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Just started watching the LP. I really liked Vesperia when I played it back when it released. I don't really get the hate for Karol. In combat, he's pretty strong, and character wise, he probably has the best overall arc. Hopefully he'll grow on you guys, but since Vicas has already beaten the game, maybe not... Also his Arte names own because he's a child so he tries to make all of his abilities sound as cool as possible.
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Oct 7, 2013 18:54
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I'm okay with Karol and his character arc is pretty decent but we make jokes here and someone needs to be the butt Besides, we have an entire appreciation station dedicated to him
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Oct 7, 2013 18:57
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Karol isn't helped by being one of the most universally hated JRPG archetypes. By simply being the kid character, people default to disliking him.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:12
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I liked Karol because he wasn't like Anise.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:17
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Why does it matter that he's good later if he's kinda poo poo now? He's better than Estelle though. Offensively dumb is better than offensively boring.Sgt Thud posted:Karol isn't helped by being one of the most universally hated JRPG archetypes. By simply being the kid character, people default to disliking him. I think it's more the bumbling idiot archetype that attracts people's ire than kid per se.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:33
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Karol is pretty useful as a backup healer. Nigh-instantaneous healing and status cure is a lifesaver.
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Oct 7, 2013 19:53
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I hate slow, heavy attackers so I never bothered using Karol but I never really minded him as a character, though I have a pretty high tolerance for dumb anime stereotypes as long as there's some decent characters to pick up the slack (Yuri and the two remaining party members more than make up for Karol and Estelle)
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Oct 7, 2013 20:15
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Karol is pretty drat good for his archetype, but he is just perfect for making fun of in early game. Hell, it actually make his character arc better if you do.
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Oct 7, 2013 20:59
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Go Team Murphy! Running out of Life Bottles is the absolute worst though, especially if you're playing on any of the higher difficulty levels. Bosses don't give a gently caress if you're dead, dying, or recently deceased but got better - the hits just keep coming!
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Oct 7, 2013 21:00
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It bugs me that there seems to be no real reason that the party is even following Yuri around to begin with. Repede is his dog so that makes sense. Estelle only seems to be there because the plot heavy-handedly has Flynn's next stop always be the same as Yuri's. Karol seems to have no reason not to just bumble off and do his own thing, and Rita just flat out says, "I'm following you now," and no one even asks for an explanation. It's like the game just says "They've joined the party now don't question it."
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Oct 7, 2013 21:33
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Karol pretty obviously looks up to Yuri, and he has no real idea what he wants to do yet - it makes sense that he'd follow Yuri around.
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Oct 7, 2013 21:37
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Pavlov posted:It bugs me that there seems to be no real reason that the party is even following Yuri around to begin with. Repede is his dog so that makes sense. Estelle only seems to be there because the plot heavy-handedly has Flynn's next stop always be the same as Yuri's. Karol seems to have no reason not to just bumble off and do his own thing, and Rita just flat out says, "I'm following you now," and no one even asks for an explanation. It's like the game just says "They've joined the party now don't question it." Karol doesn't really have a reason to join the party beyond what Endorph said about looking up to Yuri, but the plot is very soon going to make it obvious that he also doesn't have anywhere else to go, either
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Oct 7, 2013 21:40
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Rita also has a reason for coming with you, minor spoilers. In the scene before the Shaikos Ruins boss fight, when Estelle heals Rita, Rita noticed something weird with Estelle's blastia -- just like Yuri did back in the castle.
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Oct 7, 2013 21:40
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Pavlov posted:It bugs me that there seems to be no real reason that the party is even following Yuri around to begin with. Repede is his dog so that makes sense. Estelle only seems to be there because the plot heavy-handedly has Flynn's next stop always be the same as Yuri's. Karol seems to have no reason not to just bumble off and do his own thing, and Rita just flat out says, "I'm following you now," and no one even asks for an explanation. It's like the game just says "They've joined the party now don't question it." Estellise follow Yuri because she is a spoiled [REDACTED] and wants to see the world, and then Follow him for more concrete reasons. Rita at first uses Yuri to get those Blastia thief taken care of, and then Follow him because of PLOT. Karol follow him because he is lonely and wants to be a hero.
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Oct 7, 2013 21:40
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So wow that boss is way easier with two people, when I first did it everybody decided to run up to him and do nothing getting themselves killed quickly. I also hope you enjoy bosses abusing the gently caress out of over limit because holy poo poo do they like to. Lastly, Karol is great, he just sucks at actually fighting things.
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Oct 7, 2013 21:48
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Arkeus posted:Estellise follow Yuri because she is a spoiled [REDACTED] and wants to see the world, and then Follow him for more concrete reasons. Rita at first uses Yuri to get those Blastia thief taken care of, and then Follow him because of PLOT. Karol follow him because he is lonely and wants to be a hero. Karol is also tagging along because we all saw how he is. He wouldn't be able to make it back to wherever he lives on his own.
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Oct 7, 2013 22:09
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Couldn't help but let my mind drift when you mentioned that Murphy pops up repeatedly as a palette swap. and that image as a transparent template if anyone else wants to use it.
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Oct 7, 2013 22:23
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Yeah, I know the game's got to give explanations eventually. Right now it just feels strange that a bunch of people are traveling together, none of them have given reasons for doing so, and nobody is asking. I'm kind of surprised that Pavlov fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Oct 7, 2013 |
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Oct 7, 2013 23:16
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To be honest I don't think I've ever played a jrpg other than Chrono Trigger, FFT and maybe FF9 that made me think "wow this story is really well crafted and I'm so into it I can't stop playing". Every single jrpg I've played always ended up having dull, power-of-friendship telegraphed plots and characters. I haven't played many but to me that seems to be the trend. To be even more honest I'm making an active effort to follow this LP because honestly this game is so loving boring and uninteresting, I'm just leaving it on another monitor because I enjoy the chatter while working on stuff. I'm pretty sure that to enjoy jrpgs you have to be either an anime spaz or a grinding/farming addict.
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Oct 7, 2013 23:38
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Pavlov posted:Right now it just feels strange that a bunch of people are traveling together, none of them have given reasons for doing so, and nobody is asking. Both Karol and Rita had their motives questioned. Sure, Yuri didn't call them out when they gave obvious excuses hiding ulterior motives, but I guess he's the kind of guy who'd just go with it.
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Oct 7, 2013 23:48
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necroid posted:To be honest I don't think I've ever played a jrpg other than Chrono Trigger, FFT and maybe FF9 that made me think "wow this story is really well crafted and I'm so into it I can't stop playing". Every single jrpg I've played always ended up having dull, power-of-friendship telegraphed plots and characters. I haven't played many but to me that seems to be the trend. To be even more honest I'm making an active effort to follow this LP because honestly this game is so loving boring and uninteresting, I'm just leaving it on another monitor because I enjoy the chatter while working on stuff. eh, there's different levels of enjoyment you can get out of jrpg stories. Personally I would say ToV has an okay story with fun characters that more than make up for it. It's a silly game but aren't they all?
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Oct 8, 2013 00:01
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Smooglii posted:Both Karol and Rita had their motives questioned. Sure, Yuri didn't call them out when they gave obvious excuses hiding ulterior motives, but I guess he's the kind of guy who'd just go with it. Yeah, Yuri is just going with the flow because he doesn't want to bother with the plot. He's pretty much what you would get if you put like, Squall and the dude from the big lebowski in a blender and made a JRPG around him. Sgt Thud posted:Karol isn't helped by being one of the most universally hated JRPG archetypes. By simply being the kid character, people default to disliking him. Karol just has some tough competition. He would be one of the best characters in say, Symphonia, but here he has to compete against a dog smoking a pipe. Plus he's one of those characters that's just really fun to make fun of even if you don't hate him. Hopeford fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 00:09
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Vicas posted:eh, there's different levels of enjoyment you can get out of jrpg stories. Personally I would say ToV has an okay story with fun characters that more than make up for it. It's a silly game but aren't they all? Of course, it's a matter of tastes. I tend to sound like a oval office when it comes to japanese games because I just can't stand the plots and the characters and the dialogues even if I might vaguely enjoy the game mechanics. It doesn't help when most of the game looks like it's just padding for the dating sim cutscenes and dialogues...
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Oct 8, 2013 00:11
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Sherringford posted:Karol just has some tough competition. He would be one of the best characters in say, Symphonia, but here he has to compete against a dog smoking a pipe. Plus he's one of those characters that's just really fun to make fun of even if you don't hate him. And everyone in the game just loves making fun of Karol and his general Animeness, he's kinda the group punching bag.
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Oct 8, 2013 00:13
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Just as long as Repede keeps not caring about the cutscenes, he will be my favorite character.
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necroid posted:It doesn't help when most of the game looks like it's just padding for the dating sim cutscenes and dialogues... Your facetiousness has been noted, but I'm still confused. Do you mean that Vesperia's writing is of the same quality as fan translated porn prose, or do you mean it actually is trying to be a rpg dating sim hybrid like Persona?
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Oct 8, 2013 00:41
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Fingers of Fury posted:Your facetiousness has been noted, but I'm still confused. Do you mean that Vesperia's writing is of the same quality as fan translated porn prose, or do you mean it actually is trying to be a rpg dating sim hybrid like Persona? Never played a Persona so I can't tell, what I meant is it just looks like it's railroading you through the plot (like most jrpgs) with the help of cutscenes and dialogues that don't seem like rewards for having taken genuine interest in fellow party members, they're just there to throw in some cheap fluff that didn't require animating characters. Of course I always end up sounding so bitter and grumpy because I harbor an inherent dislike of this sort of cookie-cutter mass-produced jrpg and I'm just here to listen to funny people say funny things, I don't want to derail the thread to discuss the merits of japanese games.
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Oct 8, 2013 01:02
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I always had Karol in my party, because I figured anyone who got an arte named Nice Aid Smash deserved to be in my party on general principle.
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Oct 8, 2013 01:12
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Vesperia is a fun game with a decent plot until certain characters begin to play bigger parts within the story. Then everything starts to go down hill. Also I am fine with Karol 99.9% of the time, it's just one particular line of his made me want to strangle him with his own intestines.
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Oct 8, 2013 01:21
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necroid posted:Never played a Persona so I can't tell, what I meant is it just looks like it's railroading you through the plot (like most jrpgs) with the help of cutscenes and dialogues that don't seem like rewards for having taken genuine interest in fellow party members, they're just there to throw in some cheap fluff that didn't require animating characters. If you're complaining about Skits, then yeah, they're just there for fluff. Some of them tell you where to go, or explain a little about something you just picked up, but in the end they're there to cut down on the time spent in actual cutscenes and lets people who are too impatient to watch them just go ahead and play instead. It's actually a fairly smart way of doing things in my opinion, despite not understanding why you would play a JRPG if you can't handle cutscenes. Some of the more hidden skits can also be pretty funny, as a little reward for people who go out of their way to see them all. By the way Kuvo, you missed the skit where you aren't allowed to use any items for the first third of the game 
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Oct 8, 2013 01:33
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necroid posted:I don't want to derail the thread to discuss the merits of japanese games. Why did you bring it up, then? Was it that important to tell people how much you hate JRPGs and deride those who enjoy them when clearly some exist in the thread and even the LP itself?
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Oct 8, 2013 01:36
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cofaigh posted:Couldn't help but let my mind drift when you mentioned that Murphy pops up repeatedly as a palette swap. This picture reminded me of something else  YEEEEEHAAAAAWW! Kuvo fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 8, 2013 |
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Oct 8, 2013 01:49
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necroid posted:Never played a Persona so I can't tell, what I meant is it just looks like it's railroading you through the plot (like most jrpgs) with the help of cutscenes and dialogues that don't seem like rewards for having taken genuine interest in fellow party members, they're just there to throw in some cheap fluff that didn't require animating characters. Man I asked you to clarify what your criticism of the writing was, instead you give me a vague description of what linear storytelling is.
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Oct 8, 2013 02:27
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Fedule posted:I always had Karol in my party, because I figured anyone who got an arte named Nice Aid Smash deserved to be in my party on general principle. The biggest joke the developers of this game pulled on us was that Karol had better healing AI than Estelle.
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Oct 8, 2013 02:58
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Sydin posted:The biggest joke the developers of this game pulled on us was that Karol had better healing AI than Estelle. I have a theory that the AI just rolls a die to decide what it's going to do next, because it sure as hell doesn't pay attention to status effects or enemy resistances.
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Oct 8, 2013 03:13
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Smooglii posted:Both Karol and Rita had their motives questioned. Sure, Yuri didn't call them out when they gave obvious excuses hiding ulterior motives, but I guess he's the kind of guy who'd just go with it. Their reason for being there wasn't as much questioned as it was offhandedly mentioned, which is almost worse because it highlights the lack of any noticeable motivation without providing any. I mean, if you're going to put your life in someone's hands while picking fights with giant monsters, it's nice to at least know why that other person was there to begin with. I know Yuri's kind of chill, but that still screams jRPG logic to me.
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ALL GLORY TO THE MURPHY
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Oct 8, 2013 04:31
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Geop posted:ALL GLORY TO THE MURPHY It's not complete without the proper soundtrack.
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Oct 8, 2013 04:43
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LeafyOrb posted:I have a theory that the AI just rolls a die to decide what it's going to do next, because it sure as hell doesn't pay attention to status effects or enemy resistances. I've never had a problem with healing AI. When I get afflicted with a status effect, Estelle or Karol is usually on it (though they sometimes keep trying to heal my HP when I'm poisoned). Enemy resistances are pretty easy to set up yourself. Just turn off the spells you don't want to use if it matches a resistive element.
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BearDrivingTruck posted:The sidequest that starts at Rita's house is the most bullshit sidequest in the game. Other than that, though, the sidequests in Vesperia didn't feel that bad (although it's been a few years since I've played, so my recollection is fuzzy). Eh, depends how you define "bullshit". Yeah, it has a lot of arbitrary and confusing missable forever steps, but there's at least two that require a ton of grinding to complete that I hate even more. (Of course, I've long resigned myself to using sidequest guides in JRPGs because I just take it as a given that I'll need it to resolve at least one bullshit sidequest. So I'm probably not as worked up about it as I could be).
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