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QuarkJets posted:Hybrid drives aren't much better than HDDs. The SSD portion of a hybrid drive is just used for caching, which provides a speedup for files that are very commonly accessed. This could help with gaming if you anticipate only playing 1-2 titles at a time and if you don't mind that it take some time for the disk to figure out which files are currently the ones that you want to have cached. The only seller I could see from a quick google search was e-bay, If I'm pulling out more than £400 I need to get credit. I did eye up the Lenovo Y500 before deciding on the one I posted. Simply because I didn't know what benefit an 8gb SSD would add and it had an inferior processor.
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Alright that's enough waiting for the carrot-on-a-stick T440s and the at this point imaginary T440. Ordered a Y410p, should've done that a month ago. Lets hope I don't hate the non-IPS screen. I'm gonna be putting in an SSD and moving the HDD to the ultrabay, which adapter should I get? (I'd rather not use ebay if I have the option) Is it possible to manually upgrade the network card to something like the intel 6300 or one of those bigfoot killer cards? And uh, I guess just cuz I'll feel like an idiot for no asking if it turns out that it's possible, any way to upgrade the screen to IPS? Edit: VVV You've got to be loving kidding. VVV Brut fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Lenovo finally outs the T440 (along with a few others). http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/03/lenovo-thinkpad-t440s-t440-x240-s440-s540/ quote:
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Considering I leave for the other side of the world the first week of November, I'm really hoping "October" will be soon enough  e; Then again, what the gently caress, Lenovo? No 730M in the US (but offer the 1080p that would make a dGPU make sense), and then limit the T440 to 1600x900, but offer a dGPU which makes little sense at that resolution? It's like they want to make sure that it's impossible for people to get all of what they want in one laptop.  I wonder how long it'll take for someone to try to drop a T440s 1080p replacement screen into a T440. DrDork fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Sep 3, 2013 06:39
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I am glad they got rid of the 730. It was a waste of space.
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DrDork posted:e; Then again, what the gently caress, Lenovo? No 730M in the US (but offer the 1080p that would make a dGPU make sense), and then limit the T440 to 1600x900, but offer a dGPU which makes little sense at that resolution? It's like they want to make sure that it's impossible for people to get all of what they want in one laptop. quote:Like the T440s, it's offered in touch and non-touch options, with resolution as high as 1,920 x 1,080. The S440 is the one with the lower end screen option and the lovely AMD mobile GPU. e: lack of any announced dGPU on the T440 is concerning though. Maybe this is what the -p model is for? e2: wait, looks like I'm wrong and the X240 gets 1920x1080. that is terrible Srebrenica Surprise fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Mu Zeta posted:I am glad they got rid of the 730. It was a waste of space. Srebrenica Surprise posted:You're misreading it:  Engadget posted:The main difference is that the resolution on the T440 is also capped at 1,600 x 900, whereas the T440s goes up to 1080p. Also, the T440s is a good lighter than the T440 (read: half a pound less). Note that the text-box below the T440 pictures is actually talking about the X240.
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Sep 3, 2013 06:51
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The IPS is starting to sound expensive... probably around $400 over the base model?
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Sep 3, 2013 07:01
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Haha "Hey TrackPoint users! gently caress you!" -Lenovo
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Brut posted:Alright that's enough waiting for the carrot-on-a-stick T440s and the at this point imaginary T440. Ordered a Y410p, should've done that a month ago. Now that the T440 and T440s have finally been announced, I'm actually glad that I'm getting a Y410p. Honestly, I have no idea what the form factor for the ultrabay HDD caddy has to be. It sounds like the Y410p and Y510p have different dimensions for their ultrabays, but I can't find what those actually are. There are a bunch of ebay ads for HDD caddies that claim to work with the Y410p, but some are 12.7mm and others are 9.5mm. I have trouble believing that either work, but Lenovo's site doesn't say which is correct QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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gently caress it! I'm buying a 410p. Gonna play BF4 in public (on low) erry day.
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It's a weird time to buy a laptop that you expect to last for years and years and years. The industry is in a strange place. I'm sure the 2015 Thinkpad will be fantastic but they need some time to settle back into a groove after this generation of tablet warfare. Also it's probably best to wait and see how the mobile graphics industry pushes back against next-gen consoles. Who knows, but no one should think twice about sitting this one out and getting something half as expensive that may or may not not last as long.
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bull3964 posted:Lenovo finally outs the T440 (along with a few others). It looks like poo poo. How can you even advertise "latchless lid" (i.e. we cheaped out) and "180 degree lid" (who gives a poo poo?) as features. And hey we removed the dGPU as a bonus. I know ThinkPad has gone way downhill since it became Lenovo but jesus this is a shame.
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X240 with a 1080p screen? With a touch screen option? Sounds good to me. The internal sealed battery sounds like a dumb compromise. Don't love the new hinges, but I've used similar designs before and have zero complaints about them. That awful track pad click scrape noise can be resolved with a thin bead of super glue, use it as a touch pad only with tap to click. At least they got rid of the terrible vibrator ribbed for her pleasure texture. So that's a plus.
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So let me get this straight, of those 5 models, the T440s as far as we know is the only one with an IPS option, and whatever the base spec is will be $1150? T440 being capped at 1600x900 is consistent with T430 but I was hoping for an IPS option. Joining the "glad I'm getting a y410p" bandwagon I guess haha.
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shrughes posted:No. Ok I'll bite. Why? It is known that Lenovo installs about one hundred (no joke) processes in new systems. Many are definitly not needed. DrDork posted:
But it makes sense if you do any work which requires a dGPU? Which is what T440 would be often used for? Srebrenica Surprise posted:You're misreading it: The Dell E6440 will most likely feature a fast 2GB GPU. If the T440 has no dGPU, Lenovo just hosed itself. No way in hell. Loucks posted:Haha "Hey TrackPoint users! gently caress you!" -Lenovo That too. Also here goes the dream of a T440 with good lid/hinges/clamshell and locking mechanism etc. But we kinda already knew that. Magic Underwear posted:It looks like poo poo. How can you even advertise "latchless lid" (i.e. we cheaped out) and "180 degree lid" (who gives a poo poo?) as features. And hey we removed the dGPU as a bonus. Also the non 1080p on the most premium thinkpad model. And yeah, the price. It is now really cheap, even in Europe. Yeeeeah surely the quality is still top notch. I dunno I was really hoping for the T440s being what it is but the T440 and T540 being the same sturdy machines with solid dGPU and performance options. Instead we get an inferior quality ultrabook and an inferior quality ultrabook which is fatter and has a bad screen lol Lenovo "he new modern design of the ThinkPad laptops delivers the performance users expect in business while eliciting the excitement and appeal of a consumer designed laptop." "We would really prefer to only build overpriced consumer notebooks" lol Lenovo Boner Slam fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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Hadlock posted:X240 with a 1080p screen? With a touch screen option? Sounds good to me. The internal sealed battery sounds like a dumb compromise. Oh yeah cool. So we're glossing over the absence of actual buttons in favor of clicking track pad zones? Looks like consumer garbage to me. Also I still maintain that touch screen notebooks are a really stupid idea when you have real input devices attached to the display, but that ship has sailed. Edit: Basically, Boner Slam posted:lol Lenovo Loucks fucked around with this message at 09:48 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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At this point since I can afford to wait a while, I'm going to see what the T440p looks like, but the Y410p is indeed a lot better than it used to be at B&N $900 + whatever it costs for an extra battery. If the T440 uses a standard-TDP processor, it should have HD5100, at least, but at this rate I'm expecting them to announce it has a 4200U and also features an innovative, consumer-focused automatic user-blinding laser system. All I want for Christmas is a laptop that sits between "chintzy plastic 6lb gaming laptop" and "professional business thinkpad Ultrabook!!!! at the lowest possible specs" and doesn't cost $1500. Just a basic dGPU, a nice screen, and something that doesn't fall apart when you look at it. Just one, Lenovo.
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Boner Slam posted:Ok I'll bite. Why? Whatever's running on my machine right now, they're eating negligible amounts of CPU and memory. 
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Lenovo haters: If you want a 14" laptop with physical mouse buttons, there's always... 
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Nevermind, the T440 will be available with a blazingly fast Geforce 720M, so the T440S actually has a better graphics card ahahahahahahaha The T440S has better all around specs than the T440. Why would anyone anywhere buy the T440? Lenovo, I just can't shrughes posted:Lenovo haters: what is it and does it have a nipplemouse? Boner Slam fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Sep 3, 2013 |
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shrughes posted:Lenovo haters: Does it have a TrackPoint and the build quality that led me to buy only Thinkpads in the first place? Because I could give a poo poo how it looks or how terrible the marketing is. Boner Slam posted:Nevermind, the T440 will be available with a blazingly fast Geforce 720M, so the T440S actually has a better graphics card I don't play computer games. The onboard video is fine, thanks.
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Boner Slam posted:The T440S has better all around specs than the T440. Why would anyone anywhere buy the T440? Same reasons you'd buy a T430 over a T430s - more battery options and a cheaper base price.
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dissss posted:Same reasons you'd buy a T430 over a T430s - more battery options and a cheaper base price. and here I thought you'd buy the T430 because of the NVS for CAD. But apparently it's the cheaper machine. Eh okay
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Loucks posted:Does it have a TrackPoint and the build quality that led me to buy only Thinkpads in the first place? Because I could give a poo poo how it looks or how terrible the marketing is. Better build quality than Thinkpads', but no trackpoint, and much more expensive. An HD+ screen. Also a weird keyboard layout.
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Not really comparable then. I guess the writing was on the wall with the *30 series keyboard redesign anyway.
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Well. It looks like after waiting all summer for the t440, then the other day looking into the y410p, I might actually go for the t430 in the end. It's got the upgradability and form factor I want and I'm not really planning on much work that it can't handle. And I am not waiting until October.
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So with more information available, how does the X240 compare to the XPS12? This question is possibly to torment myself for my purchase, I already bought the XPS12, the new X-series Thinkpad is the other one I would've been waiting for.
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oneof27 posted:Well. It looks like after waiting all summer for the t440, then the other day looking into the y410p, I might actually go for the t430 in the end. Yeah, I'm in pretty much the same boat as you. Waited all summer for the *40 reveal, and now I'm back looking into the T430 and IPS X230. I can put off buying until the end of October though. Hopefully I'll be able to snag one for cheap after the *40 launch.
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Yeah now I'm back to looking at the t530 again. I really want that 1080p screen, plus I'm not sure I could handle another 6 years on a crappy screen like the 440 has. Not sure I want the bigger size but, such is life I guess.
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signalnoise posted:So with more information available, how does the X240 compare to the XPS12? This question is possibly to torment myself for my purchase, I already bought the XPS12, the new X-series Thinkpad is the other one I would've been waiting for. Judging by what we know of the new thinkpads, if you don't necessarily need the trackpoint and the durability, any other laptop like the xps is going to be a better value in any case. Since the reviews of the T440s (which is apparently now the top-of-the-line Thinkpad) call the durability into question, you shouldn't regret your purchase of the XPS. If you are not one of us poor trackpoint suckers, you are probably better off.
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signalnoise posted:So with more information available, how does the X240 compare to the XPS12? This question is possibly to torment myself for my purchase, I already bought the XPS12, the new X-series Thinkpad is the other one I would've been waiting for. Base price of $1100 for the 240 with a non-touch screen and sub-1080p resolution. Sounds like it would be pricy to match even the entry level XPS12's specs.
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Boner Slam posted:the reviews of the T440s (which is apparently now the top-of-the-line Thinkpad) call the durability into question
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Progressive JPEG posted:What reviews are those? Not much hands-on: http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/3/4679848/lenovo-thinkpad-update-smaller-bodies-trackpads-battery
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The i7-4600U is up on Intel's ARK site now: http://ark.intel.com/products/76616/Intel-Core-i7-4600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz In exchange for giving up the HD 5000 GPU in the 4650U, you get a 400MHz higher base clock (from 1.7 GHz to 2.1 Ghz). The i5-4300U is up too, (http://ark.intel.com/products/76308/Intel-Core-i5-4300U-Processor-3M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz) and has 300 MHz higher base and turbo clocks than the i5-4200U. It should perform just shy of the i7-4500U currently in the Vaio Pro 13. Both should be options on the latitude 7440.
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An article and very short hands on video with the x240: http://blog.laptopmag.com/lenovo-thinkpad-x240-sports-hd-screen-epic-battery-life I have to admit, I like the changes. I want to hear/see the trackpad on the x240 to see if it's not absolute dogshit like the x440s, but now that it has higher resolution screen (and it looks like it's ips) I'll probably think about getting it. Wonder what the b&n gold price will be, since the quoted msrp prices in articles are always higher than the discounted web prices (hopefully that doesn't change).
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Aphrodite posted:Base price of $1100 for the 240 with a non-touch screen and sub-1080p resolution. Sounds like it would be pricy to match even the entry level XPS12's specs. Lenovo's "base price" is always fiction. I don't know if it's even possible to pay that amount, it seemingly exists only to tell you you're getting a discount.
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evilweasel posted:Lenovo's "base price" is always fiction. I don't know if it's even possible to pay that amount, it seemingly exists only to tell you you're getting a discount. So like the MSRP of DVDs on Amazon, I guess. I can get Super Buddies for 67% off? I'd be a fool not to buy it!
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evilweasel posted:Lenovo's "base price" is always fiction. I don't know if it's even possible to pay that amount, it seemingly exists only to tell you you're getting a discount. I think specifically it's because a lot of corporate buyers and gov't agencies have policies that require contract prices for purchases to be a certain percent off of MSRP. So a lot of sellers just set the MSRP unusually high and then give individual consumers individual discounts.
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