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SirDan3k posted:I'm looking forward to the heads exploding when the fiends just kill her off for being a possible monkey wrench in their plans for the snarl. If you off a character after spending long periods of time setting up an interesting conflict, you get bloated meaningless stories. Killing characters off just to be shocking is something only a bad writer does.
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ConfusedUs posted:It's a quote from this comic http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0881.html Ah. I hate it when your spare goes flat.
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Aug 26, 2013 17:24
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ImpAtom posted:If you off a character after spending long periods of time setting up an interesting conflict, you get bloated meaningless stories. Killing characters off just to be shocking is something only a bad writer does. If the writer telegraphs that there's more to a character's arc, then axes the character, then that's the revelation that the story is different than you can be led to believe. Which, done right, is the good kind of shocking.
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Bongo Bill posted:If the writer telegraphs that there's more to a character's arc, then axes the character, then that's the revelation that the story is different than you can be led to believe. Which, done right, is the good kind of shocking. That is true, but that is generally done early on when setting the tone of the story, not 3/4ths of the way through after another (series of) shocking death which seems to primarily exist to set up the character to do more things. It could happen but I'd be willing to bet money that Sabine is coming out of this with her own narrative that's probably going to end up throwing a serious monkey wrench in someone's world-domination plans. (Not the least of which because "the love of a demon for a sociopath helps save the world" is the kind of role reversal that OotS loves.)
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Aug 26, 2013 17:35
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Who What Now posted:Disintegrate doesn't stop True Resurrection. All you need to do is find a 17th level cleric and 25,000gp worth of diamonds.
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Aug 26, 2013 17:52
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Well that answers that question on if Nale will be coming back. Yeah, Sabine is pissed. I have to wonder where the story's going to go with her now. Also, heh, Plasma Screen.
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Aug 26, 2013 19:05
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Psst, they made the plasma screen joke themselves the first time it appeared.
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Aug 26, 2013 19:21
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The real joke is on all of you, plasma is yellow.
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Aug 26, 2013 20:21
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CapnAndy posted:I don't think Durkon or Redcloak would be willing to bring Nale back. Durkula is still friends with Elan, and I can easily see Elan wanting to bring his brother back in a misguided attempt to try to get his brother to atone or to right his ignoble death.
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Aug 26, 2013 20:40
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Who What Now posted:Durkula is still friends with Elan, and I can easily see Elan wanting to bring his brother back in a misguided attempt to try to get his brother to atone or to right his ignoble death.
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Aug 26, 2013 20:50
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My bet is that we'll see Sabine sneaking into Tarquin's place to steal the dagger he killed Nale with...or maybe the cloth he used to clean said dagger off. Then all she needs is a 13th level cleric along with some of Nale's blood and she's good to go.
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Aug 26, 2013 21:05
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Blackheart posted:I keep my theory that his punishment will be dying a forgettable, almost off-panel death. Maybe raised as a mindless thrall by Xykon or something, not because of any revenge fantasy, but because it would just be so fitting. Maybe Sabine will help orchestrate it all somehow. "Note: Tarquin died on the way back to his home planet"
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Aug 26, 2013 21:06
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jng2058 posted:My bet is that we'll see Sabine sneaking into Tarquin's place to steal the dagger he killed Nale with...or maybe the cloth he used to clean said dagger off. Then all she needs is a 13th level cleric along with some of Nale's blood and she's good to go. Any blood on that knife was removed from the body before Nale's death (note his eyes weren't yet exes when the knife was withdrawn), and as such it doesn't qualify for Raise Dead. Rich can handle things however he likes, but I doubt he'd cheat that rule in order to undo what's a pretty drat good way, narratively speaking, for Nale to exit. If we see more of Nale I expect it will be because Sabine visits him in hell. After all, we've already seen the lawful good afterlife.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Any blood on that knife was removed from the body before Nale's death (note his eyes weren't yet exes when the knife was withdrawn), and as such it doesn't qualify for Raise Dead. I was actually about to ask this exact question.
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Zogundar posted:"Note: Tarquin died on the way back to his home planet" "I have a message. General... Tarquin's pterodactyl was shot down... over the Great Barren Desert. It spun in... there were no survivors."
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Colonel Cool posted:"I have a message. General... Tarquin's pterodactyl was shot down... over the Great Barren Desert. It spun in... there were no survivors."
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What if someone wished Nale back to life? .... What? I mean hypothetically.
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reignofevil posted:What if someone wished Nale back to life? Then he'd still be as useless as he was before we saw Tarquin?
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reignofevil posted:What if someone wished Nale back to life? It would work. Wish let's you replicate any spell level 9 or less and that includes True Ressurection Sir Kodiak posted:Any blood on that knife was removed from the body before Nale's death (note his eyes weren't yet exes when the knife was withdrawn), and as such it doesn't qualify for Raise Dead. Rich can handle things however he likes, but I doubt he'd cheat that rule in order to undo what's a pretty drat good way, narratively speaking, for Nale to exit. If we see more of Nale I expect it will be because Sabine visits him in hell. After all, we've already seen the lawful good afterlife. That's a pretty subtle point, but a good one, I'll admit.
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Hypothetically, a wish can not restore someone to life, but it can put them in a state where they can be raised. You could wish for a body, for example. Miracle also would suffice, and bring them back directly, but if you know Miracle you know True Resurrection anyway.
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Blackheart posted:I keep my theory that his punishment will be dying a forgettable, almost off-panel death. Maybe raised as a mindless thrall by Xykon or something, not because of any revenge fantasy, but because it would just be so fitting. Maybe Sabine will help orchestrate it all somehow. Also, Sabin killing him basically off panel would definitely destroy his dreams of story immortality. Nobody really remembers the villain who got assassinated by his son's ex girlfriend in an underhand matter.
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e X posted:Also, Sabin killing him basically off panel would definitely destroy his dreams of story immortality. He'll suplex the train Tarquin's in. It never made it to the station. Be interesting to see what angle Sabine takes to getting revenge given that Tarquin is probably not going to be caught off-guard by a shape-shifter and is probably appropriately plot-paranoid of a lover's revenge. Especially now that bringing Nale back is completely out.
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CapnAndy posted:He's also evil and dislikes Nale enough to respond to a job offer with a slaughter-fest. I don't see him bringing Nale back. He's also Lawful, and deeply loyal to his friends, something that we've been shown before isn't something that's unique to Good aligned characters. Besides that, Elan's one sole power is his ability to persuade his friends when he really wants to. I don't think it's likely, but it's far from impossible. -EDIT- I don't think for a second Nale is going to be resurrected until the main plot is resolved, though. He's out of the game. Who What Now fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Aug 26, 2013 |
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Guyver posted:The real joke is on all of you, plasma is yellow. Blood plasma is yellow? Ew. No one except people like you would have gotten the joke though.
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Who What Now posted:He's also Lawful, and deeply loyal to his friends, something that we've been shown before isn't something that's unique to Good aligned characters. Besides that, Elan's one sole power is his ability to persuade his friends when he really wants to. I don't think it's likely, but it's far from impossible. Yeah, looking at the description on the D&D wiki, you can True Resurrect someone that died up to 10 years ago per caster level. Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if, after the story's done, we get an epilogue at some point in the future showing Sabine forming a new group with the sole purpose of levelling up a caster who can cast it (assuming succubi are long-lived, of course).
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D&D SRD posted:A wish can bring a dead creature back to life by duplicating a resurrection spell. A wish can revive a dead creature whose body has been destroyed, but the task takes two wishes, one to recreate the body and another to infuse the body with life again. A wish cannot prevent a character who was brought back to life from losing an experience level. So yeah, two Wishes and she's good. Or one Wish and a Raise Dead.
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Hot Lead Allergy posted:Be interesting to see what angle Sabine takes to getting revenge given that Tarquin is probably not going to be caught off-guard by a shape-shifter and is probably appropriately plot-paranoid of a lover's revenge. Especially now that bringing Nale back is completely out.
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Ah, Tarquin, this? This is your Thrawn oversight. This is what's leading up to your 'But it was so artistically done'. This is the issue every villain with legit brains crashes into. Do you recognize this? No? Understanding the power of story is great right until you realize that doesn't mean you have your path all figured out.
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jng2058 posted:My bet is that we'll see Sabine sneaking into Tarquin's place to steal the dagger he killed Nale with...or maybe the cloth he used to clean said dagger off. Then all she needs is a 13th level cleric along with some of Nale's blood and she's good to go. Or they have a system already set up just in case with a bit of blood stored somewhere safe. Not that it will happen, of course, just that Nale returning and saving the day while taking out his dad wouldn't be out of the question.
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Random Stranger posted:Or they have a system already set up just in case with a bit of blood stored somewhere safe. There is no method of bringing the dead back to life in D&D 3.5 where a vial of blood drawn before death is an assistance. Rich could invent one, it's his story, but then he could do the same thing with true-name based resurrection, true-love based resurrection, or resurrection based around a clown nose kept in Nale's pocket for a year. Body parts are only useful in raising the dead if taken after death in order to keep adventurers from doing precisely this.
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I'm surprised that V is still strapped to the table. They can't have a lot of time left on his claim after the temple escape, golem fight, reuniting with Durkon, talking to Tarquinn and Nale's execution.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, Tarquin is completely hosed. His whole "he was just cluttering up the obvious narrative arc between me and you" thing is going to bite him in the rear end so so hard. Tarquin is definitely setting himself up to dying like a chump with no one ever even knowing or caring. jng2058 posted:So yeah, two Wishes and she's good. Or one Wish and a Raise Dead. How much trouble did they have finding a Cleric who could resurrect Roy? Durkon was pretty much the only one they could use, and he's a PC. I'm imagining that people who can resurrect the living are in short supply in this particular world.
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Guyver posted:The real joke is on all of you, plasma is yellow. Actually, it is our poo poo diets that make it that way.  Compare healthy on the left to standard fast food eating out of shape goon on the right
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually, it is our poo poo diets that make it that way. That straight up looks like a bag of bacon grease. I want to see how fat that dude was.
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Fried Chicken posted:Compare healthy on the left to standard fast food eating out of shape goon on the right Jesus, you can't even see through the bag on the right.  Is that all just fat or what?
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Calaveron posted:How much trouble did they have finding a Cleric who could resurrect Roy? Durkon was pretty much the only one they could use, and he's a PC. I'm imagining that people who can resurrect the living are in short supply in this particular world. How hard was it for Nale to find Hilgya? Or Leeky? Or Zz'ditri? From an in-game standpoint, Sabine is a Succubus with access to mind control magic, shapeshifting, rogue infiltration skills, and no compunction about using any or all of that, plus brutal murder on top, to get what she wants. Not to mention we've seen, albeit in a bonus strip, that she's hundreds or thousands of years old and has a nearly endless list of fiends in her little black book to call on for help. "Hey Gzz'nar, you're looking good. Say, are you still working for that cult down in the Dampened Dungeon? You are? Great! I need a favor, sweetie..." From a story standpoint, Sabine is an antagonist and whatever difficulties she may or may not have in screwing with the protagonists will likely occur mostly if not completely off-panel. Especially since the Linear Guild only ever shows up once every other book or so, such that if Sabine does find a way to bring Nale back, they'll probably skip the whole next book and show up in the last one.
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Fried Chicken posted:Actually, it is our poo poo diets that make it that way. You could still reasonably call both of those yellow. It's sure as hell not instantly-recognize-it blood red.
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morcant posted:Jesus, you can't even see through the bag on the right. Cabbit posted:You could still reasonably call both of those yellow. It's sure as hell not instantly-recognize-it blood red. Yeah, I thought the difference was more extreme. Then when I found the picture and accompany explanation, I wanted to share something I had learned 
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jng2058 posted:My bet is that we'll see Sabine sneaking into Tarquin's place to steal the dagger he killed Nale with...or maybe the cloth he used to clean said dagger off. Then all she needs is a 13th level cleric along with some of Nale's blood and she's good to go. NALE IS NOT COMING BACK I mean yes, I can see it being a motivation for Sabine's upcoming Roaring Rampage of Revenge, but Nale himself will play no further part in the story. That's why he got disintegrated.
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