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Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
Ha beaten'd.

Yeah even I think Phantom Limb knows not to gently caress with KG. KG. :( you can tell even the Monarch felt sorry for him in the state he was in.

Shindragon fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 13, 2013

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Emerson Cod
Apr 14, 2004

by Pragmatica

Raskolnikov38 posted:

Well he did eviscerate and sodomize Vince Neil on live television, I don't think Limb could afford the level of lawyer needed to get him out. It did take both the investors and KG being nearly dead from cancer to get a pity release.

C'mon, he only sodomized half of him.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

SlothfulCobra posted:

Come to think of it, why did Phantom Limb kill all of them, but leave King Gorilla, the only one who actually helped the Monarch escape, completely unharmed so that he could die in peace?

All the others did what Limb told them, but KG defied, so maybe he was thinking, "You know, screw those other guys because they were punks. But you KG? You didn't betray your principles, so I'll give you a pass..."

Either that or he let is slide as a bit of a thanks (Hey, he got the Monarch out, which helped Limb move on to his next phase more easily) or a mercy/torture because of the cancer (he was dying anyway or letting him slowly die vs. a quick death.)

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
A question that's been bugging me is why does Orpheus act surprised that Dermott can summon him? He and Al know Doc's shameful secret, their spell is the reason Hank needed the memory-wipe in the first place!

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Black Bones posted:

A question that's been bugging me is why does Orpheus act surprised that Dermott can summon him? He and Al know Doc's shameful secret, their spell is the reason Hank needed the memory-wipe in the first place!

Maybe he's startled by the thought that he has to explain the history to Dermott.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Black Bones posted:

A question that's been bugging me is why does Orpheus act surprised that Dermott can summon him? He and Al know Doc's shameful secret, their spell is the reason Hank needed the memory-wipe in the first place!

I think he was fake playing coy and wanted to tell him. He probably didn't know it was Dermott to begin with but I'm guessing he knew exactly why once he was there.

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

bull3964 posted:

I wouldn't say no show does this. For example, Doctor Who blu-rays actually jumped street date by a few days this spring and people were getting them before the finale of that season actually aired.

This is actually a bad example since that was probably faked to drum up interest in the finale.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Jeffrey posted:

I think he was fake playing coy and wanted to tell him. He probably didn't know it was Dermott to begin with but I'm guessing he knew exactly why once he was there.

That's how I read the scene as well. The Halloween episode indicated he felt sorry for Dermott for how Doc treats him, so it would make sense that he would want to tip Dermott off.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
Honestly I thought he was going to get his brain wiped when he learned about the love child. I mean it was so bad that Al wanted to as well.

Of course Al didn't after learning he and Shoreleave were a thing.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.
Jackson and Doc did an enlightening walkthrough of Season 5 for the AV Club. Not as in-depth or as focused as a lot of the other AV Club showrunner chats, but they do explain why the ending felt so abrupt and the broader themes of the season. Plus there's lots of fun stuff like:

quote:

AV Club: This show has a complex mythology. In “O.S.I. Love You,” Monstroso tells Brock Samson that the Sovereign is, in fact, not the real David Bowie, but a shape-shifter who takes on David Bowie’s appearance. Would this count as a retcon? And how much do you try and keep the mythology consistent?

Jackson Publick: First of all, you don’t even know if he’s lying. So we can’t really talk about it.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

JethroMcB posted:

Jackson and Doc did an enlightening walkthrough of Season 5 for the AV Club. Not as in-depth or as focused as a lot of the other AV Club showrunner chats, but they do explain why the ending felt so abrupt and the broader themes of the season. Plus there's lots of fun stuff like:

That was a fantastic article. I loved the parts where they talk about their general philosophies of writing and characters and so on, without even getting deep into the specifics of the show. It's especially nice that they're not sticking to the "show about failure" notion. I could read that for ages. :allears:

Dynamite Dog
Dec 12, 2012

It has the next thread title too:

It’s a sexual Lord Of The Flies.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
“I can double my wardrobe, and have the convenience of a dress. It’s a one-garment wardrobe, like a speed suit with no legs, that you can poop out of.”

GigaPeon
Apr 29, 2003

Go, man, go!

bull3964 posted:

I wouldn't say no show does this. For example, Doctor Who blu-rays actually jumped street date by a few days this spring and people were getting them before the finale of that season actually aired. There are quite a few examples that are similar. Production on these episodes ended quite some time ago so there should be ample time for the small amount of special features they will include.

By the time the re-run completes, we will be two months out from the finale.

Season 4 was released 5 months out from when the finale aired, but it was made all the worse since it was a split season. You couldn't get a blu-ray copy of "Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel" until 17 months after the episode aired. Already, we are almost 10 months out from when "A Very Venture Halloween" aired.

All of this season's episodes had copyright 2012 in the credits. Everything's probably been in the can for a while.

InsensitiveSeaBass
Apr 1, 2008

You're entering a realm which is unusual. Maybe it's magic, or contains some kind of monster... The second one. Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
Nap Ghost
The more we complain/speculate/not talk about Kim, the more they love us. Seems weird but I get where they are coming from.

Nemo
Feb 24, 2001

Uh! Double up Uh! Uh!
I'm glad Doc and Jackson are as tired of the "show about failure" talking point as I am.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

At this point I'm tired of the "tired of the 'show about failure' talking point" talking point.

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


If you guys would just post by the rules1, none of this would be happening.

1 The GHOST PIRATE rules

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


I will never give up hope that Kim will come back some day.

InsensitiveSeaBass
Apr 1, 2008

You're entering a realm which is unusual. Maybe it's magic, or contains some kind of monster... The second one. Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
Nap Ghost

Sash! posted:

I will never give up hope that Kim will come back some day.

Don't give yourself a Rusty Venture over it.

Glass Joe
Mar 9, 2007

epitasis posted:

At this point I'm tired of the "tired of the 'show about failure' talking point" talking point.

We need to start singing it!

Protagorean
May 19, 2013

by Azathoth
Of course loving AV Club unironically brings up failure repeatedly. :ughh: But at least it gave Doc and Jackson the opportunity to give us another tagline to sperg over for the next five years:

The TV IV> Venture Bros: Celebrating Humanity

Guess we aren't allowed to make insane-but-just-barely-plausible theories anymore in the event that they're right, someone in the Astrobase reads it, and changes it just to gently caress with us. It's like that Hitchiker's Guide quote

The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy posted:

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory, which states that this has already happened.

Also, in October I plan on phoning a friend who watched "Assisted Suicide" when it aired three years ago on the day it aired, and said it was a bad episode, and after my fourth(?) rewatch, tell him it was one of the best of the show.

GigaPeon
Apr 29, 2003

Go, man, go!

Protagorean posted:

Of course loving AV Club unironically brings up failure repeatedly. :ughh: But at least it gave Doc and Jackson the opportunity to give us another tagline to sperg over for the next five years:

The TV IV> Venture Bros: Celebrating Humanity


I like that one. Sure the characters fail all the time, but the next day, they put on their speed suits, fire up the clone slugs and build a walking eye, write a Broadway musical or try to eradicate the gay gene. They always keep trying to be better.

GigaPeon fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Aug 16, 2013

Hbomberguy
Jul 4, 2009

[culla=big red]TufFEE did nO THINg W̡RA̸NG[/read]


The show's main running themes are failure, humanity and David Bowie.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
And the Bat.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
Also the government's cruel, thoughtless suppression of human life extension technology.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Ugh I saw Doc Hammer on the street last night, but some mouthbreather had accosted him and was awkwardly forcing him to answer questions about the show.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos

Hbomberguy posted:

The show's main running themes are failure, humanity and David Bowie.

Can never have enough David Bowie. I do like the whole them putting rumors in their own show. That seems so very meta.Also yeah I was a sucker for the whole Sovereign not being David Bowie. I want it to be the actual Bowie. It's funny when you look back at it, there are hints to Bowie being the sovereign in Season 1.

Funny how we haven't' seen Mandale though. :v:

Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


I've seen David Bowie turn in to a bird. :colbert:

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Shindragon posted:

Can never have enough David Bowie. I do like the whole them putting rumors in their own show. That seems so very meta.Also yeah I was a sucker for the whole Sovereign not being David Bowie. I want it to be the actual Bowie. It's funny when you look back at it, there are hints to Bowie being the sovereign in Season 1.

Funny how we haven't' seen Mandale though. :v:

Yeah David Bowie hiring Molotov to get Brisby's panda seemed like such a throwaway gag, it was much funnier on a rewatch.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


"Big trivia craze" in season 1.

Billy Quizboy's origin story like ten actual years later.

InsensitiveSeaBass
Apr 1, 2008

You're entering a realm which is unusual. Maybe it's magic, or contains some kind of monster... The second one. Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
Nap Ghost

Jeffrey posted:

Also the government's cruel, thoughtless suppression of human life extension technology.

Hello...walking eye!

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

Sash! posted:

"Big trivia craze" in season 1.

Billy Quizboy's origin story like ten actual years later.

Oh my god. Totally missed that.

JethroMcB
Jan 23, 2004

We're normal now.
We love your family.
Bowie always was a trend-setter.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Pope Guilty posted:

Oh my god. Totally missed that.

Its so masterfully crafted, isn't it!

Also, I hope to never get any more elaboration on how T.S. got blamed for blowing off Werner's face because the line "One is always supposed to look out for one's. LAB. PARTNER." is just so funny to me.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

GigaPeon posted:

I like that one. Sure the characters fail all the time, but the next day, they put on their speed suits, fire up the clone slugs and build a walking eye, write a Broadway musical or try to eradicate the gay gene. They always keep trying to be better.

"A show about failure" is accurate in the sense that the characters are marked by failures- by themselves and their parents- but there's also been, especially in the last few seasons, a sense of incremental improvement. Hank and Dean won't be quite as hosed up as their dad is. The Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch have finally established a relationship that's good for them. Things won't be great but they're coming to terms with some of the damage that's been inflicted on them in the past.

What really makes the show work is that it does have that heart, it holds up a slim promise that we can maybe improve ourselves.

That may be why Spanikopita! was so awesome. It was Rusty having something that satisfied him, and it was an illusion, but it was real to him. Very modernist.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
Haven't been keeping up with the thread...but anyone else in the US not get all their shirts? The last one I got was the Council of 13 shirt. I got it on the 5th of August, and no shirts or emails since then.

There should be 2 more, right? The Henchman one that's like what Gary/24 had, and the bonus "TECHNICOLOR" one?

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




DrBouvenstein posted:

Haven't been keeping up with the thread...but anyone else in the US not get all their shirts? The last one I got was the Council of 13 shirt. I got it on the 5th of August, and no shirts or emails since then.

There should be 2 more, right? The Henchman one that's like what Gary/24 had, and the bonus "TECHNICOLOR" one?

I'm the exact same boat, but they've been slow all around so I'm not exactly worried.

Delaio
Jul 14, 2012

I got the shipping info for the Calamity Conference shirt about two days ago, so they're still chugging along.

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RandallODim
Dec 30, 2010

Another 1? Aww man...

Sash! posted:

Also, I hope to never get any more elaboration on how T.S. got blamed for blowing off Werner's face because the line "One is always supposed to look out for one's. LAB. PARTNER." is just so funny to me.

We actually do. Shadowman 9 shows it was an explosion caused by The Monarch's first attempt to destroy Rusty, but Rusty got blamed for it instead. That line is still gold though.

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