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Old thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447793 IMPORTANT PLEASE READ THIS THREAD(AT LEAST THE FRONT PAGE) PRIOR TO POSTING "I HAVE NO INSIGHT/EXPERIENCE INTO IT HOW DO I GET IN" THE PRIMARY GOAL OF THIS THREAD IS TO HELP PEOPLE GET INTO IT EASIER AND HAVE BETTER JOBS/LIVES NOT TO BITCH ABOUT YOUR DAY THAT GOES HERE I.What is IT IT is a very broad term now of days, it can essentially mean anything from a person who sits in a cubical farm answering a phone about crappy made software, to designing and implementing full scale Infrastructures. The important thing is to realize what you want to do in this field and do what you enjoy, no one cares if you are a helpdesk guy, virtualization Engineer, or System Admin, set your own goals and stick to them. It is also to note that this thread may not be geared towards a Computer Science degree, while the usefulness of it is debatable, personally from the curriculum from local schools I work at, attended, or volunteered at it wasn't much there to help you build a *NIX system, or maintain a windows AD environment. To separate fields out I am going to explain the diffrerence between a IT Generalist and someone with a specialization. Generalist Generalists is the term I use to describe things such as Customer Service Rep. jobs. Recruiters LOVE to market the original job opportunity as a "IT professional career!", when in actuality you are troubleshooting badly made applications, explaining why you can't wave a magic wand and have excel do the work they are paid for, or jumping through SLA's. At the end of the day this can be seen as 90% of "Helpdesk" jobs, mostly unrewarding and no end to a onslaught of calls and forwarding tickets. Pay is usually on the low end of the spectrum and minimal Technical skills are built. While it does provide a nice foot in the door into the world of "IT", job security is on the leaniatent side, and you won't grow much marketable skills for anything other than helpdesk. Which leads me to my next point of Specialized Fields This is where things get fun, jobs become more and more in demand, and pay is better. However, the hardest part about finding a specialization is find out what you want to do and doing it. Seriously, no one will be able to tell you what you want to do other than you. We can give advice on honing in on a skill or field of expertise but in the end it is up to you to discover what you enjoy. Below are a few of the specializations that most of the people go into System Administrator System's Administrator is a broad term as well but is usually defined to someone who administers servers, not the one fixing the user who doesn't know how to open word/excel. Generally you are dealing with Servers which do in term affect users in the form of, printing to logging into their computers at the beginning of the day. There is a wide variety of technologies that System Administrators need to know, from windows to unix, firewalls to routers, and workstation interactions with servers. DataBase Management KennyG posted:Database Administrator Networking Network Engineers have an equally important job, this job field requires people to have a decent understanding of how data needs to move, this means engineers may need to have some insight as to how the, Client/Server model that SysAdmins deal with, works. NetEngineers, have to in reality have to build connections from each end device to their appropriate destination while keeping in mind things like data bandwidth, security, and connection availability. Generally a Network Engineer will not work directly with an end user, as networks don't require the same amount of maintenance that a end user device would need; Not to say that networks do not need maintenance after they are deployed but doing said maintenance is different. Virtualization Administration THE CLOUD THE CLOUD THE CLOUD!!! The cloud is coming and with that, Virtualization Engineers are needed, these people need a solid understanding of networking, operating system, and storage skills. The hard part about being a Virtualization Engineer is not setting up storage, Hypervisiors, or Network devices, but getting them to all talk and work together in an acceptable manner that fits customer and client needs. If you are not versed in dealing with Switching, Storage, or Operating System functions you will have a difficult time creating and maintaining a well performing infrastructure. DevOPs Misogynist posted:You're right, in a sense, but a little bit of history is necessary here to really understand some nuances of the movement. II.Education A popular topic in the last thread and a very important one to say the least, everyone learns differently, there is no "right" way to get educated for IT. However, their are many popular ways that people choose about going into the IT field. a.Finding out what you want to do Arguably the hardest part of IT, when I was going to school I decided to take some of all the fields of IT they had other than Oracle(gently caress oracle), I took classes for the Cisco CCNA, UNIX classes, Windows Administration Classes, EMC storage classes, Computer Science Classes, and finally Virtualization. It took me about 3 years in an AAS program to where I finally found I enjoyed working with Vmware and virtualization technologies enough to make it my career, now I really couldn't be happier working with my job. Everyone learns differently the important part is finding out what best suites your likes and dislikes. b.Schooling Their are various ways to go about this however, you should avoid things such as unaccredited colleges, if the school is promising you a degree for a Bachelor Degree in 2 years and can all be done online, I would be hesitant as to the quality of your education. Mostly these are classified as business colleges, examples as DeVry, Phoenix, or other colleges shouting 2.5 years! and should be looked at sparingly. I would look into anything such as a Community College PRIOR to going to a business college. Community Colleges/ Associate Degrees I am a big fan of community colleges, not only because I was offered a job to work at one, but also because of what a great value they are. They cost much less over a 4 year school, generally have more to offer, do not require any special testing over an entrance exam to be accepted into, and best of all Credits can usually be transferred over to a big name 4 year school to finish out. Their is also another feature such as networking and job placement that many CC's have, my CC does constant job fairs for skilled students, and many people who already work in the field often attend classes to stay up to date. Hell my lab partner in my last VMware class is the Vice President of the company I work at now as a Virtualization Architect, and I love my job! Community Colleges are also great if you are thinking about changing fields in the IT industry, they normally will work around job hours and provide many courses online. If nothing else, this degree will get you past the HR blockade of no degree and generally open up many doors, coupled with a certificate or two in the field you want to go into their should be very little stopping you from getting a mid to entry level job. Four Year Degree's/ Bachelor Degrees For others who want the "college experience" and a bigger degree, 4 year schools are plentiful, and have many opportunities to spread out and get deep into the inter-workings of computer systems. Again I would look at the course curriculum for these 4 year degrees, many try too make "computer science" into a IT degree, while they may have classes in IT that doesn't mean all of them will be as useful to you. Example my former roommate went into a 4 year B.S. of CS for Programming, he now does CCNA/P level Network Engineering. He does enjoy his job and he degree did help him, however it was mainly due to his internship that he found what he wanted. Bachelor Degrees are great because they do knock down many more doors that will get you into a job, many also provide an internship which you can write down on the resume as 4 years EXP with you degree. But Dilbert! What's the degree I need, the right answer is the infamous phrase of IT, it depends, it depends your goals, your budget, and your learning style. For me I hate sitting on my hands and have the attention span of a gnat, if the teacher is going to fluff and puff on a bunch of poo poo I'll goof of, I also had no idea what I wanted to do 4 years ago so out of HS I knew I was good with computers and started out in CompTIA and worked my way up. My friends went to 4 year degrees where they found their loving jobs, so weigh what you want, ask some professions(CC professors will generally let you sit in a few classes and give advice for education). c.Certificates For some with experience, or just don't like a class room and prefer to work at their own pace, certificates can provide a great way to get a jump start on a field of IT. There are 2 primary types of Certificates Vendor Neutral and Vendor Specific, each with their own use. The best place in my opinion to start if you are a newbie to IT is with the vendor neutral or CompTIA certs. Vendor Neutral Certs The only respectable vendor neutral cert provider I can think of is CompTIA. This means they focus on a general area of technology rather than a specific vendor such as Microsoft, Cisco, or VMware; which is good if you are thinking about entering a field or changing fields to get a good idea and concept of the field. Below are 3 of the most common CompTIA certs and a short brief about them CompTIA A+ Ceritfication Great Cert for people new to all things computer, if you are thinking about hopping off that Masters of Art degree and looking into computers, you should start here. I would however, over look this somewhat if you are competent: troubleshooting drivers, viruses, non-booting windows installs, applying updates, or upgrading software. CompTIA Network+ Ceritfication Good Cert to those new with networking, some may argue to hop on the CCNA/CCNET wagon and don't waste time; but speaking from going through a Network+ course I can say it did help pull many of the cisco concepts together for me as well as making it much easier for me to grasp how networks network. I would however avoid this if you know you network class ABC's, the difference between a router and switch, how servers and clients talk etc. CompTIA Security+ Ceritfication Good Cert for anyone who has a focus on security and is required for pretty much any government job as per [rul=http://www.giac.org/certifications/dodd-8570]DOD-8570[/url], it's not a bad cert to have, but don't expect to come out |337 HAXX0R!11! Vendor Specific Certs Vendor specific certs you may have heard of a Microsoft Certified Professional such as MCSE/MCP/MCSA or Cisco Certified Network Professional CCNA/P, these certs tailor to specific vendor and do not teach a broad field area, meaning that a MCSA which is meant for Windows System Administrators may not help you too much in a job that is Linux Based such as the Red Hat Certifies System Administrator RHCSA. I will give breif overview of the cert vendors but for more detailed discussion I would look into the certification thread. Microsoft Certs Popular Certs MCSA and MCSE, MCSA is focused more on administration of an existing infrasture while MCSE will provide more focus on and Engineer who may do more design and implementation of systems Cisco Certs Popular Certs, CCNA/CCNET and CCNP, CCNA is the cisco's entry level cert, obtaining this will prove you have a decent understanding of how switching and routing network work as well as some insight into designing and implementation of networks. CCNP will provide additional insight into bigger more complex networks, troubleshooting, and designing. VMware Popular Certs VCP, VCAP-DCA, VCP provides you understand a wide varity of Network, Storage, Hardware, Redundancy, and the building blocks for a "cloud" environment. VCAP-DCA is a lab based test which proves you can do the required work in builting, troubleshooting, and implementing a virtual solution. For more info on certs check out the Cert Megathread IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT EDUCATION AND CERTIFICATIONS!!!!
3.Work So now that you have the knowledge to what you want to do, it's time now for a new change to come, putting that knowledge to work. Realize that getting a Job in IT while has a great demand, is not always easy. It's hard to get a job without experience in the IT field but you also need experience to get a job, it's a nice chicken and egg scenario. Certs and a degree open many doors, experience opens up pretty much all the rest to get an interview, you knowledge that you have accumulated gets you the job. However getting to that point is not an easy feat, and can be difficult. i.Resume Your resume is a very key part into getting a job, it is the very first point of contact employeers see and can't defend itself. Having a solid resume is vital to getting a job in any field, and making one can be difficult. Luckily we have some goon who will take your money and give you a pretty good one. He is in the goon mart and can be checked out here Couple of pointers for a resume
Took this bit from the last thread because I like it DO wear a clean suit, or dress appropriately Make sure to shower Be sociable, talk say hi, make small talk Be honest, if you don't know the answer to something talk out the troubleshooting steps, say where you would look, Don't bullshit, again, don't act like you know it all, more than not you will get hired for being easy to work with rather than having an acclaimed know it all who won't ask for help. Show up early, about 10 minutes early Make eye contact, use your hands when you speak, and speak clearly, even if you are shy once you get the job this is the only impression they have of you, make it count. Keep the conversation moving, don't spend to much on yourself or a question, no one likes dead air. Document Everything DON'T Show them your neck beard, please shave Correct people and be snarky about it, they may say you are wrong about a question that you answered right so do politely correct them but don't be snooty about it do the opposite for the Do's TRS look here Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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Excellent OP. If you want elaboration on Linux or THE CLOUD and what it means, happy to do a writeup (I'm in the cloud eng department of Redhat and actively work on/with OpenStack. Where are the ACID NoSQL databases?
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I had a phone interview today for an IT job. I think it went pretty well, really basic filter questions. Soon I'll leave working in Law Enforcment...to work IT in Law Enforcement . Apparently I'll hear within two weeks if I get a real interview.
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Also PROTIP: Keeping this thread to remain constructively criticism NOT poo poo THAT PISSES YOU OFF
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Got my third recruiting call today, and instead of inquiring about a position I'm clearly under-qualified for like the first two, this one, well, you'll just have to see for yourself:quote:Technical Support Sounds awesome!
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If I manage the families computers, and hate myself for it, do I get to post in here?
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SRQ posted:If I manage the families computers, and hate myself for it, do I get to post in here? Trying to keep this mostly constructive and non " I HATE X <VENT>"
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So I can post here if I keep my hatred for myself, others, and the world bottled up deep inside until it reaches a breaking point and I explode in a ball of pure hatred. Got it. Any ideas on how I could do like, freelance computer repair work? I've got the skills to do basic rear end poo poo like "Unfuck a computer" or "Clean up grandmas laptop.", but not sure how to go about doing that for money and be: A: Legally sound if something fucks up B: Professional
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SRQ posted:So I can post here if I keep my hatred for myself, others, and the world bottled up deep inside until it reaches a breaking point and I explode in a ball of pure hatred. Got it. There's more overhead to that than it's effectively worth given the need to build and maintain a massive client base.
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I'm not talking massive, I'm talking stick some ads on the neighbourhood mail boxes and maybe unfuck some lovely Vista laptop for a 50 now and then.
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SRQ posted:I'm not talking massive, I'm talking stick some ads on the neighbourhood mail boxes and maybe unfuck some lovely Vista laptop for a 50 now and then. Unfortunately, people refuck them in short order, then when you want to charge them again, they bitch and moan and word of mouth becomes more negative than positive. If you don't charge, you turn into an unpaid doormat and may as well be a rogue*. I recommend that if you want to make money doing this sort of thing, depending on your position in life either working towards helldesk or pre-helldesk retail computer work.
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Wanna get in on the first page and say to any newcomers that SH/SC is a really great resource for figuring out your illustrious career in IT. In aggregate, I've learned more about how to advance myself in the field here than any other single place. This thread will be full of some very sharp, experienced and insightful posters that you should really listen to. Compared to four years ago, I'm making roughly 3x as much in total compensation, working on much more interesting and challenging projects, and--maybe most importantly for my sanity--I'm on-call about one week every two months instead of literally 24/7/365. I attribute most of that to this forum prodding me to get out of my rut/Stockholm Syndrome, poke my head up and see what was out there. Spoiler: what's out there is almost certainly way better than what you're doing right now. Thanks to everyone who has made this a great and frank place for IT discussion. Let's keep it going. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Aug 24, 2013 |
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SRQ posted:So I can post here if I keep my hatred for myself, others, and the world bottled up deep inside until it reaches a breaking point and I explode in a ball of pure hatred. Got it. There's already at least one other thread for that. We'd welcome your tales of user hate any time vv e: Actually, kidding or not-- Dilbert, you might want to have a link to "the venting thread" in the OP.
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IT: come for the computers, stay because you're hung over and the server room is nice and cool.
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Since I do interviewing sometimes I'll be happy to answer questions on what I look for in a tech interview, but to be honest Dilbert's OP of Do's is a good list and accurate. For instance: Interviewee start BS'ing me and I give a no hire recommendation. If I get a resume that lists a ton of certs and I know the subject of those certs bet on getting everything from easy questions up to and including in depth architecture. I'm not trying to make the interviewee look bad or anything like that. I need to know how deep the applicants knowledge really is, and honestly I need to hear a "I don't know, but" with whatever follows the but being what the applicant thinks would work or a logical process to get somewhere near the answer. Also I personally don't like applicants that try to butter me up, or schmooz. Be yourself, I'm not looking to have my ego stroked in the interview. I need to know your real personality so I can make a judicious decision of if you have what it takes to do my job. Oh yeah and I can talk about Cloud too, just from the MS perspective.
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Is a Data Scientist considered IT? I have no idea on typical background, is it something covered in CS? Also now I'm seeing the title Architect being abused more frequently, no longer engineer or administrator, one is a network architect, systems architect, or cloud architect.
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The architect is supposed to be the senior-most network/systems engineer. In practice, it's never used this way.
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DragonReach posted:I'm not trying to make the interviewee look bad or anything like that. I need to know how deep the applicants knowledge really is, and honestly I need to hear a "I don't know, but" with whatever follows the but being what the applicant thinks would work or a logical process to get somewhere near the answer. Quoting this for posterity.
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I wanted to touch a little on the hiring/interview aspects of IT as well. I'm not a hiring manager but we do team based interviews and I've been involved with those for about the last 5 years, and I'd like to think my voice carries quite a bit of weight with my boss. The following is my opinion based on my experience with my current company. The last guy we hired didn't even interview with our VP he said "If you believe he's the right guy for the job, I trust you, this one is on you if it doesn't work out". The guy's worked out great so far. Technical Proficiency is not the most important thing when trying to get an IT job. It's probably my 3rd most important qualification. When we interview I look for 2 things first. Personality: Can we get along with this guy? You spend more time at work with your co-workers than most people do with their families all week. Interpersonal relationships are very important. Bringing someone into the team that doesn't 'fit' personality wise can be a killer and affect the entire team. Is this the kind of guy to talk down to non technical people? That's a personal pet peeve of mine. The HR lady isn't there to be technical, don't be condescending because she's having issues accessing a 'shared drive', or printing duplex. Everyone serves a purpose in the organization Can we trust this person? We're not looking for the most technically proficient candidate, but we need to get the impression that we can trust you. Will you accomplish what you say you will? Will you own up to your mistakes? Everyone makes mistakes, but trying to cover them up instead of getting in front of them is usually not good. Are you a cowboy? We had a network engineer a few years ago that just had this cowboy attitude. Making changes during business hours without running it by anyone, not following change control procedures or getting business unit owners approvals. He didn't last long. Yes the red tape in corporate can be frustrating, but it's there for a reason. We're a global company and just because you make a change at 8AM west coast doesn't mean it isn't affecting the folks on the east coast and in Europe. That gentleman didn't last too long. He was very technically proficient, probably the most knowledgeable network engineer we ever hired when it comes to straight technical knowledge but he didn't play well with others or followed the rules and was shown the door. Now we get to the technical knowledge. We decide to talk to folks based on their resume, but remember, job postings are 'Wish Lists' for candidates. It's very unlikely anyone is going to hit every single skill bullet point we're looking for. We're really looking for someone that hits a fair bit of them and shows us during the interview that they could get up to speed in a reasonable manner in our environment. This means don't be shy about apply for jobs because you don't have X qualification that's listed. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by applying for a job. If they want 5 years of VMware and you only have 3, who cares? Apply anyway. Or you use NetApp but they are an EMC shop. I'm sure you can get up to speed on the differences pretty quickly, go ahead an apply. I'm going to question you on what you put on your resume, it is unacceptable for you to list a skill but then not be able to back it up, but if you don't list it and I ask you about it and you say you don't know well that's totally fine. Here's an example from the last position we hired. I used to handle servers and desktops for a 450 seat call center so scripting and automation was big for me. Me: I see you've listed powershell scripting as a skill on your resume, tell me about a script you put together and what it did and how it saved you some time. (I'm not looking for specifics, just a general answer like oh I needed to change X setting on X computers so I threw together a powershell script that took a text file list of computers and changed the setting remotely, or I used powershell to run a weekly report of free disk space on servers) Candidate 1: Oh well you know I don't really have too much powershell experience. He bullshitted his experience on the resume and that immediately makes us question everything else on his resume. Candidate 1 is pretty much not getting the job at this point because we can't trust him. Candidate 2 didn't list powershell or scripting experience on his resume Me: So Candidate 2 do you have any experience with using powershell or any other kind of scripting? Candidate2: No, not really. I haven't really used scripting before. Ok, no problem, I was just fishing for something not on his resume to ask questions. This isn't a positive or negative in my eyes since it wasn't listed on his resume. Obviously someone with powershell scripting would be more desirable than someone without, but this answer didn't disqualify him in my eyes. Candidate 3 - Has some bash/perl scripting experience listed on his resume since he managed Linux systems at a previous job, no Windows scripting listed on resume Me: So do you have any experience with Windows scripting? Powershell, VBS? Anything like that? Candidate 3: A little bit. I've googled how to do things and put some basic scripts together to accomplish a few things, but I wouldn't consider myself proficient with Windows scripting That right there is a good answer. He didn't bullshit us on his resume, was candid about his skills and showed he has the initiative to figure something out on his own by piecing something together off google. Candidate 3 ended up proceeding in the interview process. In a nutshell, be personable, be honest, and don't bullshit us and you have a good shot at getting the job. skipdogg fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Aug 24, 2013 |
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MrMoo posted:Is a Data Scientist considered IT? I have no idea on typical background, is it something covered in CS? Depends what you mean by "Data scientist" it sounds like a high name for a DataBase Administrator, or Storage Engineer. Architect usually pertains more to someone who evaluates a environment and designed and builds around the business requirements. Most of these are upper level, have experience in Administration, this title does appear more in VAR/MSP situations however, where you will be upgrading client networks/servers/storage. Of course MUCH of HR just googles "IT title" and will paste the first thing they come across evol262 posted:Excellent OP. If you want elaboration on Linux or THE CLOUD and what it means, happy to do a writeup (I'm in the cloud eng department of Redhat and actively work on/with OpenStack. If you want to write about the linux portion I'll quote you on it, I know a great deal of *nix but I won't go off spouting things that isn't my main job. I'll grab more of the cloud stuff here in a bit. Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Aug 24, 2013 |
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Depends what you mean by "Data scientist" it sounds like a high name for a DataBase Administrator, or Storage Engineer. Data scientists are typically employed to make sense out of Big Data, i.e. a glorified data analyst. quote:Architect usually pertains more to someone who evaluates a environment and designed and builds around the business requirements. I have the title "Solutions Architect" and I seem to do anything. This week its VM CJ-ing.
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When my new contract start date got moved back from Mon to Wed and so far I have seen two different job titles, Analyst vs Engineer, this is going to be interesting. How many people have jumped ship on a contract before your first day on a contract? I always have this crazy moralist point of view about running the first option year on a contract before leaving.
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Are you working down at DSCR, or are you done with the government game?
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Tasty Wheat posted:When my new contract start date got moved back from Mon to Wed and so far I have seen two different job titles, Analyst vs Engineer, this is going to be interesting. Do you really think this is a bad sign? As long as the job description is the same, who cares about the title? I've been "Application Systems Engineer 4", "Operating Systems Engineer 2", "Systems Analyst", "Data Center Specialist", and more. All of them were basically "systems administrator", and the first two were literally the same job on the same team, just in different locations.
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evol262 posted:Do you really think this is a bad sign? As long as the job description is the same, who cares about the title? Because the job title implies what the company is willing to pay you, generally based on the average of {job title} in the area. If company A wants to hire you as a "Senior Systems Engineer" and company B wants to hire you as "Computer Assistant II", it can end up being pretty telling exactly what your potential for advancement in the company is, not to mention the respect for your work you'll get when you're there.
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What's the "best" way to ask for a raise?
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Tab8715 posted:What's the "best" way to ask for a raise? Have another job offer in hand for more money, and then explain that your current responsibilities exceed your compensation. Be ready to walk. Alternatively be truly indispensable, and do the same thing. Others I am sure will have better advice. Those two have worked for me. BTW I didn't stay at either job for much longer. For the first one, they didn't have any extra money in the budget, for the second, I didn't like the job that much anyway.
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Tab8715 posted:What's the "best" way to ask for a raise?
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If the minimum wage ends up getting raised, is it fair to ask that my pay get raised in accord with the amount it was raised by?
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DragonReach posted:Have another job offer in hand for more money Be careful about doing this, because there are definitely some companies who will use that to start looking for your replacement even if they do give you a raise.
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Ursine Asylum posted:Be careful about doing this, because there are definitely some companies who will use that to start looking for your replacement even if they do give you a raise. If you carefully document everything can't you sue them if they 'fire' you, even in an at-will state? The evidence is in your favor.
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FFStudios posted:If the minimum wage ends up getting raised, is it fair to ask that my pay get raised in accord with the amount it was raised by? Unless you're within a buck or two of minimum wage to begin with (and if you are making $9 an hour in IT, holy gently caress, get out), my gut says this would not have good results. Either you're in a low wage position where the main goal is keeping costs down, and management will come back with "you already make more than that. Nope!" Or you're well paid and asking for another 75c an hour would be silly. Your time would be better spent arguing for a major pay raise than a 0.5% hike, or updating the resume and jumping ship. Docjowles fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Aug 25, 2013 |
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d3rt posted:If you carefully document everything can't you sue them if they 'fire' you, even in an at-will state? The evidence is in your favor. You can sue whoever you want, that doesn't make it easy or a good idea in all cases, even if you're right.
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EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:even if you're right. God bless America.
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Docjowles posted:(and if you are making $9 an hour in IT, holy gently caress, get out) I'm making $10.15/hour
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The sysadmin section is pretty slim, and I think could use some bulking up. It's been a while since I've done corp/windows stuff so I'll leave that to someone else but what do you think about this section for ops? System Administrator - Operations Opposed to the corp sysadmin who builds and supports the tools that help employees do their jobs is the ops sysadmin who supports applications that usually provide direct revenue for the company. Web operations, an example I have direct experience with, will require a vast variety of skillsets - with lots of potential for specialization if you want to work for mega-huge companies. The obvious first step towards getting a career in a web operations role is to learn about web servers. There many different choices although nginx and apache are definitely the most popular, each with their own benefit. Are you just running simple static pages or dynamic content generated by backend application servers? How do you scale? Software load balancer, hardware? What caching application best suits your data model? You'll likely need to work with developers when deciding on what technology to use to run the products they create, which means you need to understand the benefits of memcache vs redis vs cassandra vs mongo vs hbase, etc, for whatever application you need to run. Beyond the production applications there are the operations tools that will decide how the work flows through your team. Learn to use version control. Git is a good choice, and when tied in with a continous integration app like jenkins, allows you to verify that quality code is being pushed in addition to providing automatic updates on build status to your irc channel, jira ticket, email and whatever else you need. With virtual application stack testing using vagrant you can rest safely knowing your code is fully tested before going live. What code is an ops sysadmin likely to write? Besides whatever scripts any admin worth his salt is going to write on his or her own there will be some form of configuration automation - perhaps puppet, chef or cfengine, although there are many others. Now that you have an environment that can easily push code to and that can rebuild itself, you better make sure you have everything from system health to application status monitored intelligently so that you only get called for actual problems. Which brings us to one of the many facts of life for operations sysadmins - on call duties. You will most likely be participating in an on-call rotation along with your team to provide 24/7 support for the company. Since the computers you are responsible for are directly making the company money, any problems with the infrastructure will immediately become your problem after hours. Even if you build a 'perfect' system, developers won't always write good code, and problems will occur at some point so just always be prepared. These environments are largely run on linux, if that hasn't stood out to you by this point. From what I've seen it's difficult to find sysadmins with the deep skill-sets required to flourish in fast paced operations environments, which is why employers are paying large sums of money to keep talented individuals. The learning curve is high due to the sheer number of different technologies you will be responsible for, and of course can be frustrating when you get woken up for bad code instead of an actual systems issue, but it is a very rewarding career path. joe944 fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Aug 25, 2013 |
# ? Aug 25, 2013 07:00 |
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FFStudios posted:I'm making $10.15/hour Goondolences. Sorry, maybe you're more entry level than I was assuming. I've been there too and when I asked for a similar minimum wage bump was basically told to get hosed, so that colors my perception. Maybe your employer is less of a shitlord than some in my past. What's your job title and usual duties? $10 an hour seems super low but maybe not if you're grinding it out at Geek Squad or something. If that's the case and you want to move deeper into the IT field, I'd point you to the Home Lab and IT Certification threads here in SH/SC as a good next step. joe944 posted:System Administrator - Operations This is a good post. Maybe also make mention of on-call as a fact of life for anyone in ops. But with the caveat that there's good on-call (rotation among a team, NOC guys taking the brunt of off-hours crap if you're really lucky and/or work for a larger org) and lovely, exploitative on-call (you are responsible for everything personally 24/7. vacation? lol!). Docjowles fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Aug 25, 2013 |
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# ? Apr 20, 2024 01:44 |
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So I was recently hired by a company as an Information Systems Analyst. I am literally the only IT person in the company, and as such I travel the entire county supporting numerous sites. I get paid mileage and 17.50/hour. Does this seem right?
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