreshing to me that the devs are so bad at the game themselves, because it makes me feel less bad about being such a tactical/strategic dunderhead that usually relies on a basic,"Hit them hard in the middle and then try to flank their sides" way of handling things.
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Panzeh posted:So, on one hand a designer might say that's intended to prevent you from using vassals to make tons of trade bucks, on the other hand, CA didn't particularly think out how it's done all that well. Still, it has an important purpose, though usually by the time you hit Realm Divide you can roll over even all the other AIs combined. It just makes it a slog to be honest. Even more so if you actually use the diplomacy system in the game and trade with people.
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Fox Cunning posted:Don't forget that you will also have a limited number of armies this time, with 20 units maximum. That's a good point. I wonder how hard that'll be to manage once you get bigger empires. Taking over the entire map with limited armies sounds like it'd be a challenge.
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Has there been any discussion of what the army limit is?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Has there been any discussion of what the army limit is? I thought there are not any hard limit just that if you actually want a army, first you must have a general with their own faction and ties in your nation which may or not be changeable by the player. May be interesting to see half your generals and their armies betray you when civil war emerge
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quote:Has there been any discussion of what the army limit is? I believe the only thing they've said is that is doesn't scale 1/1 with new territory gained, and that you will have to make hard decisions in order to defend and attack at the same time, eg diplomacy to make sure your western flank is covered, ect.
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Maybe it scales with difficulty somehow, I think that would be a good idea at least.
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Aug 10, 2013 11:53
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madmac posted:eg diplomacy to make sure your western flank is covered, ect. Oh god no.
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Aug 10, 2013 12:03
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With the new, more transparent modifier system maybe diplomacy will work for once? Here's hoping they fixed the "YOU BROKE YOUR TREATIES WITH US" bug. You know, where they would blame you for getting their own ports blockaded...
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Aug 10, 2013 12:27
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Has there been any discussion of what the army limit is? If you look at the huge campaign screenshot it is clear that Macedon has a shitload of armies. So god knows how the limit is fixed. Oh la la, looks like the posted a new one without telling anyone. Or at least I haven't seen it.
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Aug 10, 2013 17:42
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The second set of Q&A answers got posted here.
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Frijolero posted:If you look at the huge campaign screenshot it is clear that Macedon has a shitload of armies. So god knows how the limit is fixed. The new one is looking down the Italian Peninsula from the Alps. That is just awesome. Mazz fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Aug 10, 2013 |
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Aug 10, 2013 18:11
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Its been a long lonnng time since I was hyped for a game like this. I cant loving wait anymore!
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Mazz posted:The new one is looking down the Italian Peninsula from the Alps. That is just awesome. Its in the Alps, I think thats lake Geneva there. You can see Britan off to the north
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Rabhadh posted:Its in the Alps, I think thats lake Geneva there. You can see Britan off to the north Pretty sure that is viewing south from the Alps. You can see the Iberian peninsula on the right side Edit: Oh wait you're right, the panorama wraps pretty far around and if you go way left you can see what appears to be Britain
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Just noticed a nice little addition, it looks like crows and ravens hover above armies that are going through attrition.
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DrHub posted:Its been a long lonnng time since I was hyped for a game like this For me it's since the original RTW, I think 
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Aug 10, 2013 19:20
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peer posted:For me it's since the original RTW, I think yeah me too, I remember watching some sort of reality tv show where simple folk played an early (alpha maybe) version of RTW and all that commented by a english historian. Its all fuzzy, someone have an idea of what im talking about?
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DrHub posted:yeah me too, I remember watching some sort of reality tv show where simple folk played an early (alpha maybe) version of RTW and all that commented by a english historian. Its all fuzzy, someone have an idea of what im talking about? Time Commanders? If its the thing I am thinking of it was always great to watch the military dudes fail miserably at a battle that the vicars had won.
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DrHub posted:yeah me too, I remember watching some sort of reality tv show where simple folk played an early (alpha maybe) version of RTW and all that commented by a english historian. Its all fuzzy, someone have an idea of what im talking about? Sounds like Time Commanders to me. I loved that show as a kid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl9I7POTrs
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