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The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax
It should be noted at all times however that Morrigi mating habits are not as blissful and perfect as a dolphin's.

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Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

The Sharmat posted:

It should be noted at all times however that Morrigi mating habits are not as blissful and perfect as a dolphin's gang rape party.

Fixed that for you.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax
A dolphin would never do that shut up

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

The Sharmat posted:

A dolphin would never do that shut up

All I know is whenever I hear their goddamned voice clips, I can feel them psychicly sticking their dick in my ear.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
If we're going on this weird derail, can anybody explain why someone felt the need to write reams and reams of background information on Tarka mating habits? Like, what the christ, dude. Not even the Hivers have this much info in their bio pages. It's ridiculous.

Also gross.

Nephilm
Jun 11, 2009

by Lowtax
Because Dembo.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands
In all fairness, I thought it was kinda funny that human scientists couldn't make heads or tails of Tarkan culture until they could get their hands on the Tarkan version of Twilight.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
I can only imagine the Hiver response upon finding out.


"My queen, it burns! Please don't make us research it any more!"

Abyss
Oct 29, 2011
There are a various custom maps that were designed for the SotS prime community on the kerberos forums. But since no one should be forced to scrounge through all the posts there I've zipped them up. They provide some more variety to the game once the usual map choices have been played through. If I find more I'll redo the link. Extract the files to the Maps folder located in the main SotS directory.

SotS Prime Custom Maps

Abyss fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Oct 11, 2013

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

Abyss posted:

There are a various custom maps that were designed for the SotS prime community on the kerberos forums. But since no one should be forced to scrounge through all the posts there I've zipped them up. The provide some more variety to the game once the usual map choices have been played through. If I find more I'll redo the link. Extract the files to the Maps folder located in the main SotS directory.

SotS Prime Custom Maps

:stare:

drat, Thanks Abyss, that's a lot of work you just saved the entire thread.

Uhh, Kei? Might I request this get put in the OP?

Koboje
Sep 20, 2005

Quack

Abyss posted:

There are a various custom maps that were designed for the SotS prime community on the kerberos forums. But since no one should be forced to scrounge through all the posts there I've zipped them up. The provide some more variety to the game once the usual map choices have been played through. If I find more I'll redo the link. Extract the files to the Maps folder located in the main SotS directory.

SotS Prime Custom Maps

That is amazing! Gonna have so much fun with these. Been playing much Sots 1 lately.

I don't suppose there are any good mods out there too?

Ulsoro
Jan 13, 2008

Koboje posted:

That is amazing! Gonna have so much fun with these. Been playing much Sots 1 lately.

I don't suppose there are any good mods out there too?

The Trade mod in the OP is good for just making trade less of a pain in the rear end to deal with.

The two I've been playing around with lately are:

ACM - Which is an incredibly massive overhaul of pretty much everything from ships to research. I've barely scratched the surface of it to be honest, but it seems interesting.

Grand Campaign Mod - Another big overhaul that rebalances and adds a few things, but keeps itself a lot closer to vanilla. It has slower research, but nowhere near as slow as ACM. It also has a lot of nice quality of life thing in it, like only one sized freighter so you don't have to rebuild your trade fleet, and automatically giving you the pieces of your UI at the correct tech level, rather than making you research them like vanilla does.

Of the two I'd say I prefer Grand Campaign, but both are well worth trying out.

Ulsoro fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 11, 2013

Koboje
Sep 20, 2005

Quack

Ulsoro posted:

The Trade mod in the OP is good for just making trade less of a pain in the rear end to deal with.

The two I've been playing around with lately are:

ACM - Which is an incredibly massive overhaul of pretty much everything from ships to research. I've barely scratched the surface of it to be honest, but it seems interesting.

Grand Campaign Mod - Another big overhaul that rebalances and adds a few things, but keeps itself a lot closer to vanilla. It has slower research, but nowhere near as slow as ACM. It also has a lot of nice quality of life thing in it, like only one sized freighter so you don't have to rebuild your trade fleet, and automatically giving you the pieces of your UI at the correct tech level, rather than making you research them like vanilla does.

Of the two I'd say I prefer Grand Campaign, but both are well worth trying out.

Thats great, thanks!

Keisari
May 24, 2011

Thanks for the helpful work guys, I put them on the OP now for easy access. :) (=The map pack and the mods)

Deadmeat5150
Nov 21, 2005

OLD MAN YELLS AT CLAN
Man I forgot how much fun ACM can be. A friend of man I introduced to SotS1 years ago and I just finished the first multiplayer game we've had in a long while, and we're living in different states now.

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011
Going to be doing a tutorial for Morrigi on SotS with Nephilm, Deleter, Prompt, and Abyss.

Going to touch on diplomacy in this, and also trade.

https://www.twitch.tv/EdwardTank

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011
Gonna be streaming about the Zuul earlier than normal, because Keisari is loving boss at them and I want him to help out.

https://www.twitch.tv/EdwardTank

Starting at 4:30 PM EST


Well that was a clusterfuck. I'm gonna have to try this again. Sorry everybody.

E-Tank fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 20, 2013

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
Does anyone have any preferred weapon setups or ship design tips for SotS1? I'm currently playing a very long Hiver game where the Zuul and me are in Dreadnought wars and I need to hold them off for as long as possible whilst I tech to Antimatter. My tiny fleet size compared to them is pretty frustrating too - I can take a few ships down but it's a struggle to do that and they'll win the inevitable battle of attrition. They're using heavy lasers a lot if that's any help.

E-Tank
Aug 4, 2011

The Deleter posted:

Does anyone have any preferred weapon setups or ship design tips for SotS1? I'm currently playing a very long Hiver game where the Zuul and me are in Dreadnought wars and I need to hold them off for as long as possible whilst I tech to Antimatter. My tiny fleet size compared to them is pretty frustrating too - I can take a few ships down but it's a struggle to do that and they'll win the inevitable battle of attrition. They're using heavy lasers a lot if that's any help.

Go for Energy Absorbers/Disruptors. That'll absorb the heavy lasers and let you just fire back at your leisure.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

E-Tank posted:

Go for Energy Absorbers/Disruptors. That'll absorb the heavy lasers and let you just fire back at your leisure.

My last Tarka game, I missed the 70% start of game chance for Deflectors :downs:, maybe his hiver's 40% for deflectors, then 20% for disruptors works out though? As for Energy Absorbers, he can't get that while teching up to Antimatter because it's an Antimatter tech (25% for Hivers).

I can't remember if Zuul are able to field an extra dreadnaught in combat compared to normal with their racial bonuses. But if you are in straight up Dreadnaught slugfests against the Zuul as the Hivers, straight up Armor Ships with Battle bridges and whatever armor techs you landed should let you keep pace, the real killer will be how many gate points dreads need to travel, which adds up even before you include the gate costs for the support ships (You ARE bringing enough repair power to patch your survivors at least halfway right?)

Either way, you will need at least basic Heavy Combat Lasers to unlock Battle Bridge for Dreads. Worth it even if you never upgrade your heavy combat lasers, because they have almost twice the Health, slightly better turn speed, and 3 Large, 12 medium mounts along with the 4 Heavy beam compared to the Standard's 1 large, 6 medium, 9 small.

Sure, the battle bridge doesn't have any small mounts. But gently caress that, beat the hivers at their own game with MORE GUN :black101: Hivers vs Zuul is some of my favorite battles even if the sheer amount of them can wear on, especially mid game where you can have a Cruiser CnC and cruiser refineries/repair ships leading a swarm of Hiver Hammerhead/Armor destroyers to murder the gently caress out of Zuul Cruisers.

The Zuul battle bridges are also pretty awesome, because those are the ones that look like skulls with eyebrow turrets. Can you tell I like battle bridges when not using specialty command sections?

Section Z fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 22, 2013

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Battle Bridges are excellent nosecones for general purpose usage. Sometimes you'll want other nosecones for specialist ships but in general the Battle Bridge is a reliable workhorse.

The Deleter
May 22, 2010
I read all the advice, started a new game as Hivers, followed said advice and suddenly I'm laughing in joyous rapture as Zuul and Liir ships crumble to my heavy lasers and get juggled around by the mass drivers of my swarms of destroyers. Hiver supremacy, you psychic little shits!

On a side note, I always put this on when the aforementioned juggling begins.

Superstring
Jul 22, 2007

I thought I was going insane for a second.

How do you install/uninstall that trademod for SotS1?

Aethernet
Jan 28, 2009

This is the Captain...

Our glorious political masters have, in their wisdom, decided to form an alliance with a rag-tag bunch of freedom fighters right when the Federation has us at a tactical disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this has resulted in the Feds firing on our vessels...

Damn you Huxley!

Grimey Drawer
Kerberos have finally just outright blamed Paradox for the state of SOTS2 at launch:

Mecron posted:

Or more likely we would have not have tried to keep going when they had trouble meeting payments and just gone our own way and crowdsourced it instead. The game and the team would have been healthier for it but at the time, we wanted to pull together with our publisher and not run at the first sign of trouble.

'Trouble meeting payments' I interpret as 'No longer wanting to hand over money without an end in sight'.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Good job Mecron. Releasing SOTS2 really did Paradox a solid favour and saved the day.

Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

Aethernet posted:

Kerberos have finally just outright blamed Paradox for the state of SOTS2 at launch:


'Trouble meeting payments' I interpret as 'No longer wanting to hand over money without an end in sight'.

poo poo just imagine how much money we would have thrown at them crowd funding and imagine how much crowd funding would be damaged because of it haha.

ACM is an amazing mod from an awesome russian modder--his human designs may be a little silly but they look so much better not to mention he loving introduces carriers which i will forever love him for.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax

Aethernet posted:

Kerberos have finally just outright blamed Paradox for the state of SOTS2 at launch:


'Trouble meeting payments' I interpret as 'No longer wanting to hand over money without an end in sight'.

I'm all for hating publishers and fighting the power, but this is incredibly scummy and disingenuous after Paradox had to eat God knows how many refunds over this turd. Paradox isn't loving EA.

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

The Sharmat posted:

I'm all for hating publishers and fighting the power, but this is incredibly scummy and disingenuous after Paradox had to eat God knows how many refunds over this turd. Paradox isn't loving EA.

Paradox were loving class acts over this lovely game. They couldn't give me a refund over Steam for whatever reason so they gave me Batman: Arkham City instead which actually cost more than SotS2 and I still have SotS2 in my Steam library! I pre-order all the Paradox titles I want at full price because of this.

andyf
May 18, 2008

happy car is happy

e - oops this was indirectly linked above, here's the direct responses from the AMA anyway.

Paradox did an AMA on reddit, here's the Q&A regarding anything kerberos:

  1. Q: Im sorta asking on behalf of those on the kerberos message board, but is there any chance you could let the developers crowd source the funding necessary, or some of it, for a sots2 expansion/big content update? I'm sure a lot of fans would be willing to step up some of the money.

    A: I think that's a conversation best had between us and Kerberos - it's trickier than it seems on the surface.


  2. Q: So what really happened with the release of sword of the stars II? There was the claim of the beta upload, followed by the announcement that it was actually the final version from Kerberos Productions.

    A: It's been answered before in the thread. It was delayed already and we didn't have any option but to release it as it was or kill it off.


  3. Q: How did you let Sword of the Stars II be published? Who dropped the ball?

    A: We had to release it or kill it off. It had been delayed already and extending it yet again wasn't an option.
    As a publisher we're always responsible for the final quality of the game. So that is on us. Kerberos did their best with the game but ultimately we had to launch with what less than they'd promised and we wanted to.
    They've shown great dedication and updated the game several times over and over.
    I think SOTS2 with the expansion today is a good enough game.

    Q: Thats true, I just had to ask. Thanks for the reply! I do love how you guys support smaller devs even though that often brings so much trouble.
    I didn't know it was release or kill :/

    A: It's a lovely situation and we tried to avoid it, but it was not to be. Routines are different today and it just wouldn't happen now. The game would have been killed off way, way earlier in production.


  4. Q: Any chance sword of the stars 2 will get another expansion/content pack? Even a small influx of money would help the devs polish the very rough edges of an otherwise amazing, high production value 4x space game.
    Could you comment at all about the blotched launch? Causes? Those responsible? Or is it simply a classic case of an ambitious developer biting off way more then they could chew with the resources that they had?
    A big shame about that. No doubt so many people felt deceived and pretty much just shelved the game forever and forgot about it after cursing everyone involved. Most never even gave it a second chance, even 2 years later where it is a much more stable complete game. Even to this day the developers continue to support the game with patches and fund themselves by doing small kickstarter indie games.

    A: Honestly I really like to. We've approached Kerberos with the idea but they've got their hands full with other things.
    If they build it, we'll publish it.
    The game deserves another expansion.







andyf fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Oct 24, 2013

Talkie Toaster
Jan 23, 2006
May contain carcinogens
Oh, so Kerberos are voluntarily kickstarting junk rather than working with Paradox? Now that's interesting. I thought Paradox would have cut them off- sounds like Mecron isn't a fan of their updated oversight policy then (no big surprise).

Keisari
May 24, 2011

Talkie Toaster posted:

Oh, so Kerberos are voluntarily kickstarting junk rather than working with Paradox? Now that's interesting. I thought Paradox would have cut them off- sounds like Mecron isn't a fan of their updated oversight policy then (no big surprise).

It all boils down to Mecron's pride getting in the way. It is glorious. :allears:

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

Keisari posted:

It all boils down to Mecron's pride getting in the way. It is glorious. :allears:
It also sounds like if they released a new patch they'd have Paradox actually paying attention to what the hell they were doing. So it may not just be Mecron's pride, it may be Mecron worrying that Paradox wouldn't put up his bullshit and Kerberos would actually have to behave like a professional development studio is infected with SA Trolls.

Aethernet
Jan 28, 2009

This is the Captain...

Our glorious political masters have, in their wisdom, decided to form an alliance with a rag-tag bunch of freedom fighters right when the Federation has us at a tactical disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this has resulted in the Feds firing on our vessels...

Damn you Huxley!

Grimey Drawer
You know, the worst part of it is that if they released an expansion I'd buy it.

Mecron doesn't want to hurt me. He can change.

He can change.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands
Paradox: "As the publisher, we're ultimately responsible, and in the future we'd like to improve our oversight to make sure this doesn't happen again. Kerberos didn't quite deliver what they promised on time, but they've shown great dedication and we'd like to work with them to get another expansion out."

Mecron: "Pfeh, we should have cut and run and gone our own way the moment they started getting touchy about handing over money, but we were just too honorable for that. Anyways, we did OUR job, and anything anyone else does is between them and their mirror. How uncool to make drama about it now, though. :smug:"

A charming little object lesson in why professionalism matters, I reckon.

DentedLamp
Aug 2, 2012

Aethernet posted:

You know, the worst part of it is that if they released an expansion I'd buy it.

Mecron doesn't want to hurt me. He can change.

He can change.

You made me physically snort, somehow.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Aethernet posted:

You know, the worst part of it is that if they released an expansion I'd buy it.

I'd buy it in the desperate hope that it fixes something. literally anything at all.
It would not.

The Sharmat
Sep 5, 2011

by Lowtax
Good lord the self deception of those Mecron cultists. "Very rough edges of an otherwise amazing, high production value 4x space game"

Nuclearmonkee
Jun 10, 2009


The Sharmat posted:

Good lord the self deception of those Mecron cultists. "Very rough edges of an otherwise amazing, high production value 4x space game"

It's almost accurate. Just cross out 4x space game and put in tactical space combat game.

DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."
Paradox know that if Kerberos ever got their poo poo together and released "Sword of the Stars:The Tactical Combat Game" they want in on that poo poo. Because it would make mad money. Especially in the current market - Space is big again, but unlike Space Sims, Real Time Space Combat Games are a nearly completely empty genre.

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Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Aethernet posted:

You know, the worst part of it is that if they released an expansion I'd buy it.

Mecron doesn't want to hurt me. He can change.

He can change.

DatonKallandor posted:

Paradox know that if Kerberos ever got their poo poo together and released "Sword of the Stars:The Tactical Combat Game" they want in on that poo poo. Because it would make mad money. Especially in the current market - Space is big again, but unlike Space Sims, Real Time Space Combat Games are a nearly completely empty genre.

Mecron and your better looking twin brother Mercon, if you are snooping on us Funny Little SA Trolls, please, please, either carbon copy SOTS1 with (complete, missing texture free) SOTS2 graphics, or release "Gratuitouser Space Battles" and I will throw my wallet at the screen so hard it shall reach you.

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