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OhYo posted:What weapon did/will Danal be focusing on? Considering his Dad, Danal will probably be wielding Danal as a weapon.
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M x 4 - All bow, all the time.
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Sep 22, 2013 03:03
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OhYo posted:What weapon did/will Danal be focusing on? A Darker Porpoise posted:Considering his Dad, Danal will probably be wielding Danal as a weapon.
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Sep 22, 2013 03:09
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Uberwill posted:M x 4 - All bow, all the time. I agree with this.
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Sep 22, 2013 03:22
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Edit out old spread sheet.
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Sep 22, 2013 03:38
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Diogines posted:The English longbow does not exist. That's all I wanted to hear. Four votes for M, please. I look forward to us eventually becoming a human siege weapon with our mega bow capable of shooting arrows carved out of tree trunks
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Sep 22, 2013 03:47
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Stabby was so important, not a lot of movement in the rest of the Big Kid vote. Here is what it looks like: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zdemmlz8qf68z6/Big%20Kid%20Foci.pdf
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Sep 22, 2013 04:28
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1. How do you wear your beard? C. Long and bushy, but neat. 2. There are many things which interest you. Did you continue to devote a large portion of your time to following after Tudiyah, or did you spend less time with him, to do other things? B. I did not spend most of my time with Tudiyah, so vote on #3 instead. 3. I spent my time doing many things... I... 4:M. I spent my time doing other things. Fill in. If you have questions, just ask. Worship the Creator. Be that El, of the stories we've known and mostly believed; it's the closest-to in the world we know. Worship the Creator in quiet prayer, praising song and study at the Temple in fellowship with other worshipers. Worship El by living a life worthy of El. Help others, young to old, rich or poor in Mercy, Wisdom, Justice and Artistry among other Ophanim foci pleasing to El. 4. With Naomi's betrothal broken... B. I had feelings, but I kept them to myself 5. You look over the weapons and you pick... Diogines posted:He spent some time playing with staffs, alongside you at the Temple of the Melachim, but he has not started to train with any weapons yet. M. He did not show you a bow, but he has a friend who could train you. You pick a bow. Agamemnon told you that training to use a bow takes a great deal of practice.
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Sep 22, 2013 04:30
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Edit out old sheet.
Sogol fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Sep 22, 2013 04:39
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C x 4 Medium spear. Long enough to keep a man-sized monster back, short enough to throw at a monster we can't face head-on. Plus, if we decided to go stabby to earn some respect in this culture, we'd best do it with a weapon they respect. I get the feeling that these guys, being all testosterone and machismo, don't think too highly of ranged combat. Oi, Dio, how do these weapons fare as far as the proud warriors of Zepath are concerned? Is a man who knows only the bow considered cowardly compared to one who knows only the spear, for example? Does the Medium Spear have more favor due to Labras, even though the long spear wins more wars?
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Sep 22, 2013 04:43
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 SogolTrying to make your life easier. Here is the sheet updated to UppaTree for weapon vote via google doc:  And here is the default templet Canuck gave us so long ago that made it happen:
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Sep 22, 2013 04:50
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D.4 Let's learn the sword.
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Sep 22, 2013 04:52
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HiHo ChiRho posted:
Thank you. Can't do much with the templates on an ipad so thanks for grabbing it.
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Sep 22, 2013 04:59
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Lord Tywin posted:4 points in C , we need a weapon that is versatile so we can both go on adventures of our own and fight in battles and the medium spear looks like the most versatile weapon of them all. This. We already know how to use a spear somewhat which will help us catch up, and with our eyesight we might be able to make some awesome shots if we get strong enough. 1. How do you wear your beard? A. I don't! I cut it off. After thebig fish bullshit any thought of long hair is weird. 2: F. I want to learn how to fight! 4. With Naomi's betrothal broken... B. I had feelings, but I kept them to myself. If she still has feeling for us she will know because that's how it works in the stories Outrail fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Sep 22, 2013 05:01
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gently caress double post
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Sep 22, 2013 05:12
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M x 4
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Sep 22, 2013 05:13
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Two spread sheets active: Votes 1-4 (Beard, Tudiya, Activity Focus, Naomi) Vote 5 (Weapon Focus)
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Sep 22, 2013 05:31
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Can we try the bow first? I'm sure Aga has one lying around right now we can test.Diogines posted:You lift each weapon and feel it's weight for a moment. You take a few practice stabs and a few practice swings. I assume the "maul" here is the axe? Is it a great axe? One handed axe? Will we have a shield to go with it if it's a one handed? Will training in the bow and arrow also teach us all the various maintenance skills required for being an archer? String care, arrow fletching, protecting the bow from the weather, etc etc What does Aga think of using a bow if we want to be explorers? Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Sep 22, 2013 06:09
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Yeah you know what? Sure, Mx4, changed from Cx4. I'd still prefer the medium spear, but I think the benefits of specialization outweigh this. Besides, I'm going to assume that with our size most average folk won't pick fights with us and we can be all diplomat like to those bigger than us.
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Sep 22, 2013 06:25
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Can we try the bow first? I'm sure Aga has one lying around right now we can test. The way that reads to me is both of the big crushing weapons, club and big gently caress off hammer, are appealing to us. The axe falls under the category of weapons that aren't worth mentioning.
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Sep 22, 2013 06:32
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Is it assumed that we will learn shields at the same time we learn melee weapons because they pretty much always go together in this time period? Bowx3 Staffx1
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Sep 22, 2013 07:49
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Oh yeah right. I thought the maul was a typo. So the javelins, club, maul and sword appeal to us. We haven't tried the bow yet. Long spear is awkward, slings are awkward.
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Sep 22, 2013 07:52
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This is not the High loving Middle Ages. Diogenes, are there professional fletchers who make arrows, and are they common enough to be found in outlying towns and villages? Does bow training include construction and maintenance, and are bowmakers as common as fletchers? We already know how to use a staff thanks to our previous experience with it. We just need to know how to parry and occasionally whack someone's head while Danal carves them up. Our eagle eyes suggest using a ranged weapon suitable to the time and place we exist in. Medium spear: 1 point Sling: 3 points
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Sep 22, 2013 08:41
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Sep 22, 2013 08:46
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I'm going to Change my weapon vote from: 3xC, 1xJ to: 4xC it looks like we'll be getting training in the bow, so I might as well avoid a wasted vote.
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Sep 22, 2013 08:57
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Bear in mind that we only have a finite amount of downtime to train in, and some weapomns are easier to learn than others. Bows are nice, but we'll probavly get less proficiency out've bow training than spear training. Here's how I see things.. The club is easiest to learn, and hits hard, but has no reach, and does not forgive misses. The axe is a little more forgiving, but probably harder to master than the club. The maul is a big gently caress-off hammer. You get one swing, then *somebody* dies. Harder to learn than the club, maybe un par with an axe? Spears are going to have less reach, but faster recovery and an easier learning curve, the shorter (and closer to fishing spears) they get. I think the medium spear is the best trade-off, since we can throw it and presumably use a shield with it without sacrificing too much reach. Swords have a nice balance of fast recovery and good damage, but they sacrifice reach and are probably the hardest melee weapon to learn. Also we can't afford one. Greatswords probably sacrifice a lot of that recovery time for massive damage, but not as much as mauls do. We probably won't see one EVER unless Barkof's holding it. Slings require a lot of time and effort to get good with, but drat if we don't have the eyes for it. Bows are like slings, but even moreso. What I'm sayin' is, if we get any good at ranged combat, it'll be mostly due to our eyesight and sheer stubborn dedication. Currently, we know fishing spears and the basic principles of swinging things at other things. If we build on those, we'll be better off than if we pick up a weapon we've never seen before.
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Sep 22, 2013 09:01
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Dio, how easy will it be to get arrowheads? I assume metal is pretty rare? Do people still/yet make stone arrowheads? Do we have to learn fletching as a separate skill? Straightening/drying arrow shafts? Fixing our damp warped bow? New strings? It also makes us pretty vulnerable at melee range, at least with the sling we can whack somebody in the face with it and it's basically a rock in a bag, not much different to a flail. Whack somebody over the head with a bow, and with our strength we're liable to break it in half. Meaning more expense getting a new one! And those little green tunics don't come cheap either. Basically, bows are going to bankrupt us, with a sword it's a one time/rare expense, with a bow it's constant. I also changed from short to medium spear and updated the sheet to reflect this. Nettle Soup fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Sep 22, 2013 11:00
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Can we try the bow first? I'm sure Aga has one lying around right now we can test. Lanky Coconut Tree posted:I assume the "maul" here is the axe? Is it a great axe? One handed axe? Will we have a shield to go with it if it's a one handed? The maul is a big stick with something heavy, hard and blunt at the other end. Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Will training in the bow and arrow also teach us all the various maintenance skills required for being an archer? String care, arrow fletching, protecting the bow from the weather, etc etc Lanky Coconut Tree posted:What does Aga think of using a bow if we want to be explorers? "We'll teach you the shield for the weapons that fit it, of course" he adds. Imperialist Dog posted:This is not the High loving Middle Ages. Diogenes, are there professional fletchers who make arrows, and are they common enough to be found in outlying towns and villages? You are in the most of outlying cities right now, as best you know. Arrowheads are generally made of stone. You have seen some copper, bronze and even iron arrowheads in the hands of Bareen's seasoned monster hunters, but they are more of a specialty good and more expensive, commissioned from smiths as needed. UppaTree posted:C x 4 The bow is not a "cowards" weapon but few people use one. It is indeed seen as less manly. They take a lot of time to learn and everyone wants to emulate the heroes of the Old Tales, who mostly used melee weapons, though a few ranged weapons sneak in at the corners. Bareen's veteran adventurers mostly seem to favor melee weapons as well, though they have more bows than you would expect for their numbers.
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Sep 22, 2013 12:02
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gently caress all that noise about spears and bows. All my votes go for the axe
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Sep 22, 2013 12:18
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4xM. The bow will probably compliment us the most. The sling is -decent-, but we are lucky enough to be close to the king. Even as a slave, that affords us the chance to gain access to one and the arrows until we can make our own.
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Sep 22, 2013 13:16
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I wonder how realistic this adventure will become. I don't think we have been too specific with keeping the physics and other elements ultra strict. A thing to consider, Native Americans were using bows for quite some time without fancy metalwork or high quality arrows. I agree that the min/max-er inside woud feel crappy choosing the bow knowing we had a chance to get a magical one earlier in the story, especially since we have not done much of value with our flute choice.
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Sep 22, 2013 13:25
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Becoming a skilled fletcher is a career all on its own. Literally, "fletcher" is a regular full time job. We can learn it, but doing so will mean missing out on something more interesting than a petty crafting skill. We already don't have time to learn all the things we'd like, why throw another half-assed skill on the pile of poo poo we never learned? Becoming a fletcher is an even worse waste of time than becoming a musician. Learning a ranged weapon may be smart. It makes use of our unusually good eyesight, one of the few things about us that seems notably above average. We are a simple man, a simple weapon like a sling is a much better fit than a fiddly bow.
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Sep 22, 2013 13:34
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We figured the sling out quickly; Diogenes said we found it satisfying, just as we found the sword. Clearly the best combo... What's the point of asking which weapons we liked, if we ignore the information?
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Sep 22, 2013 13:41
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Well I voted to take the bow as well  ShotgunWillie posted:We figured the sling out quickly; Diogenes said we found it satisfying, just as we found the sword. Clearly the best combo... We didn't really figure out the sling that fast... Anyway. Ask Aga, "You've judged our strengths and capabilities. What do you think is the best weapon and style for us to fight alone, or with minimal support. If we wish to go exploring, how many others should be with us? When war comes, do the men fight in formation? Is there a phalanx or equivalent complex military maneuver? Given the same amount of time spent training on each weapon, will I reach the same skill level on all weapons? Which are the most complex and will require the most time invested? Where could I get a sword? How much are they? Would Ishamal give me one?" These javelins, are they the same as pilum? Ask ourselves "Where would we get a sword of our own from? Would Danal / Ishamal or anyone help us out here?" See, I'm thinking that we shouldn't try and go for something completely new. The bow and sling are utterly foreign to us. We have never used them before, we're fumbling and are really bad. We have training in javelins from our spear fishing days. While we're rusty, the muscle memory will still be there. We're tall and strong, and best friends with a really impetuous guy. We should be able to defend ourselves in person. And as a savage, picking a less manly weapon might be a hit to our local rep. My votes are 3 points in the maul / sword and 1 point in the javelins. Maul or sword depends on Aga's replies. Javellins will give us a ranged option, and we are not starting from 0 here, so 1 point in it should give us a boost to acceptable skill. Maul or sword for close work. Ideally I'd like the sword / javelin so we can pioneer Roman war styles. Chuck a couple of pilum into a guy, then charge in and finish him with the sword. And we get a shield for protection as well with the sword. Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Sep 22, 2013 |
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Sep 22, 2013 13:43
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It took us like four tries to figure it out and we found it "satisfying". That is extremely quick with any kind of ranged weapon, short of pull the trigger and boom. Look how poorly we did with the bow? Tried it a few times and never even managed to let an arrow fly. I think that the subtext is that the sling is the ranged weapon our character would find the easiest, and I bet Diogenes would confirm that if (s)he answers your questions as asked.
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Sep 22, 2013 13:52
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quote:You try to load a sling and fail to do so correctly. You try to wind up and take a shot at the wall with it. You repeatedly mess it up and fail to correctly keep the stone in the sling as you twirl it. When you get almost half way to throwing the stone successfully, you let go prematurely and Agamemnon needs to duck to avoid being hit. After another try, you manage to hit the outer wall of his home with a stone which makes a highly satisfying "thud". Look at this again. It's the typical progression of a person who is completely unfamiliar with an instrument and has just picked it up for the first time. Once we actually launched it, it hit with a "satisfying thud" which speaks more to our personal strength than anything else. It is the ranged weapon that our character would find the easiest to learn from scratch, if the ranged weapons are just bow and sling. Javelins are ranged as well though, and we have experience in it from spear fishing. They felt comfortable and familiar. Those are the weapons that our character would find the easiest to train in.
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Sep 22, 2013 14:05
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4 x M Archery rules.
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Sep 22, 2013 14:41
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Changing my vote to 4xM since while I think the medium spear would be better we need to specialize to get good with a weapon.
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Sep 22, 2013 14:49
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4xM RANGGGGGGEEEEEEE Seriously we have good eyes. We need ranged weapons.
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You guys do realise that the vote is probably going to be split between bow and spear, so even your 4 Ms are only going to count for roughly 1/2 of our time? That's 1/2 of our time to learn shooting, arrow making (fletching, straightening the arrows, hardening the points and/or buying them in), stringing it properly without breaking it, general maintenance and convincing Tudiya to fund us, as we are a slave and own nothing... Seems an arrow probably costs about 50p, so even at a conservative estimate, 10 arrows is equivalent to a solid meal for most people. The sling, we don't need to spend a huge amount on ammo, maintenance is a lot easier as it's leather and string, we don't have to worry every time it so much as drizzles that our baby is going to get wet and warp or degrade, and we can spin it up and use it as a flail if needs be. We managed to cut ourselves on it. It's wood and string. God help us if we ever take up guitar.
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