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Agatsu posted:Hi all- The CCNA is guaranteed to have 2-3 simulations on it if I remember correctly. Usually involving something like OSPF, RIP, and setting up some sort of network. Basically any of the examples of stuff they setup in your practice book are probably fair game. Your mileage may differ on the actual simulations.
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Virigoth posted:The CCNA is guaranteed to have 2-3 simulations on it if I remember correctly. Usually involving something like OSPF, RIP, and setting up some sort of network. Basically any of the examples of stuff they setup in your practice book are probably fair game. Your mileage may differ on the actual simulations. Thanks Virigoth. None of my practice materials have talked about actual simulations yet, checking these out now. I still have a week, should be enough time to polish out cli stuffs.
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Agatsu posted:Hi all- Anyone that's taken the test can't say what was on it, but Cisco offers a tutorial for the type of questions you'll receive on their website.
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Barnsey posted:Yea, heard about that but I work in UK government and it's based on Prince2 methodology so guess it makes sense to go down that route. I think I would be going over old ground if I was to go for the PMP. Yeah that's what I figured after going my quick google search on Prince2 it looks to be similar but I think the good thing about a PMP is because it's an internationally recognized cert you might get more milage out of it if you ever decide to leave government work. I can't see why not taking more technical skills would be a downside. I just got my PMP but work doesn't really have a position that I can utilize it full time so I'm moving towards a sysadmin role for now with the hope that in 6-12 mo I can start leading projects and such within that group. I figure it's a good chance to get more hands on with the hardware and software we support while seeing what areas need improvement and trying to bring up solutions from the inside.
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Aug 30, 2013 18:34
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Agatsu posted:Thanks Virigoth. None of my practice materials have talked about actual simulations yet, checking these out now. I still have a week, should be enough time to polish out cli stuffs. I've been studying CCNA for a few weeks and my practice tests (Boson) have a ton of CLI on them. I do not know if this is realistic or not.
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Aug 30, 2013 21:14
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KetTarma posted:I've been studying CCNA for a few weeks and my practice tests (Boson) have a ton of CLI on them. I do not know if this is realistic or not. I started out using the Lammle CCNA study guide book and included cd with practice tests, and I'm learning that the testing style I've been studying with is way oversimplified. I test next Thursday, so I'm happy to learn about this now - while I can pass the tests on the CD, I don't think I'm up to snuff with the actual pearsonvue format. At least I have a few days to correct this. And just fyi, I'm not asking for anything illegal in terms of actual test content - just trying to familiarize myself with how they are going to ask questions, really. Maybe I'm not the brightest, but so far my impression is this test is serious business. I'll be busting my rear end until Thursday.
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Aug 30, 2013 21:20
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Agatsu posted:I started out using the Lammle CCNA study guide book and included cd with practice tests, and I'm learning that the testing style I've been studying with is way oversimplified. I test next Thursday, so I'm happy to learn about this now - while I can pass the tests on the CD, I don't think I'm up to snuff with the actual pearsonvue format. At least I have a few days to correct this. I generally don't kill myself studying for certification tests for my first try. I like to take them, see what is on it and what I have problems with and then study hard and go to pass on the second try. I have killed myself studying for weeks only to take a test and it be nothing like the study guide or vendor example.
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Aug 30, 2013 22:26
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Fyi, MS turned SecondShot back on earlier this morning. If you're at all considering getting an MS cert, grab a free voucher now. You don't pay until you pick the exam/pack and book an appointment and they're good through next May.
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Aug 30, 2013 23:56
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dotster posted:I generally don't kill myself studying for certification tests for my first try. I like to take them, see what is on it and what I have problems with and then study hard and go to pass on the second try. I have killed myself studying for weeks only to take a test and it be nothing like the study guide or vendor example. While that is by all means an excellent method, I'm fronting the cash on the test out of pocket - I don't have $300 to toss at it for practice. My plan is to rock this all the way through CCNP, so first time passes are my goal. After having a few hour freakout over reading what the labs are like, I'm confident I can get through this. With a shitton of work, mind you.
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Aug 30, 2013 23:58
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keseph posted:Fyi, MS turned SecondShot back on earlier this morning. If you're at all considering getting an MS cert, grab a free voucher now. You don't pay until you pick the exam/pack and book an appointment and they're good through next May. Son of a bitch. I took mine last Wed.
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Agatsu posted:While that is by all means an excellent method, I'm fronting the cash on the test out of pocket - I don't have $300 to toss at it for practice. My plan is to rock this all the way through CCNP, so first time passes are my goal. Well that defiantly makes a difference. I am lucky I guess my company pays for all my testing and re-certs. A lot of people I know have had success getting their companies to at least pay for any passed test that is job related.
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Aug 31, 2013 02:02
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keseph posted:Fyi, MS turned SecondShot back on earlier this morning. If you're at all considering getting an MS cert, grab a free voucher now. You don't pay until you pick the exam/pack and book an appointment and they're good through next May. Thank you for the heads up. I already paid for the 686 a couple of weeks ago, but this will be awesome for the server 2012 tests I'll be taking afterwards.
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Aug 31, 2013 02:48
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I've paid for most of my certifications out of pocket. A few hundred dollars is a drop in the bucket when you consider the ROI on something like a CCNA.
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Aug 31, 2013 13:35
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psydude posted:I've paid for most of my certifications out of pocket. A few hundred dollars is a drop in the bucket when you consider the ROI on something like a CCNA. Absolutely true, but I still don't want to pay for it more than once.
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Aug 31, 2013 18:33
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psydude posted:I've paid for most of my certifications out of pocket. A few hundred dollars is a drop in the bucket when you consider the ROI on something like a CCNA. I guess I am spoiled as I have never worked somewhere that would not pay for cert exams and a few training classes per year. I agree that the cost is trivial vs. the benefit.
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Aug 31, 2013 19:22
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I've paid for all of my certifications out of pocket. My prior employer offered to fund my CCNA but also wanted me to sign a one year contract to do so. Hmmmmmm, $300 or chained down to this hell hole for one more year of hell. Tough decision.
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Aug 31, 2013 19:49
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GOOCHY posted:I've paid for all of my certifications out of pocket. My prior employer offered to fund my CCNA but also wanted me to sign a one year contract to do so. Without some sort of salary increase or a bonus as part of the deal for passing I would only do this if I was very new to IT, probably first year in networking.
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Aug 31, 2013 19:52
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dotster posted:Without some sort of salary increase or a bonus as part of the deal for passing I would only do this if I was very new to IT, probably first year in networking. I effectively told them to eat me. Took the test, passed with flying colors, and job jumped for almost $20K in raises. Don't settle, kids.
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Aug 31, 2013 19:56
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GOOCHY posted:I've paid for all of my certifications out of pocket. My prior employer offered to fund my CCNA but also wanted me to sign a one year contract to do so. I paid for all of my MCITP Enterprise Admin, Exchange 2010, and CCNA exams out of pocket due to my employers lovely stance on furthering education for their employees. Even though I had been there 7 years. It took a year to get it all done, but the job offers came quickly, and I've never felt a better sense of catharsis than giving my 2 weeks notice (with nearly 200 vaca hours banked because I killed myself for that job). So my reward was quitting that poo poo-awful job and moving on to make nearly 2x as much in a better part of the country. So the ROI argument is a good one, but step 1 is almost certainly going to involve peacing out. e: I should add, that these weren't an effort to educate myself further even. I worked for a firm that consulted specifically on things like AD deployments, Exchange migrations, virtualization, and networking. Being told "no" was absurd. My new job is great and does things like pay for the required VMWare class, and paid for a couple of us to attend VMWorld last week. I passed my VCP510 with a 405 while I was there, and I remember these things when I am stuck dealing with some late night bullshit. I don't think employers really understand how much simply not saying "no" to helping out with training and certifications help with employee moral. edit: GOOCHY posted:I effectively told them to eat me. Took the test, passed with flying colors, and job jumped for almost $20K in raises. Wisdom. Blame Pyrrhus fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Aug 31, 2013 |
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Aug 31, 2013 20:04
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GOOCHY posted:I effectively told them to eat me. Took the test, passed with flying colors, and job jumped for almost $20K in raises. Yup, if your company is asking you to take a risk they should expect to compensate you for it.
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Aug 31, 2013 20:05
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keseph posted:Woo. 70-465 down with a 906. Do I dare shoot for the 88-986 now? Welp! So much for that idea. http://sirsql.net/blog/2013/8/30/so-long-mcm
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keseph posted:Welp! So much for that idea. That sucks. I don't understand the rational for that...don't you want masters of your technology out there? Also failed my 70-642. I scored high on everything but network access, which dragged me down. I'm going to spend the next week doubling down and getting that done. Outside of knowing port numbers, most of the questions were "what would you deploy for this solution?".
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keseph posted:Welp! So much for that idea.
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Agatsu posted:Absolutely true, but I still don't want to pay for it more than once. To your earlier questions, without breaking the NDA I think you definitely want to be proficient enough with the CLI that you can pretty thoughtlessly navigate it, at the very least use tab completion and '?' on top of a good feel for the many commands such that you don't need to sit there and think about it. Knowing the poo poo blind from two semesters' worth of labs setting up and tearing down routers and switches was a huge factor in my inishing the test on time. Best of luck, kick its rear end, fear is the mind-killer etc.
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My second week of CCNA is underway. I am really REALLY liking how the Network Academy is constructed. So far I have not needed to touch the print books as they are exact word for word copies as to what is online. Getting used to packet tracer and screwing around with a switch with preliminary commands for understanding the CLI. I like how there are preset activities, it says you need to do XYZ with hand holding, then says do the same thing on Switch 2, but do this (without the handholding) to enforce repetition and retention of the command structure. I have noticed that the labs, as they advance, build on the previous. So instead of just configuring an IP for something in a somewhat later lab, it goes over setting the service password-encryption command, securing the console, setting an enable password etc. After a few practices of this one lab I can do what I need to to get 100% on that lab without reading the handholding part. Anyway, so far so good, I just hope I dont build up a false sense of confidence like MS did. As for Networking Academy, the online content is pretty well laid out so far. Easy to read, broken up in nice chunks with accompanying graphics. I really like how it uses Flash to simulate the CLI for learning and testing commands.
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RE: 70-642. All my missed answers are in the supplemental book "Windows ServerŪ 2008 Networking and Network Access Protection (NAP)". A book that is brought up in passing reference in the exam book for the test said book is written for. Microsoft doesn't even recommend this book formally on its exam objectives page. I'm so livid right now. Sorry had to get that off my chest.
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I'm not sure if I asked this before, but can Lammle and Odom's materials for the 2007 edition of the CCNA be used over their new books for the new test if you're planning to take the new test? Are the new tests really that different or do they just rearrange, remove and add a few things?
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incoherent posted:RE: 70-642. All my missed answers are in the supplemental book "Windows ServerŪ 2008 Networking and Network Access Protection (NAP)". A book that is brought up in passing reference in the exam book for the test said book is written for. Microsoft doesn't even recommend this book formally on its exam objectives page. Ugh I didn't even know this existed as its one of my weak points as well
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jane came by posted:I'm not sure if I asked this before, but can Lammle and Odom's materials for the 2007 edition of the CCNA be used over their new books for the new test if you're planning to take the new test? Are the new tests really that different or do they just rearrange, remove and add a few things? They're not useless but the new exams go further than the books and add a few new areas of study that I believe weren't normally discussed until CCNP level.
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ToG posted:They're not useless but the new exams go further than the books and add a few new areas of study that I believe weren't normally discussed until CCNP level. I know they're retiring the 640-802 CCNA test this month in favor of the new tests you mentioned - but is it safe to assume the current CCNP tests should remain the same for a good while? Also just to comment per Lammles book - I have it - and after doing some research last week, discovered that the included test materials are pretty weak. Don't lean on being able to pass the test by being able to pass the included quizzing with that book (on the included cd). I haven't tested yet but I'm glad I went looking for other study materials last week, or I would have been screwed. Still might we will see (I don't think so anymore)
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dotster posted:I generally don't kill myself studying for certification tests for my first try. I like to take them, see what is on it and what I have problems with and then study hard and go to pass on the second try. I have killed myself studying for weeks only to take a test and it be nothing like the study guide or vendor example. That's what I did taking the ICND2 exam Sunday and I think it helped since I thought the new test came out already since I needed a 825 on 45 Q within 75 min. when I thought it was 804 on 50 within 60 min. 7 questions (I counted) also dealt with IPv6 which I had been told wouldn't be on a test pre-9/30 Obviously I failed it (566) but I don't think I wasted $150 on it it gave me a better idea of what the test expected me to know for when I take it again in 3 weeks.
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I'm starting my ROUTE studying and I'm learning cool new commands that are going to save me a million years' worth of tediousness. "tclsh" is awesome  I can write a script for my list of pings!
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Island Nation posted:Obviously I failed it (566) but I don't think I wasted $150 on it it gave me a better idea of what the test expected me to know for when I take it again in 3 weeks. Taking the test again soon is key. I know tons of people that fail a test and the wait 6-8 months to take it again only to get a whole different test version and basically start over. I am thinking of taking the CCDE written this week and probably just gonna take it cold to see what it's about.
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I took the ICND1 class last week and am thinking about when to schedule my CCENT exam. How much time do you all usually give yourselves to study? I don't want to wait 6 weeks or anything like that. Also are there any recommended study materials for the new ICND1 2.0 course? A co-worker of mine took ICND1 several months ago, before it was updated, and it sounds like we covered new material that he didn't (mainly OSPF and IPv6).
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dotster posted:Taking the test again soon is key. I know tons of people that fail a test and the wait 6-8 months to take it again only to get a whole different test version and basically start over. I actually wanted it sooner but the only weekend slot was 3 weeks out. The issue now is having the time to actually study the material (It's almost impossible to do from work).
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QPZIL posted:I'm starting my ROUTE studying and I'm learning cool new commands that are going to save me a million years' worth of tediousness. "tclsh" is awesome IOS XE will blow your mind
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dotster posted:Taking the test again soon is key. I know tons of people that fail a test and the wait 6-8 months to take it again only to get a whole different test version and basically start over. The CCDE written is no joke. A triple CCIE consultant that I'm good friends with took the exam and bombed the written so hard that he said he will probably never be able to pass it no matter what he does. It's...a weird exam. That being said, a CCDE is my ultimate goal and I will hopefully have mine within 5 years, but there is probably a reason there are 25,000+ CCIE R&S and only 100-ish CCDE (even accounting for how long the CCDE has been out). But good luck!
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Protokoll posted:The CCDE written is no joke. A triple CCIE consultant that I'm good friends with took the exam and bombed the written so hard that he said he will probably never be able to pass it no matter what he does. It's...a weird exam. Thanks, I just re-certed a with the R&S test about a month ago and I always double up so I only have to worry about it every four years so I need to take a different test. I usually just do R&S and Security but I thought I would change it up.
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Sorry, I didn't mean it to come out like that. I hope you nail the loving thing; tests are meant to be passed and/or to teach us lessons in the failing! I'm actually sitting my R&S written in a few months, so that will be a joy.
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Protokoll posted:Sorry, I didn't mean it to come out like that. I hope you nail the loving thing; tests are meant to be passed and/or to teach us lessons in the failing! I wasn't offended. The R&S can be a hard test, I think it is worse now than when I passed back in the multi-protocol days. The CCDE is defiantly different than the rest from talking to friends that have taken it.
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