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Macaluso posted:Did Jake kill that bird and use it in his sandwich? I have some harsh truths to tell you about where meat comes from...
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 15:13 |
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Gally posted:I have some harsh truths to tell you about where meat comes from... What do you mean? It all comes from Meat Man... right? MojoKingBee fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Sep 4, 2013 |
# ? Sep 4, 2013 16:01 |
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MojoKingBee posted:God I love Magic Man. He's a villain, but he's not really evil. He's just a huge rear end in a top hat. This is, to me, what makes him that much more terrifying; he's a representation of banal evil. Magic Man seems to be amoral, and not only exclusively works towards his own desires, he doesn't even percieve other people as having wants or desires; they're just objects for him to work his magic on. This makes him a huge rear end in a top hat in the show, but if he were more of a 'big picture' thinker, he could easily be a genocidal madman or dictator. Magic Man is the banal, human evil that results from dehumanization. The Lich, meanwhile, isn't all that scary (aside from Ron Perlman's silky tones) because he represents a completely understandable internal force, the drive toward death instead of life. He's something that we'd like to deny, but he's in all of us, we know him- and in most cases, it's easy to deny him, to not destroy yourself. The impulse toward life wins out. The Magic Man, on the other hand, is also a tendency we all possess (self-absorption), but he's one that we don't have a strong motive to deny and may not even notice as it slowly drives us to greater and greater transgressions. Scary.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 16:45 |
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Mage Ham posted:This is, to me, what makes him that much more terrifying; he's a representation of banal evil.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 16:51 |
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Shwoo posted:Because they put out fire, probably.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 17:01 |
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I love Magic Man and glad we are seeing more of him, but I hope he never gets a backstory. I think any explanation other than "he's just a really big rear end in a top hat" would ruin his character. Also I love how unassuming his name is vs. how chaotic he is.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 17:38 |
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Militree posted:I love Magic Man and glad we are seeing more of him, but I hope he never gets a backstory. I think any explanation other than "he's just a really big rear end in a top hat" would ruin his character. Also I love how unassuming his name is vs. how chaotic he is. Did you miss the episode, Son of Mars? We know his backstory is something tragic.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 17:41 |
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Say Nothing posted:Same annoying voice over guy. No man, please. I freakin' hate that guy
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 17:46 |
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God Magic Man is my favourite character. MacheteZombie posted:Did you miss the episode, Son of Mars? We know his backstory is something tragic. Barely, is the thing. He had a sweetheart who maybe died? The thing is, he only seemed to care at the end, but then suddenly didn't anymore. And even then, don't think it's enough to explain the shift to psychopathic murdering clown man. Honestly, I don't think we should hear about Magic Man's past at all... but the thing is, I don't like how vague it was in "Sons of Mars", so maybe it wouldn't be awful. Personally I think the "just because" explanation for his personality is what makes him brilliant.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 17:55 |
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I didn't like Sons of Mars and don't think about it much. I hope Earth & Water means less CB screentime, I find him boring. I like this show so much that even minor boredom is jarring.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 19:36 |
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MacheteZombie posted:Did you miss the episode, Son of Mars? We know his backstory is something tragic. Son of mars always feels like a weird episode that drifted in over from some other series. None of it really makes sense. Looking it up it's written by a writer that wrote just that episode then left the show. It feels like someone that threw in a ton of big concepts without really backing it up.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 20:05 |
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Sons of Mars rules
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 20:10 |
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Sons of Mars was awesome. I mean, the fact that Magic Man was given this machine that would transport him back to Mars if he ever thought good thoughts about someone else, and he thought it was broken because it never worked for him once in two hundred years had to be one of the funniest things in this entire series.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 20:16 |
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Calico Heart posted:Man, you would really think PB would stop trusting Cinnamon Bun with things by now. Why would she not get Peppermint Butler or someone else to help out? Hell, even Starchy. CB is just a citizen as far as I know anyway. Would you trust Peppermint Butler if you saw what he's up to, he would use Flame Princess as a sacrifice in seconds. Also Starchy is too busy standing in graveyards with his back turned, completely defenceless to help out.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 21:01 |
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Steve Yun posted:Sons of Mars was awesome. Not to mention nearly every line from the episode is amazing. "Uhhh...Are you guys talking to me?" "Everyone is welcome to share this magic kingdom. Squirrels, black mold, worms, poison ivy, tiny manticore!" "He said his new prison is shame." etc.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 21:27 |
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Shwoo posted:Because they put out fire, probably. Before the episode aired, it was also pointed out that Earth & Water is a pretty good description of the state of the Ice Kingdom by the end of the fight.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 21:53 |
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Son of Mars is the best episode.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 22:04 |
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"Earth and Water" suggests that the episode is about aftermaths and repercussions. Literally speaking, earth and water is what was left after the battle of FP and IK, and thematically the episode deals with the aftermath of Finn's screwup with FP. Someone pointed out earlier that Finn turns back into the "water elemental" like FP called him in a previous episode, but I'm not sure if there's a similar visual pun about earth
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 22:06 |
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SpacePig posted:I couldn't find anything in the last thread, so I'll ask here: Because I like your avatar so much, here you go: I'll take requests from anybody, I've been having a lot of fun since I discovered gifcam. Just don't ask for anything fancy, like avatar sized stuff. You'll need someone with actual .gif talent for that.
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 22:30 |
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Say Nothing posted:Here's one. Thank you! This is perfect. Delaio posted:Because I like your avatar so much, here you go: Thank you, too! This also is perfect! I hope you don't like my avatar too much, because I'm hoping to turn one of these two into a new one!
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 23:10 |
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I need to learn how to draw lemongrab's face on everything vaguely lemon related
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# ? Sep 4, 2013 23:31 |
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Here's some better shots of FP's Azula outfit. What the hell is FP's real name, anyway? Shut up, dad! "Wow! She's even cooler than ever!" And Cartoon Network needs to stop putting annoying promos all over the screen.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 01:46 |
Jenx posted:And yet, funnily enough, it's a post-World War III nation. This was discussed a few pages back, but the thing with Princess Bubblegum is that while she's probably good, what she isn't is nice. This is making me imagine a 3D alignment cube with a third axis of Nice Guy - rear end in a top hat. So you can be a Lawful Good rear end in a top hat or a Neutral Evil Nice Guy, someone who could truly follow in Churchill's footsteps by following his quote, "But after all when you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 02:54 |
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So I wonder why FP's eyes are evil now.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 03:11 |
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Tollymain posted:So I wonder why FP's eyes are evil now. Probably so she can look more intimidating. The flame people seem to respect power more than anything else. She went back to normal eyes when she was talking to Finn, so I don't think it's really significant.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 03:46 |
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Of course it's significant. What, do you think this show was made by accident? The "windows to the soul" close off, and she sometimes has the eyes of a tyrant.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 03:53 |
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Tollymain posted:So I wonder why FP's eyes are evil now. "Evil evil evil evil"... (Well, that's a conveniently placed promo). "Evil evil ev... oh, I'm sorry I thought my daughter was alone."
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 04:56 |
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I dunno if "evil" is the right word. She's not evil, but... I dunno, maybe she's lost part of her humanity?
Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Sep 5, 2013 |
# ? Sep 5, 2013 05:57 |
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For that matter, I don't know if "humanity" is the right word
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 05:59 |
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno if "evil" is the right word. She's not evil, but... I dunno, maybe she's lost part of her humanity? She's more flame than "human" now. Corrupt and EVIL.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 06:05 |
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I wouldn't want to call her evil because she thinks she's doing the right thing Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Sep 5, 2013 |
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Steve Yun posted:I dunno if "evil" is the right word. She's not evil, but... I dunno, maybe she's lost part of her humanity? She seems to be taking an indirect route towards 'evil' in that she's taking a nominally positive trait, honesty, to an extreme that isn't sustainable. It's a fundamentally inhuman approach, which makes it dangerous and may also make it the only thing that will work for her. PB has done this several times lately, with clarity and rationality in Wizards Only and with the protection of the kingdom in Earth and Water. In the end, decisions like dealing with FP only as a threat, and not a child, have consequences. Flame Princess starts out as a kind of fiery tabula rasa, and it's neat to see her moving toward an independent moral compass rather than indulging Finn's relatively simplistic, and increasingly compromised, adventure-ethics.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 06:51 |
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Mage Ham posted:She seems to be taking an indirect route towards 'evil' in that she's taking a nominally positive trait, honesty, to an extreme that isn't sustainable. Ignoring the rest of your stuff, "inhuman" equaling "dangerous" is ridiculous because, besides not applying to anyone besides Finn in this show, a lot of the nastiest things people do are done because they're human. Take, for example, why Finn did that stuff to FP and the Ice King; that was a pretty human thing to do, and look where that led. Besides that, FP's doing this for a very "human" reason: She was hurt, repeatedly, by dishonest people. She's trying to avoid that, and she's doing so by making everyone always tell the truth. That's not inhuman, it's immature and naive. Which aren't particularly great either, really, but it's different from what you're trying to say. I agree that it's neat that FP's been developing, though, beyond "unstable girlfriend". I liked her from the start, but she's got a lot more character to her now.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 09:44 |
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Flippinlikebirds posted:Son of Mars is the best episode. I'm a little behind now but seconded to HELL. I can't imagine the kind of monster that dislikes that episode.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 12:01 |
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Steve Yun posted:I wouldn't want to call her evil because she thinks she's doing the right thing While I'd agree that evil's not the right term here, plenty of clearly evil people think they're doing the right thing. For all we know if you asked the Lich he'd say he's just trying to put the world to rest.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 13:21 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Son of mars always feels like a weird episode that drifted in over from some other series. None of it really makes sense. Looking it up it's written by a writer that wrote just that episode then left the show. It feels like someone that threw in a ton of big concepts without really backing it up. Doug TenNaple helped out a little on the story. Edit: I miss the "king of mars". thelaughingman fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Sep 5, 2013 |
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Vorgen posted:This is making me imagine a 3D alignment cube with a third axis of Nice Guy - rear end in a top hat. So you can be a Lawful Good rear end in a top hat or a Neutral Evil Nice Guy, someone who could truly follow in Churchill's footsteps by following his quote, "But after all when you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Steve Yun posted:I wouldn't want to call her evil because she thinks she's doing the right thing I propose a hypercube with a 4th axis of Ignorance - Self-Awareness.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 20:14 |
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Roland Jones posted:Ignoring the rest of your stuff, "inhuman" equaling "dangerous" is ridiculous because, besides not applying to anyone besides Finn in this show, a lot of the nastiest things people do are done because they're human. Take, for example, why Finn did that stuff to FP and the Ice King; that was a pretty human thing to do, and look where that led. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that it's a piecemeal sort of approach. A human/bananaman/candy person/fox/etc. matures within a culture, and absorbs standards of acceptable behavior holistically by observation and imitation; they get it all together. Since FP didn't have the benefit of anything like that, even as far as having contact with flame kingdom culture (she grew up in a literal bubble), she's experimenting, approximating what's good and acceptable one piece at a time. That's the way I picture something like a machine or AI trying to do that, which is why I say 'inhuman'. Of course, something like a machine or AI is usually characterized as childlike, so immature and/or naive works about as well.
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# ? Sep 5, 2013 20:37 |
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It's hard to pin down what her eyes mean other than "probably not in a healthy place"
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Interesting, then, that they only revert to their regular state during her interactions with Finn. Maybe the suggestion is being made that, regardless of how painful, it's healthy to confront the things that cause you distress. Or maybe they just thought she'd look too intimidating talking to Finn with evil eyes the whole time. Either way: fun.
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