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WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Cheers for this, the new behaviour is a UX poo.

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xamphear
Apr 9, 2002

SILK FOR CALDÉ!
I downgraded from Nightly to mainline just to get away from the terrible changes they made to clicktoplay. I was hoping they would come to their senses before the changes made it into the release branch. Oh well, seems like that extension does a good job changing the behavior back to something sensible.

xamphear fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Sep 21, 2013

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

xamphear posted:

I downgraded from Nightly to mainline just to get away from the terrible changes they made to clicktoplay. I was hoping they would come to their senses before the changes made it into the release branch. Oh well, seems like that extension does a good job changing the behavior back to something sensible.

What exactly has changed, I don't use click-to-play.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Clicking on a plugin instance displays a Allow for Now / Allow Forever doorhanger a thousand pixels away from where you clicked instead of just activating the plugin.
Activating a single plugin instance activates every instance on the page.
Activations last for an hour, survive reloads, and affect other pages and tabs on the same site.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

pseudorandom name posted:

Clicking on a plugin instance displays a Allow for Now / Allow Forever doorhanger a thousand pixels away from where you clicked instead of just activating the plugin.
Activating a single plugin instance activates every instance on the page.
Activations last for an hour, survive reloads, and affect other pages and tabs on the same site.

Turn off plugin click-to-play & use flashblock. I've never found the built in version useable, not even for a second.

Though it's worse for me as I use the pentadactyl extension, which hides the addressbar - so I get the aforementioned popup on every pageload with click-to-play enabled, and have done since about FF22.

fourwood
Sep 9, 2001

Damn I'll bring them to their knees.

Yeah, thanks for this. Much nicer.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

wooger posted:

Turn off plugin click-to-play & use flashblock. I've never found the built in version useable, not even for a second.

Though it's worse for me as I use the pentadactyl extension, which hides the addressbar - so I get the aforementioned popup on every pageload with click-to-play enabled, and have done since about FF22.

The extension won't work with sites like Vimeo and Soundcloud that use hidden/1px*1px Flash files or other Javascript trickery. You have to write a userscript/userstyle for every single site like this or keep toggling it on and off. Click-to-Play Per Element looks like the only other way to make it work, but it's still experimental. I'll stick with Chrome for the time being.

I really hate how every single browser vendor has decided that they absolutely must be as minimalist as possible, and they have to throw away perfectly fine features to do this.

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK
I'm having a problem where embedded youtube videos won't display on most sites in Firefox 24, it seems for videos that are in iframes all I see is a black box. (I don't know if it uses the same method, but it completely breaks the usefulness of Youtube Link Title for me.) From what I'm able to find it's some sort of "mixed content blocking", but flipping security.mixed_content.block_active_content to false and security.mixed_content.block_display_content to true don't seem to make it work, and only breaks those videos that aren't in iframes as well. (I've flipped them both back.)

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.

m2pt5 posted:

I'm having a problem where embedded youtube videos won't display on most sites in Firefox 24, it seems for videos that are in iframes all I see is a black box. (I don't know if it uses the same method, but it completely breaks the usefulness of Youtube Link Title for me.) From what I'm able to find it's some sort of "mixed content blocking", but flipping security.mixed_content.block_active_content to false and security.mixed_content.block_display_content to true don't seem to make it work, and only breaks those videos that aren't in iframes as well. (I've flipped them both back.)

Did you follow the instructions in the OP?

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK
This is a new problem just since updating to 24. I have not added or removed any extensions, and it was working fine in 23. These videos are "not loading" to the point that Flashblock doesn't even acknowledge them as flash.

Edit: Never mind, I finally worked out that it's the Youtube Center userscript getting injected into the iframes because they're youtube iframes. I'll take it to that guy.
Edit2: And I fixed it even without getting a reply; just had to add youtube's embed url string to the exclude.

m2pt5 fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Sep 22, 2013

massless
Feb 25, 2012

pseudorandom name posted:

Yeah, somewhere along the path towards making it usable for people who don't understand computers they completely lost sight of what it was supposed to do in the first place.

Then you'll just love the user study they based this decision on!

Although, I have to say that the behavior with the new per-element extension is actually nicer; I don't get the annoying doorhanger prompting me to activate hidden plugins every time I go to Google Translate after a relaunch anymore.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

dpbjinc posted:

The extension won't work with sites like Vimeo and Soundcloud that use hidden/1px*1px Flash files or other Javascript trickery. You have to write a userscript/userstyle for every single site like this or keep toggling it on and off. Click-to-Play Per Element looks like the only other way to make it work, but it's still experimental. I'll stick with Chrome for the time being.

I really hate how every single browser vendor has decided that they absolutely must be as minimalist as possible, and they have to throw away perfectly fine features to do this.

Nah, you just need to whitelist the sites.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007


Yeah, this is largely what I assumed. Users don't understand why its done in the first place, can't figure out how to make it permanent, can't deal with hidden Flash objects that are controlled via JavaScript and are confused by multi-instance Flash plugins.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
So something weird is going on with Aurora: it's not using external file handlers properly. At all. Right-click, save-as works, though there's no record of those files in the downloads list, but telling it to use an external app results in nothing. I can't make it open PDFs by itself or in Adobe, I can't get it to open ZIPs in 7zip, nothing.

This has been going on for several days, and at first I thought it was some poorly documented, 'helpful' behavior based on my copy of Acrobat going end-of-life... but no. I just popped into safe mode, and everything that should be being sent out to helper apps is being unceremoniously dumped in temp. It's apparently not a Windows problem, because I get the expected behavior from IE.

Edit: Looks like deleting mimeTypes.rdf fixed it. Well, renaming it. I want to see what makes the old one 50k compared to the new one's 4k.

Bieeanshee fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Sep 24, 2013

The Merkinman
Apr 22, 2007

I sell only quality merkins. What is a merkin you ask? Why, it's a wig for your genitals!
Is there an extension that will block a specific JavaScript file and only that file? NoScript blocks everything under the sun, and YesScript blocks an entire server.

nimper
Jun 19, 2003

livin' in a hopium den

The Merkinman posted:

Is there an extension that will block a specific JavaScript file and only that file? NoScript blocks everything under the sun, and YesScript blocks an entire server.

Adblock Plus can do this, but I'm not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

nimper posted:

Adblock Plus can do this, but I'm not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for.

Yeah, go into the custom filter text box and put in "specific_javascript_file.js".

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.
I don't know if this is a Firefox thing or maybe it's a Flash thing, but for about a day now I've notice that all Youtube videos will now always start muted by default, does anyone know how to fix this?

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy
Seems to be a bug as it just started happening to me. Are you on the latest beta?

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.
Nope, FF24.0 and up-to-date flash (non beta stuff).

Heran Bago
Aug 18, 2006



How can I make typing in the address bar and pressing enter do a google I'm Feeling Lucky search?

I used to go into about :config and change keyword.URL but that's not there anymore. I can't find an option to change the new/default behavior of search results.


If I am on a youtube page and enter something in the address bar it searches youtube for what I typed in. This is awful, I would at least like it to google search it, but ideally I'd like a Google I'm Feeling Lucky search.

e: Okay I found something. This did it for me, this now a feature that you have to install an extension for in Firefox. I guess it was an under-the-hood feature in the first place so I'm glad it's still possible at all.
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=2736275

Heran Bago fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Oct 7, 2013

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



Im_Special posted:

Nope, FF24.0 and up-to-date flash (non beta stuff).

This seems like a Flash thing...it's starting to happen to me on Chrome.

Maybe Google is doing something?

Im_Special
Jan 2, 2011

Look At This!!! WOW!
It's F*cking Nothing.
It seems it's a Google issue and not us, it's on their end and will fix it eventually.
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/ETfCgHO4MhU[1-25-true]

Rahu X
Oct 4, 2013

"Now I see, lak human beings, dis like da sound of rabbing glass, probably the sound wave of the whistle...rich agh human beings, blows from echos probably irritating the ears of the Namek People, yet none can endure the pain"
-Malaysian King Kai
http://www.getaustralis.com/

You guys ready for Australis?

I've tried out the UX builds for about a week or so, and while it's not as bad as I was expecting, I still prefer the current UI over it. Australis just seems more limited in what you can do with it.

Of course, it's still pretty much pre-alpha at this point, so it could always change. I remember the days when people use to be enraged over Firefox 4.0's UI changes.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
I'm going to keep my annoyance in reserve until I figure out what bits of the old UI I want can or can't be bodged back in.

pipes!
Jul 10, 2001
Nap Ghost

Bieeardo posted:

I'm going to keep my annoyance in reserve until I figure out what bits of the old UI I want can or can't be bodged back in.

I'm actually looking forward to it. There's a lot of little details that I like, but, if anything, I can't wait for stuff like History and Bookmarks to finally be integrated into the main window.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

My biggest concern was the unibar like every other broweser I saw in most of the early shots of it. Feel much better already just looking at the current one with a separate search box.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
Oh cool, another thing that will probably gently caress up my tab extensions.

Thauros posted:

My biggest concern was the unibar like every other broweser I saw in most of the early shots of it. Feel much better already just looking at the current one with a separate search box.

Joke's on you, the Awesome Bar is already the unibar!

Seriously, change what engine the search bar uses, type a search into the address bar, and marvel as it searches whatever's selected in the search bar.

Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Oct 8, 2013

pipes!
Jul 10, 2001
Nap Ghost

fivre posted:

Seriously, change what engine the search bar uses, type a search into the address bar, and marvel as it searches whatever's selected in the search bar.

420 smoke Keyword searches 'erryday.

m2pt5
May 18, 2005

THAT GOD DAMN MOSQUITO JUST KEEPS COMING BACK

pipes! posted:

420 smoke Keyword searches 'erryday.

Seconding this, I use keyword searches and keyword bookmarks all the time, and I hardly ever use the regular search bar any more. I only leave it up for a handy place to temporarily store a small amount of text.

Quick example on keyword searches - I have a bookmark that links to this:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&username=%s

with the keyword goon, so I can just type 'goon <name>' in the address bar to go to <name>'s profile.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

fivre posted:

Oh cool, another thing that will probably gently caress up my tab extensions.


Joke's on you, the Awesome Bar is already the unibar!

Seriously, change what engine the search bar uses, type a search into the address bar, and marvel as it searches whatever's selected in the search bar.

Yeah, I know. This is why I'm perplexed why every other browser seems intent on eliminating the search bar, because the address bar already has full search functionality. It's still nice IMO to have a supplementary search bar sharing the same piece of UI, even though I'm well aware I'm in a shrinking minority that feels that way.

B-Nasty
May 25, 2005

fivre posted:

Seriously, change what engine the search bar uses, type a search into the address bar, and marvel as it searches whatever's selected in the search bar.

But it doesn't (as far as I can tell) do the auto-complete on searches. With Google having my entire life on file, I find the auto-complete does an excellent job of figuring out what I want. Though I've given up any sense of privacy, it sure is nice.

Fangs404
Dec 20, 2004

I time bomb.
Since we're talking about address/search bar poo poo, I figured I'd give props to InstantFox. It's like Omnibar, but it's completely customizable. "y ufc" searches youtube for ufc. I added one for imdb - "i lost" searches imdb for lost. It's really great. I used to really like the separate awesome bar and search bars, but this extension has changed my opinion.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Thauros posted:

Yeah, I know. This is why I'm perplexed why every other browser seems intent on eliminating the search bar, because the address bar already has full search functionality. It's still nice IMO to have a supplementary search bar sharing the same piece of UI, even though I'm well aware I'm in a shrinking minority that feels that way.

Well, for Chrome at least, the Google search results page = ad revenue.

I'm not sure why Firefox decided that the behavior for a non-URI in the address bar should be "search whatever's currently selected in the search bar"--it doesn't make much UI sense, but it's not exactly clear what the previous behavior was either. Something like "see if DNS returns anything, and if no, Google search because why not."

The Chrome bar is actually much clearer, in that it actually says "hey, this isn't a hostname/URI, so we're going to search Google", whereas the current Firefox behavior leads to "why the gently caress am I on Amazon?"

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

fivre posted:

I'm not sure why Firefox decided that the behavior for a non-URI in the address bar should be "search whatever's currently selected in the search bar"--it doesn't make much UI sense, but it's not exactly clear what the previous behavior was either. Something like "see if DNS returns anything, and if no, Google search because why not."

This is (basically) what Firefox does. If DNS doesn't return anything, it'll search using the currently-selected search. Firefox picks the currently-selected search instead of the default search engine because third parties kept changing users' default engine. So if you want someone to blame, blame the people at lovely companies like Oracle whose installers include crapware like the Ask toolbar.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Avenging Dentist posted:

This is (basically) what Firefox does. If DNS doesn't return anything, it'll search using the currently-selected search.
I cannot simply Google firefox.exe using the awesome bar; I end up with "www.firefox.exe" in the bar and a server not found page.

Maybe DNS gives different results for "doesn't qualify as URI" and "does syntactically qualify as URI, but server not found" OR Firefox is parsing poo poo on its own first before it tries DNS. I suspect the latter is the case, otherwise where does the "www." come from but a desparate attempt on Firefox' hand to try to correct for my shortcomings in typing what it assumes is an URI.

Anyway, that's some dumb poo poo and one of the reasons I'm sticking with a separate search bar so far.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Flipperwaldt posted:

I cannot simply Google firefox.exe using the awesome bar; I end up with "www.firefox.exe" in the bar and a server not found page.

That's because "firefox.exe" looks like you're providing a URL with the TLD "exe". Firefox avoids sending that to a search engine for privacy reasons, so that Google won't learn that you typed "reallygrossporn.corn" into the address bar.

If you want to search from the address bar, you can always use keyword searches ("g firefox.exe", assuming you set "g" to be the keyword for Google), which I prefer since they're more explicit.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Avenging Dentist posted:

This is (basically) what Firefox does. If DNS doesn't return anything, it'll search using the currently-selected search. Firefox picks the currently-selected search instead of the default search engine because third parties kept changing users' default engine.

The old behavior (I need to update my laptop from FF21 sometime) was to search via Google regardless of what was currently selected. I'm not sure if this was something they negotiated for funding a la the start page or what.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

fivre posted:

The old behavior (I need to update my laptop from FF21 sometime) was to search via Google regardless of what was currently selected. I'm not sure if this was something they negotiated for funding a la the start page or what.

As I mentioned above, "Firefox picks the currently-selected search instead of the default search engine because third parties kept changing users' default engine." It was causing a lot of confusion for people.

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Modus Trollens
Sep 12, 2010

Rahu X posted:

http://www.getaustralis.com/

You guys ready for Australis?

I've tried out the UX builds for about a week or so, and while it's not as bad as I was expecting, I still prefer the current UI over it. Australis just seems more limited in what you can do with it.

Of course, it's still pretty much pre-alpha at this point, so it could always change. I remember the days when people use to be enraged over Firefox 4.0's UI changes.

this looks awesome

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