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So this is the fourth tech-related number they've received and the second one in social networking. The other two were Root and that kid with the super-compression. In addition to numbers like Leon and Zoe who are assets to the team, it seems like the Machine is watching for potential threats or improvements to it's very system. I doubt the irrelevant numbers are chosen randomly. I also wonder if SuperAnonymous is acting at the behest of the Machine, eliminating possible competition.
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Slamhound posted:So this is the fourth tech-related number they've received and the second one in social networking. The other two were Root and that kid with the super-compression. In addition to numbers like Leon and Zoe who are assets to the team, it seems like the Machine is watching for potential threats or improvements to it's very system. I doubt the irrelevant numbers are chosen randomly. I also wonder if SuperAnonymous is acting at the behest of the Machine, eliminating possible competition. I'm kinda getting that feeling too, from last season we already know that the Machine is capable of setting up an entire shell corporation to maintain its "memories" with nobody being aware that it's not a real person, so now that it's "free" it may be using the same methods for a different purpose.
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Oct 3, 2013 22:22
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Managed to catch the paley stream after all. Theres some very slight spoilers for next weeks episode so far, since i think they screened that before the panel.
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Oct 4, 2013 00:46
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A few things I remember from Paley stream. Bear is talked about quite often. Fusco reminds us that he started with Bear first. Emerson talks about when walking around NYC people ask him all the time if he will keep the dog. Shaw and Carter flashbacks will happen sometime during the show. Root does leave the mental asylum. Shaw and Root will meet again and possibly fight
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Oct 4, 2013 00:58
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Taraji couldn't be at the panel because she was filming the aforementioned flashback. A fan from China attended the panel and gave Emerson and Caviziel little Reese and Finch plushies and Jim gave her a hug. 
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Oct 4, 2013 01:01
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This will get uploaded to YouTube later, right?
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Oct 4, 2013 01:13
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KilGrey posted:This will get uploaded to YouTube later, right? Yeah the Paley center usually puts the panels up in clips if not the full thing.
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Oct 4, 2013 02:36
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Slamhound posted:So this is the fourth tech-related number they've received and the second one in social networking. The other two were Root and that kid with the super-compression. In addition to numbers like Leon and Zoe who are assets to the team, it seems like the Machine is watching for potential threats or improvements to it's very system. I doubt the irrelevant numbers are chosen randomly. I also wonder if SuperAnonymous is acting at the behest of the Machine, eliminating possible competition. I'm very much against this train of thought. If only because everything we've seen of the Machine thus far has suggested that it wants to save every life it possibly can. I would be out of character, in my opinion, for the machine to rally up an army for the sole purpose of "eliminating the competition." I do however believe that the Machine's plan for root definitely involves these people, whether it be protection from them, or having root act as the Machine's prophet to turn them onto it's side without bloodshed.
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Oct 5, 2013 00:28
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I agree it just seems like people who get into this sort of trouble often have tons to lose, hardest to fall and all that. The fact most of these numbers usually are top of their fields, etc. just make them more likely targets and have more enemies. That being said someone like Leon showing up constantly is probably The Machine going "it's a repeat and easily resolved" and more of a coincidence of the writing than anything else that whenever someone like Leon gets rescued he ends up helping the team for the episode.
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Oct 5, 2013 00:34
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Zaggitz posted:I'm very much against this train of thought. If only because everything we've seen of the Machine thus far has suggested that it wants to save every life it possibly can. I would be out of character, in my opinion, for the machine to rally up an army for the sole purpose of "eliminating the competition." I'm not especially married to this theory, it's just fascinating how the Machine has emerged as such a presence while acting almost entirely in the background.
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Oct 5, 2013 01:03
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The Machine could see Life Trace as a threat because of what it facilitates - makes it easy for stalkers etc to get information on people, leading to violent confrontation. So, yes, it would want to stop the event, but might also want to stop the precipitating circumstances.
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Oct 5, 2013 03:01
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While we're speculating, it could be that the machine has noticed that a bunch of the folks saved by Team Finch have changed their ways afterwards. Maybe it's using Not-Anonymous as a way to force a threat on these people that it sees as problems, and then spits out the target's number so that he/she can be saved and "redeemed". Yeah, probably a little bit too convoluted.
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Oct 5, 2013 03:37
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I still think that it's fascinating writing that The Machine has so much character that we've seen through nothing more than some brief glances of analytical data and a handful of direct actions (setting up a corporation to record its memories). The Machine directing Reese to take out the hostile Decima agents in the S2 finale is still one of the greatest scenes in the show, IMO.
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Oct 5, 2013 19:24
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I just noticed that the POI rewatch blog's final entries are all about the writers failing to drink Pepsi. Did a sponsorship deal fall through, leaving the writers adrift and bitter?
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Squidster posted:I just noticed that the POI rewatch blog's final entries are all about the writers failing to drink Pepsi. Did a sponsorship deal fall through, leaving the writers adrift and bitter? I think it's some sort of gag where for every bad idea they get they chuck a pepsi.
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Oct 6, 2013 00:52
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I just got into watching this and am catching up with the whole show, I loving love it. I do have a question is it every explained why Finch uses a board of what appears to be a broken window? Like what is that? My theory is its a window from the World Trade Center, but I dunno is it ever explained?
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Oct 6, 2013 02:42
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It was probably just in the library. I don't know if it's got that much of an intricate backstory, but it makes for a really fun looking prop when they use it.
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Zaggitz posted:It was probably just in the library. I don't know if it's got that much of an intricate backstory, but it makes for a really fun looking prop when they use it. Didn't it get broken in an S1 episode? Something in the back of my mind says it did, but I can't recall any specifics.
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Oct 6, 2013 07:03
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Nah it's always been broken, I'm fairly sure even in the Nathan in the library flashbacks it's there and broken.
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Oct 6, 2013 07:30
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To me the whole anonymus storyline is not as convuluted as some of you think. It seems that they are portrayed as data privacy group from hell and will probably try to find out more/destroy the machine/team finch later in the season. In this they are the newest incarnation of a story-archtype we had pretty much since season one.
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Oct 6, 2013 07:38
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Oct 6, 2013 13:20
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Kai Tave posted:Only if what they have planned involved massive loss of life. "Relevant" threats seem to be predicated on wide-scale attacks that threaten large numbers of people. The few Machine-aided instances of relevant numbers coming up have all fallen into that category, things like dirty bombs and people smuggling plutonium. If Militant Anonymous limits themselves to small-scale attacks...a databroker here, a politician there, blackmail and extortion instead of outright murder...then it's possible they can stay under the Machine's relevance threshold. Which makes them Reese and Finch's problem. You also have to bear in mind that the Machine controls itself now, so it really is the one deciding what to call relevant these days. It could decide to pass a relevant threat to Finch and company if it felt like it.
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Oct 6, 2013 15:20
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Please don't post tumblr slash art in this thread.
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Oct 6, 2013 17:40
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And there is much worse, the only way I can erase it from my mind is probably to walk into a sketchy bar and goad everyone into beating me to within an inch of my life.
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Oct 6, 2013 19:04
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Show them tumblr slash art, I'm pretty sure that'll do it.
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Gordon Shumway posted:You also have to bear in mind that the Machine controls itself now, so it really is the one deciding what to call relevant these days. It could decide to pass a relevant threat to Finch and company if it felt like it. Is it though? I mean if it's still only communicating by Social Security numbers then maybe it's still sort of following it's original program. I mean why else doesn't it just info dump all available information to them? That's what makes me think that its not actually communicating with Root and that she's just crazy the machine didn't give her information on that doctor she found that on her own.
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Oct 6, 2013 19:37
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The reason the machine is only giving Reese and Finch socials(encoded in dewey decimal system) is because any more information being passed through the internet could conceivably be tracked by people like root or the Northern Light program. Alternatively, the explanation Nathan gives in S1 about only getting a number being the only way the government doesn't infringe on people's rights.
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Oct 6, 2013 20:01
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One thing I'm not clear on; When he freed the machine, did he also patch out the part of its programming that forced it to wipe itself every night?
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Hollis posted:Is it though? I mean if it's still only communicating by Social Security numbers then maybe it's still sort of following it's original program. I mean why else doesn't it just info dump all available information to them? If it is contacting Root, then it's already changing the rules of its original program, since the phone call was meant to be the last resort thing. Also, here's an interesting theory on why it keeps only giving social security numbers: it knows Finch's views on privacy and due process (which he just stated in this episode and which Nathan brought up in a flashback) and is continuing the number system out of respect for that.
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SiKboy posted:One thing I'm not clear on; When he freed the machine, did he also patch out the part of its programming that forced it to wipe itself every night? That would probably fall under "learn to defend yourself" so I'm gonna go with yes.
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Gordon Shumway posted:If it is contacting Root, then it's already changing the rules of its original program, since the phone call was meant to be the last resort thing. Also, here's an interesting theory on why it keeps only giving social security numbers: it knows Finch's views on privacy and due process (which he just stated in this episode and which Nathan brought up in a flashback) and is continuing the number system out of respect for that. That makes the machine even more frightening if it has respect. I don't know I find the whole concept that the machine has feelings or something akin to feeling terrifying. I also completely see the machine becoming a major foe or at least Decimus or another company somehow extrapolating and stealing the code for it and you end up with 2 competing AIs. I mean here is the thing, and the show hasn't discussed it yet. The machine can improve itself ,but Harold crippled it in a way so as to take away it's memories. It's figured out a way around that, it's now under it's own power. So Harold just ushered in the apocalypse because the only place to go from here is the Singularity which is kind a of big scary thing. The direction I see the show going is : Competing AI The Machine evolving and becoming more intelligent to the point of super intelligent which is inevitable. Remember the machine has been "active" for 2 years. Having the show end with the Machine ushering in the new age of mankind would be amazing.
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Oct 7, 2013 01:06
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All I know is Jonah Nolan promised it would never go the way of Skynet from the terminator movies. And coined it in a way that was like "what if you had something with the power of skynet, but completely benevolent?"
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Oct 7, 2013 01:28
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It is kind of great that after all her "bad code" talk, Root is having her code corrected by the Machine (kind of, and with debatable success). As for the new group, I'm somewhat ambivalent. Ideology has played such a negligible role in the conflicts up to now beyond the vaguest of principles that I'm somewhat concerned we're headed for a blatant "benevolent technocrats against evil ideologues," though precedent could just as easily suggest that the show has been just as hard on purportedly benevolent technocrats (even including Finch and Reese) as it has on anyone else. If a network procedural actually threads the needle and critiques both ideology and "ideologylessness" I'll be impressed.
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Hollis posted:That makes the machine even more frightening if it has respect. I don't know I find the whole concept that the machine has feelings or something akin to feeling terrifying. The first two sentient and non-directed decisions we've seen it make are saving Harold's life and setting him up with a girl. Yeah, I'm terrified of the awesome potential of Skymatch.com.
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Boogaleeboo posted:The first two sentient and non-directed decisions we've seen it make are saving Harold's life and setting him up with a girl. Person of Interest: One Nation Under Skymatch.com
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I'm worried about the idea of Root teaching the machine. They are having an argument over whether or not to kill the doctor. What are the chances of Root winning the Machine over? And what happens when Root teaches the Machine just how hosed up people are?
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Oct 8, 2013 16:06
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The Machine spends most of it's time profiling, for lack of a better term, rapists and murders and terrorists. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's gotten the newsflash that lots of people suck.
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burtonos posted:I'm worried about the idea of Root teaching the machine. They are having an argument over whether or not to kill the doctor. What are the chances of Root winning the Machine over? And what happens when Root teaches the Machine just how hosed up people are? I'm expecting that when PoI finally does end, it's going to be pretty close to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeboqg4t9vs.
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 Tonight's episode: Lady KillerSynopsis:Reese and Finch enlist the help of Carter, Shaw and Zoe Morgan, who use their feminine wiles to bait a chameleon playboy who is either a predator or someone else’s imminent prey. Meanwhile, The Machine helps Root to plot an escape from her psych ward confinement before a dangerous enemy can track her down. Preview Sneak Peek 1 Sneak Peek 2
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