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Welcome back, guys! I liked the way Broken Nose Jiang jumped in to nominates Two Chins. She knew that if Big Smile Lee tried to get the spot and was denied that relations would be a lot worse between the group.
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That might have been too leading a question. It felt like "Yeah, I know you probably killed him, what do you have to say about that?" If I were Wei my report would not have been "I turned him into hamburger" or "I don't know where he is" but "The last I saw of him, I was chasing him on a boat and he got away. I think he's too scared to show his face in Hong Kong." Close enough to the truth to be verified by any other witnesses to the chase, good enough for rear end-covering, at least.
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Sep 25, 2013 04:54
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Seems like Jackie's superiors want to break his ties more than they want to have useful informants. They seem worried he'll go native.
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Sep 25, 2013 05:24
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On the one hand, Wei's already a Red Pole who can afford to focus on cultivating ties to other Red Poles ("external" from the Water Street Boys) more than cultivating ties within said Water Street Boys (since he's had that poo poo locked down tight ever since the wedding)... on the other hand, Wei's already a Red Pole who if he turned would already have a belligerent armed faction ready-to-go.
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Sep 25, 2013 18:42
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Glad you guys are back and already back in form.
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Sep 25, 2013 19:48
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So I'm pretty sure the chicken on a stick guy just stole your credit card. You give it to him and he hands you the food but doesn't give it back. And then... holy poo poo! Jackie! You... you just saved Wei from getting a Protagonist Injury! You were USEFUL! Hey man, that's great! And here I was thinking Jackie was just some punk who's stupid enough to buy counterfeit watches. Good to see he's still earned our trust. Kinda wondering WHERE he got that pistol from but meh. The Gun Dimension keeps its secrets I suppose. And I kinda like that he's having a bit of a freakout about the whole thing, it's a nice touch. It's a nicer touch, I think, that despite it he still keeps his head on his shoulders when Wei prompts him that they need to leave. Rather than going catatonic on us he's clearly disturbed by what happened but he's not letting it control him. Also that line when we tell him he's getting his chance to be real Sun On Yee and he says it'll be our turn soon. Oh Jackie, your boyish naivete is charming. Also correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Pendrew the old dude who shot that corpse? I thought Raymond was a different person. And who's Roland?
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Sep 27, 2013 06:34
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Shoeless posted:So I'm pretty sure the chicken on a stick guy just stole your credit card. You give it to him and he hands you the food but doesn't give it back. And then... holy poo poo! Jackie! You... you just saved Wei from getting a Protagonist Injury! You were USEFUL! Hey man, that's great! And here I was thinking Jackie was just some punk who's stupid enough to buy counterfeit watches. Good to see he's still earned our trust. Kinda wondering WHERE he got that pistol from but meh. The Gun Dimension keeps its secrets I suppose. Yeah, Pendrew's the rear end in a top hat. Raymond's the wet blanket. And Roland is the guy who wants Wei to break legs for him so his loansharking business doesn't take a huge loss.
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Sep 27, 2013 06:46
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I don't recall if this was brought up before but there sure do seem to be a lot of western named guys in this Hong Kong gang. Ok, the English head of the operation makes sense, but to have the undercover informant be more traditionally named than the rest of the gang he's infiltrating seems odd. On the one hand you have: Winston Jackie Raymond Roland Dog Eyes I mean at least when you get to the red poles and other gangs you at least get some more Chinese names/nicknames Big Smile Lee Broken Nose Jiang Uncle Po Wei Shen Unless, of course, the Water Street Boys taking on Western first names as nicknames is kind of "a thing".
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Sep 27, 2013 18:13
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CzarChasm posted:I don't recall if this was brought up before but there sure do seem to be a lot of western named guys in this Hong Kong gang. Ok, the English head of the operation makes sense, but to have the undercover informant be more traditionally named than the rest of the gang he's infiltrating seems odd. I thought there was a tradition in Hong Kong of giving kids an English name along with their Chinese name. It's how you get Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Jet Li, among others.
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Sep 27, 2013 18:29
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I thought there was a tradition in Hong Kong of giving kids an English name along with their Chinese name. It's how you get Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Jet Li, among others. For countries like singapore or malayasia, it's common for people to have 'christian' or english names simply because it's easier for foreigners (like me!  ) to pronounce over their given name. I imagine it's a matter of convenience in hong kong too.
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Sep 27, 2013 18:35
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My favorite Western/Eastern name combination is "Two Chin", because of the fact that they took a Chinese last name and then added an English loan word that makes the whole name into a play on words, making fun of the guy's appearance. I just thought it was pretty clever. 
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Sep 27, 2013 19:09
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Two Chin's name isn't actually Chin. That may still have been the intention though.
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Sep 27, 2013 19:12
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Yeah, I though that Big Smile Lee was also just a pun name without necessarily any connection to his real name. Although Broken Nose Jiang seems a little lazy.
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Sep 27, 2013 19:15
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and broken Nose Jiang doesn't seem to have a broken nose. Although, I love Broken Nose Jiang. She seems to be the most Chinese to me - she actually pronounces Wei Shen with intonation and emphasises that Two Chin is << lei ge ciep toi yan>>. I was disappointed in the initation rites though - first, there could have been more drama and emphasis on betrayers dying a thousand deaths - prompting a deeper inner conflict within Wei Shen, which is kind of partially discussed with Raymond in the subsequent scene. Secondly, there is a movie depiction of gangster initiation rites - the brothers cuts themselves and bleed into a cup of water, which they then share amongst each other to symbolise that they are now blood brothers, with a bond thicker than water. I would presume a scene similar to that would have deepened the inner conflict within Wei Shen, knowing that he must betray his brothers some day. What are the 36 oaths? Why are your fellow initiates dressed so shabbily? Yeah, I feel that this is one of those places the lack of polish is realy apparent in the game. Also, high five to Delacroix, SG/MY goons represent
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Sep 29, 2013 09:56
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Flat Banana posted:and broken Nose Jiang doesn't seem to have a broken nose. Rossi and I were discussing this during the cutscene, and we decided that she probably earned the nickname by just breaking a bunch of noses on her way up the ladder.  It's how I like to interpret it, anyway. Flat Banana posted:What are the 36 oaths? Why are your fellow initiates dressed so shabbily? I assume they didn't show the 36 oaths because you really don't want the player to be going 'drat this cutscene is long as hell', whether or not that's a reasonable concern in this instance. As for why they're dressed so shabbily, a combination of not wanting to have the art team make extra clothing for Jackie and what's his face (  ) and the fact that it's equally as likely Wei Shen is showing up in boxer shorts and a pig mask.New episode soon!
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Sep 30, 2013 14:36
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Chocolate Donuts posted:I assume they didn't show the 36 oaths because you really don't want the player to be going 'drat this cutscene is long as hell', whether or not that's a reasonable concern in this instance.
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Sep 30, 2013 16:31
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Probably not very accurate but I found two different things, posting for anyone curious. One quoted, one linked. Any chance Wei Shen is immune to electricity? He can take swords and knives pretty well but I dunno about volts.quote:These are the commonly-accepted 36 oaths that a Triad member must promise to observe, if he wants to have a good and peaceful life as a member. It might help you in discerning what our white tiger might or might not do in a certain situation, given this code of conduct.
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Sep 30, 2013 16:35
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Wow...that is some serious oath poo poo right there, and it's close enough I guess to the game since they vaguely mention 36 Oaths so...drat. I think Wei can handle electricity, the pig mask's power is beyond our understanding 
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Sep 30, 2013 16:43
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Hirayuki posted:Maybe it's similar to how authors describing how to make very real and dangerous things (Vince Gilligan for Breaking Bad, Richard Preston for The Cobra Event, etc.) purposely leave out certain steps and details so the kids won't--can't--try it at home. Well it doesn't have to be all 36 oaths ("If bunking in a brother's flat, thou shalt not leave clothes lying around the apartment, nor invite guests unapproved of by hosting brother"), but a handful relevant to the overall narrative theme of loyalty/betrayal, and how much better Wei Shen is being in the triads compared to being a cog in the justice system. It's the family he never had and more, it gave him the opportunity to serve up revenge to Dogeyes, and all the cash, loyal retainers, cars, tits and drugs he could ever want. (well the girlfriend bits weren't tied in very strongly with triad activity but there will be more women coming up). It's to emphasise that outside of the triad, he's going to be alone and going nowhere: He's not going to ever move out of that dingy little apartment in North Point on a cop's salary. Could he have turned Pendrew in and stayed on as a red pole?
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Sep 30, 2013 16:48
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FinalGamer posted:Wow...that is some serious oath poo poo right there, and it's close enough I guess to the game since they vaguely mention 36 Oaths so...drat. Before you get too impressed by the 'Honorable' code of the Triads, remember that there is an unspoken 'Unless you think you can get away with it' after every single one of those oaths.
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Sep 30, 2013 17:07
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Crigit posted:Before you get too impressed by the 'Honorable' code of the Triads, remember that there is an unspoken 'Unless you think you can get away with it' after every single one of those oaths. Yeah, but I figure the smart ones also realize that below that, there's a 'Unless you're the guy in charge, you're not going to get away with it' so they might as well be bound to them by demonic rites as far as how strictly they follow them goes. But, yes, the whole 'honor among thieves/criminals' is more a matter of it not being worth pissing off a whole gang just to betray one or two people. Though that might just be human nature - for quite a few, the reason to follow the law is that being punished sucks. If you don't get caught, you don't get punished (well, if you look away from the 'punishment' of being on the run, anyway), and so there's no problem with breaking the law in secret - in other words, not every law-abiding citizen cares about ethics and morals.
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I always thought it a little odd that that particular cutscene was in English, I mean, I know the market for the game, but given the overall abundance of Chinese in the game I would have thought that a ceremony like this would have had a little more Chinese in it. Not a major complaint though.
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Oct 1, 2013 01:48
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Flat Banana posted:Also, high five to Delacroix, SG/MY goons represent I'm embarrassingly australian . I do however have friends in S'pore/MY so I have been exposed first-hand of coping with silly ang mo.Lunethex posted:Any chance Wei Shen is immune to electricity? He can take swords and knives pretty well but I dunno about volts. I think Wei Shen is quite accustomed to electricity in the line of duty even if he isn't on the receiving end. 
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Oct 1, 2013 02:37
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I am pretty sure those "5 thunderbolts" punishments don't refer to electric shock, guys. I think it means there will be 5 bulletholes in the body when the cops find it in a ditch somewhere.
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Oct 1, 2013 23:52
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Give Donuts crap, we're playing DnD right now instead of getting new videos up. And by playing I mean, "flailing wildly while I forget how to roll initiative" 
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Oct 4, 2013 05:53
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JossiRossi posted:Give Donuts crap, we're playing DnD right now instead of getting new videos up. It's very simple, 1d20+your init score (Most likely Dex unless you got feats or magic)
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Oct 4, 2013 06:01
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Senior Scarybagels posted:It's very simple, 1d20+your init score (Most likely Dex unless you got feats or magic) I was informed fortunately but thanks! It does show how long it's been. I prefer to play a rather obscure system called Unisystem personally. More story/character based. We are fighting a TeaRodactyl!
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Oct 4, 2013 06:07
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JossiRossi posted:I was informed fortunately but thanks! It does show how long it's been. I prefer to play a rather obscure system called Unisystem personally. More story/character based. Psh Unisystem, play a real game like GURPS or FATE/FUDGE or even Savage Worlds.
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Oct 4, 2013 06:16
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Axis and Allies is the only real role playing game. 
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Oct 4, 2013 08:33
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SlothfulCobra posted:Axis and Allies is the only real role playing game. Been a while since we did one of those, too.
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Oct 4, 2013 10:15
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Stop giving them ideas or we'll never see a new update.
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Oct 4, 2013 10:34
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Holy poo poo, someone else has heard of and plays Unisystem? 
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Oct 4, 2013 12:07
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jaydee864 posted:Holy poo poo, someone else has heard of and plays Unisystem? Unisystem was awesome right up to the point I discovered FATE, although I'm pretty sure you could stat up Wei Shen close to perfectly using Enter: the Zombie.
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Oct 4, 2013 12:42
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On a semi-related note, anybody know any pencil-and-paper/board games that approximate Sleeping Dogs?
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Oct 4, 2013 12:55
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Flat Banana posted:On a semi-related note, anybody know any pencil-and-paper/board games that approximate Sleeping Dogs? Other than that, I'm not up to speed on RPGs in modern settings.
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Oct 4, 2013 13:03
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Flat Banana posted:On a semi-related note, anybody know any pencil-and-paper/board games that approximate Sleeping Dogs? You got GURPS, Wushu, D20 Modern all could do it.
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Oct 4, 2013 16:14
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JossiRossi posted:Give Donuts crap, we're playing DnD right now instead of getting new videos up.  just kidding, hope you had some good nerding Good to have ya'll back, btw. The story seems to build up towards a sort of climax right now, so I'm wondering how much game there is actually left? Oh yeah, almost forgot. I also have a late "Welcome back" present for you guys! It's a nice little story... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knGg4DgbOdE
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Oct 4, 2013 23:45
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Holy poo poo.
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Oct 4, 2013 23:54
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Tin Tim posted:How about we give both of you crap for being such giant nerds, hmm? Jesus loving christ.  Well, that was amazing. Thank you for making that I'll have to add it to the OP. Should be able to get the episode up overnight, but I managed to sleep all day today so I've got to do some work on it first.
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Tin Tim posted:Oh yeah, almost forgot. I also have a late "Welcome back" present for you guys! It's a nice little story... All I wish now is some way to import this song into the game radio, because gently caress. That's awesome.
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