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I preferred the manga version of this scene, mostly because all she had to do was smile really creepy and it was apparent that she was the female type titan. The anime version certainly doesn't ruin her character, but overall (throughout the episode) it felt like they were trying to make her more sympathetic than the manga did.
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The thing to remember is that anime and manga are completely different mediums, and something as subtle as Annie grinning in the manga might not translate well into animation. Personally, I think they did an okay job. The anime will always take liberties to make changes or even small filler arcs just because that's how development goes.
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Was the corruption in the MP (selling equipment on the black market) a filler sequence because I'm pretty sure it didn't happen in the manga...? Either way, I hope it was some foreshadowing to something when the anime diverges away from the manga. I love foreshadowing. As for blushing and laughing Annie... Wow, I was confused. I think that was the point.
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Eej posted:Oh no, it's about the ~*blushing*~ being a massive departure from her manga representation. I skimmed a couple of entries (that were very, very long) so I didn't get the real gist of it aside from "anime version ruins Annie" but there's the interpretation that the "blushing and laughing is a sign that she's broken down and not in control unlike the Annie in the manga who is cold and calculating" as well as "I haven't watched the anime but they ruined Annie by sexualizing her by making her blush and laugh" and okay I need to stop I don't see how the reactions are out of proportion when a large reason the story became so popular with a lot of people was that it's rare to find media that's relatively respectful of it's female characters (I really wouldn't call snk "progressive" in that regard but not-terrible is a step in the right direction) and this change reduced Annie's character to a pretty basic anime trope. It retroactively paints all her actions as "she did it because she was mentally unhinged" when part of what was fascinating about Annie was that she did all these cruel things while understanding perfectly well what she was doing yet still felt justified in doing so. Also don't loving tell me the director didn't realize what connotations this:  would have.It's alright if you think that scene was fine, I personally wouldn't say it ruined anything (just kind of shat on characterization a little) but it's kind of weird to be so dismissive of people who are upset that the media they assumed was safe from this crap just reinforces the notion that lovely portrayals of women are never going to go away, because as far as reasons for being upset go... that seems like a pretty good one to me? All I'm saying is that if Reiner and Bertolt's confession gets animated and they don't have weird skeevy blushes like out of some hentai I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
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Bisensual posted:Was the corruption in the MP (selling equipment on the black market) a filler sequence because I'm pretty sure it didn't happen in the manga...? Either way, I hope it was some foreshadowing to something when the anime diverges away from the manga. I love foreshadowing. That was definitely a filler sequence, and in return they cut out a bit of Annie's speech to Marlow from earlier. Annie's laugh was creepy as gently caress, in my opinion, and just as good as her smile in the manga. The blushing was a bit much, though.
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Annie blushing reminds me of the jokes that were made about anime Mikasa earlier in the thread.
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yellowyams posted:I don't see how the reactions are out of proportion when a large reason the story became so popular with a lot of people was that it's rare to find media that's relatively respectful of it's female characters (I really wouldn't call snk "progressive" in that regard but not-terrible is a step in the right direction) and this change reduced Annie's character to a pretty basic anime trope. It retroactively paints all her actions as "she did it because she was mentally unhinged" when part of what was fascinating about Annie was that she did all these cruel things while understanding perfectly well what she was doing yet still felt justified in doing so. Also don't loving tell me the director didn't realize what connotations this: I agree. Reading other forums, which are full of posts like "annie so sexy with that blush" and "she's such a hot yandere", it almost feels like that was the anime's goal, as opposed to in the manga where her smile is very Titan-like and unnerving. But I've had some issues with the direction of the anime for a while, so this all feels like just another thing on the list for me. Then there's the fanservicey/waifu-pandering end cards, and the magazine art with Mikasa and Christa, it definitely feels like the anime is selling on the girls as opposed to the manga where Isayama draws "sexy" joke pictures of Mikasa as a buff MMA fighter/idol. Sexy Bertholdt would be alright though.
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RubberLuffy posted:I agree. Reading other forums, which are full of posts like "annie so sexy with that blush" and "she's such a hot yandere", it almost feels like that was the anime's goal, as opposed to in the manga where her smile is very Titan-like and unnerving. But I've had some issues with the direction of the anime for a while, so this all feels like just another thing on the list for me.  But yeah, sexy Bert. 
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RubberLuffy posted:I agree. Reading other forums, which are full of posts like "annie so sexy with that blush" and "she's such a hot yandere", it almost feels like that was the anime's goal, as opposed to in the manga where her smile is very Titan-like and unnerving. But I've had some issues with the direction of the anime for a while, so this all feels like just another thing on the list for me. I was legitimately disturbed by Annie's smiling and blushing, it was a lot more unnerving than the predatory smile in the manga I honestly think anyone who thinks her "breakdown" is sexy or whatever is a fuckin weirdo, the animation distorts her features and exaggerates her mouth to look increasingly monstrous. The smiling and blushing just makes it weirder. FeedingHam2Cats fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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I'm guessing that the people calling Annie's smile "sexy" are the same kind of people who unironically wish Yuno from Future Diary was stalking them.
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Autumncomet posted:I agree with this, although I'm not quite sure what fanservicey end cards you're talking about, as I didn't even realize the anime had end cards other than that one of kid Mikasa and her scarf. Crunchyroll article about the end cards, which are mostly awesome, but then you get to the incredibly out of place last one. Since it's an older article it's missing the one of the main girls all in wedding dresses and a few others.
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Several people posted:I'm willing to blame this on animation quality. You can take an individual frame (or two or twenty) and have it seem like she's supposed to look sexy, but as a whole, that scene is rather disturbing.
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yellowyams posted:I don't see how the reactions are out of proportion when a large reason the story became so popular with a lot of people was that it's rare to find media that's relatively respectful of it's female characters (I really wouldn't call snk "progressive" in that regard but not-terrible is a step in the right direction) and this change reduced Annie's character to a pretty basic anime trope. It retroactively paints all her actions as "she did it because she was mentally unhinged" when part of what was fascinating about Annie was that she did all these cruel things while understanding perfectly well what she was doing yet still felt justified in doing so. Also don't loving tell me the director didn't realize what connotations this: Well Bert tries to laugh it off and Reiner blushes in embarrassment already so we just need to animate it. Also I don't think that this scene changes her character at all. It's also a really big stretch to say it's a lovely portrayal of women and retroactively makes the show Bad For Feminism. Part of it is manga vs anime. A single frame can convey the desired effect while animation can use audio as well as force you to linger on a scene to get the desired effect. 3 seconds of a grin before flipping the page versus 10 seconds of her laughing. Her uncharacteristic laughing itself is supposed to disturb the viewer because in media when people start laughing when they are cornered you know something terrible is about to happen. It's more powerful when it comes from a usually emotionally flat character (see also Mikasa hugging Eren in relief after he comes out of the titan, which came out more powerful in animated form as well). As for the blushing, I'm not going to speak for directorial intent. People blush when they get embarrassed, like when they are caught in a lie or if they are beaten somehow by a person they deem weaker than them. People blush when they laugh very hard, like when laughing at the absurdity of your situation. Or I guess you could blush because it's anime and the only time they bother to colour cheeks is because you are moe or in a hentai. Also stop taking that one still out of context. It's almost as dumb as those mid action Naruto stills that mock the quality of the animation.
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I don't really know why I decided to put this in the animé thread, since you guys are actually talking about it here, but I guess I'll post it here too: Apparently Annie laughing is based on a part of the scene that Isayama cut out from the draft of the manga, and later regretted doing so. Annie is supposed to be laughing from the relief of not having to lie any-more and is "turning back into a normal 16 year old girl". Normal being relative with someone like her.  I agree that it could have been handled better though. Pensive fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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The idea of Annie laughing during her breakdown isn't so bad but it just had very poor execution and didn't really get across her desperation or self-loathing or any of the actually interesting aspects of her character, it just made her look crazy. The entire scene hinges on her expression in that moment and the one they drew didn't convey any of the things it should've, maybe they'll fix it in blu-ray. The blush was what really hosed up the scene for me though, maybe if they'd toned it down I wouldn't care so much but as it was it just looked inappropriate and out of place. e: Pensive posted:I don't really know why I decided to put this in the aminé thread, since you guys are actually talking about it here, but I guess I'll post it here too: See, it really does rest entirely on the execution. If they'd been more faithful to the expressions here I think the scene would have gone over a lot better. Still want to know what the gently caress they were thinking with the over-the-top blush. yellowyams fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 15, 2013 |
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I think it's pretty safe to say any filler and changes are being made with Isayama in the loop, since they're going to be following an unfinished manga. I didn't mind the Annie laugh but the blushing felt out of place artistically.
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The blushing was a tiny bit weird, but it's a loving anime. The scene got the message across just fine: Annie is a loving psycho and has cracked under all the stress. I think the manga did do it better, but who cares? They have 2 more episodes to go over all of Annies problems.
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i300 posted:The blushing was a tiny bit weird, but it's a loving anime. The scene got the message across just fine: Annie is a loving psycho and has cracked under all the stress. Well maybe, but I think it's more along the lines of "i don't have to lie anymore and be cool and calculating so it's a big fuckin relief despite the fact that i'm screwed"
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i300 posted:I think the manga did do it better, but who cares? They have 2 more episodes to go over all of Annies problems. Has someone already made a Smooth Criminal joke? Because I think someone should ask Annie if she's okay.
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Also "tumblr overreacts to a thing" is the "dog bites man" of anything the internet likes, Titan included.
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yellowyams posted:The idea of Annie laughing during her breakdown isn't so bad but it just had very poor execution and didn't really get across her desperation or self-loathing or any of the actually interesting aspects of her character, it just made her look crazy. The entire scene hinges on her expression in that moment and the one they drew didn't convey any of the things it should've, maybe they'll fix it in blu-ray. Same, that was most of the issue for me. The manga laugh shown does get across that self-loathing and guilt but the anime just makes her look happy. It's even worse than that single frame in motion because of the coy arm-grab. It's mostly just disappointing  The anime does so well on many other things.This timing does leave me curious on where they'll leave off for another season, or even when another season could happen. They've caught up with a lot of the manga so far.
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Assuming a rough estimate of 33 chapters per season, they'll have enough material in a year. The real tough wait would be season 3 if Titan lasts 100 chapters, although they might just do OVAs or something. (Someone earlier in the thread gave the 100 chapter number based on similar mangas, I might be mis-remembering)
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Assuming it turns into some kind of gigantic warrior on warrior brawl with Mikasa, Levi and others swinging inbetween, the ending would best be suited as an OVA series so can secure budget for it. Also Annie is blushing while laughing in the draft too. 
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Elotana posted:Assuming a rough estimate of 33 chapters per season, they'll have enough material in a year. The real tough wait would be season 3 if Titan lasts 100 chapters, although they might just do OVAs or something. When FMA was like at the 50 chapter mark we knew who the villain was and how far down the rabbit hole things went for corruption within the military. It was basically defined that Father was as high as it went, and he needed to go down for things to be resolved. We have nothing close to that in AoT right now. If they manage to reach the basement, maybe --and this is a huge maybe-- we will have an idea of what needs to happen for the story to achieve a resolution. That could be 5-10 or more chapters from now, or it could be longer, or I could be wrong and that information will come from somewhere else. And then lord knows how many chapters it would take to actually resolve things.
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Bisensual posted:Has someone already made a Smooth Criminal joke? Because I think someone should ask Annie if she's okay. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXeAb0TgIM
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That was quick, beautiful, and hilarious. Thanks for sharing that.
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RubberLuffy posted:Crunchyroll article about the end cards, which are mostly awesome,  What is going on here? A mix of Armored and Colossal? RubberLuffy posted:but then you get to the incredibly out of place last one. Since it's an older article it's missing the one of the main girls all in wedding dresses and a few others.
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RubberLuffy posted:Crunchyroll article about the end cards, which are mostly awesome, but then you get to the incredibly out of place last one. Since it's an older article it's missing the one of the main girls all in wedding dresses and a few others.
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What I'm getting out of posts like yellowyams' or RubberLuffy's is less that there's any legitimacy in being upset about the directorial decisions "ruining" Annie, and more that we're supposed to unfairly hold the reactions of creepy weirdos against the director. I think the bigger problem is that there are people out there who see being mentally unhinged as "hot" or "sexual". That they can look at Annie as she stands there, as you can practically hear something inside her break, and go "Oh I'd totes bang that chick". I don't think that's any problem of the director, author, artists, or anyone involved in the televising of SnK.
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Haman posted:What I'm getting out of posts like yellowyams' or RubberLuffy's is less that there's any legitimacy in being upset about the directorial decisions "ruining" Annie, and more that we're supposed to unfairly hold the reactions of creepy weirdos against the director. I think the bigger problem is that there are people out there who see being mentally unhinged as "hot" or "sexual". That they can look at Annie as she stands there, as you can practically hear something inside her break, and go "Oh I'd totes bang that chick". I don't think that's any problem of the director, author, artists, or anyone involved in the televising of SnK. I think the backup argument is that by including elements that might end up appealing in yandere-lovers, the creators are presumptively pandering to that audience. Which is still rather silly, if it requires that creators must excise anything that certain people might like just to avoid having them enjoy it, permanently placing a large number of plot elements out of bounds based on a strange sort of puritanism. Creepers gonna creep regardless, so writers may as well write without worrying about it.
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Haman posted:What I'm getting out of posts like yellowyams' or RubberLuffy's is less that there's any legitimacy in being upset about the directorial decisions "ruining" Annie, and more that we're supposed to unfairly hold the reactions of creepy weirdos against the director. I think the bigger problem is that there are people out there who see being mentally unhinged as "hot" or "sexual". That they can look at Annie as she stands there, as you can practically hear something inside her break, and go "Oh I'd totes bang that chick". I don't think that's any problem of the director, author, artists, or anyone involved in the televising of SnK. I'm trying to say the execution was poo poo actually. I don't think the weird yandere fetishists are reaching too far to get off on this scene because that's pretty much exactly how it came across and that's why people are kinda mad. If they weren't specifically trying to pander to that type then they sure did a bad job. The whole scene could have been fixed if they just adjusted her expression a little, toned down the blush and maybe made the laughs more sad and bitter instead of high-pitched and crazy. I know I said earlier that Isayama's draft was fine but honestly I think it was better to just cut it, he wanted a character to show too many different emotions in one scene with minimal dialogue and it just wound up a mess. Anyway, in an effort to steer this away from anime discussion, I'm surprised no one posted these Isayama illustrations when they were floating around (or at least I didn't see it):      
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onepixeljumpman posted:Now now, everyone loves Christa. Is it just me, or do some of these look like they would make sweet avatars? (Especially if you use GIS to get a higher-res image to start from.) Hopefully it's not just me...!
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RubberLuffy posted:Crunchyroll article about the end cards, which are mostly awesome, but then you get to the incredibly out of place last one. Since it's an older article it's missing the one of the main girls all in wedding dresses and a few others.  http://i.imgur.com/qKYZdr1.jpgGood lord Mikasa's spine is doing the loop de loop!
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yellowyams posted:Anyway, in an effort to steer this away from anime discussion, I'm surprised no one posted these Isayama illustrations when they were floating around (or at least I didn't see it): Also this \/ Schubalts posted:I would read the hell out of Titans Babies.
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Yeah, this is probably one of the most egregious examples of the "Girl is twisting such that you can see her boobs and rear end at the same time" pose, AKA the Hawkeye Initiative pose, I've ever seen. Also, I love that Connie's playing the tambourine. It's so fitting. 
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Eren and Jean comedy duo, the Sasha, Reiner, Connie band, and of course Mikasa as an idol. They could have a real talent show going with a few more acts. And goodness that Mikasa end card is terrible.
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Autumncomet posted:And goodness that Mikasa end card is terrible. That's also the artist who is doing the art for the bluray visual novels for volumes 3 and 6. An artist who is pretty much only known for drawing AoT rear end porn. Yeah.
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