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baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

StarkingBarfish posted:

That shows how much I know- I thought it was zero content, but left leaning? Or am I getting mixed up with the Mirror?

The Mirror is sometimes the only major paper (tabloid or not) that reports things about wealth inequality, the state of housing and its impact on the working class, calling the government out on their poo poo and so on. I think it's generally the tabloid of choice, if you have to have one

The Star is just loving vicious

Daily Star reporter quits in protest at tabloid's 'anti-Muslim' coverage

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/muslims-and-daily-star.html


(Guess what these two papers have in common!)

I was going to post their recent front pages and leave it at that, but they're almost all about Big Brother. Almost every single day going back weeks and weeks

e- here's the other EDL connection

(yet again, completely untrue)

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Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

StarkingBarfish posted:

That shows how much I know- I thought it was zero content, but left leaning? Or am I getting mixed up with the Mirror?

There's also the Morning Star, which you might be thinking of. Generally a lot better than the Mirror in terms of content, it's a leftist newspaper, heavily associated with the unions.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4r_a5adehs

Lucozade...Daily Star...Garfield Stuck in the back of your car...

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

A 58 year old retired private investigator was just arrested by Operation Tuleta. Not sure I'm allowed to speculate who it is, but it's pretty easy to figure out.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

baka kaba posted:

The Mirror is sometimes the only major paper (tabloid or not) that reports things about wealth inequality, the state of housing and its impact on the working class, calling the government out on their poo poo and so on. I think it's generally the tabloid of choice, if you have to have one

The Star is just loving vicious

Daily Star reporter quits in protest at tabloid's 'anti-Muslim' coverage

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/muslims-and-daily-star.html


(Guess what these two papers have in common!)


For our American readers - both papers are owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond.

ReV VAdAUL
Oct 3, 2004

I'm WILD about
WILDMAN
Dirty Richard Desmond also owns Channel 5 and its subsidiaries. A few years ago they replaced their legally required evening news segment with a panel show involving a former footballer, a former topless model and... Someone else? The panel discussed vaguely news related topics.

Quite oddly for a supporter of a fascist street gang Mr Desmond also holds aspirations of knighthood. Given the source of his fortune and general behaviour this is unlikely to come to pass.

Sex Vicar
Oct 11, 2007

I thought this was a swingers party...

ReV VAdAUL posted:

Dirty Richard Desmond also owns Channel 5 and its subsidiaries. A few years ago they replaced their legally required evening news segment with a panel show involving a former footballer, a former topless model and... Someone else? The panel discussed vaguely news related topics.

Quite oddly for a supporter of a fascist street gang Mr Desmond also holds aspirations of knighthood. Given the source of his fortune and general behaviour this is unlikely to come to pass.

If I remember how that garbage went down properly, it was the Editor, Dawn Neesom who was pushing the EDL stuff and Dirty Des was the one to actually tell her to cut it out once he got a barrage of angry advertisers threatened to pull advertising if they kept it up and it wasn't helped by Richard Peppiatt's resignation letter going viral. Which lead to a big and embarrassing climbdown alongside a huge anti-EDL article in the Sunday edition that week.

Someone who allows blatant racist baiting articles in his papers toeing the line at actually supporting fascists? Shocking. Who does he think he is? Paul Dacre?

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment I'm alive, I pray for death!
If he's bucking for a knighthood, I'd think Mosley's the more likely inspiration.

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp

ReV VAdAUL posted:



Quite oddly for a supporter of a fascist street gang Mr Desmond also holds aspirations of knighthood. Given the source of his fortune and general behaviour this is unlikely to come to pass.

Yes, you're right...he hasn't hosed any children yet.

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Jut posted:

Yes, you're right...he hasn't hosed any children yet.

I do beg your pardon?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I have a cultural inquiry. What is it with you Brits and having tits in your news (or "news")? No other country I know of has as much tits plastered all over such a socially acceptable and wide spread medium as a daily 'paper'. What's going on here, or am I just horribly sheltered about other countries' papers?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Orange Devil posted:

I have a cultural inquiry. What is it with you Brits and having tits in your news (or "news")? No other country I know of has as much tits plastered all over such a socially acceptable and wide spread medium as a daily 'paper'. What's going on here, or am I just horribly sheltered about other countries' papers?

I thought the germans had tits on the front page but below the fold?

I'm not sure where it came from, I'm guessing the 60's when the sexual revolution was happening but has become a perverse version of itself. I did have a link to a cool video someone did about this but I can't find it... so no ideas why I mention it.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

notaspy posted:

I thought the germans had tits on the front page but below the fold?

I'm not sure where it came from, I'm guessing the 60's when the sexual revolution was happening but has become a perverse version of itself. I did have a link to a cool video someone did about this but I can't find it... so no ideas why I mention it.

You mean the one where it examines how the interviews have changed from "teehee are you single tell us about yourself?" playboy type poo poo to using the women as mouthpieces to push the political views of the editorial staff?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Orange Devil posted:

I have a cultural inquiry. What is it with you Brits and having tits in your news (or "news")? No other country I know of has as much tits plastered all over such a socially acceptable and wide spread medium as a daily 'paper'. What's going on here, or am I just horribly sheltered about other countries' papers?
We're sexually repressed and it comes out in all sorts of weird ways, like having softcore pornography become 'a bit of harmless fun' when it's in a national newspaper but an unforgiveable scandal if it were to be broadcast before the 9pm watershed?

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Orange Devil posted:

You mean the one where it examines how the interviews have changed from "teehee are you single tell us about yourself?" playboy type poo poo to using the women as mouthpieces to push the political views of the editorial staff?

That's the one, wouldn't be surprised if you posted it.

Addendum: Haha, just looked it up on wikipedia and it turns out it was old rup who brought it in during the 70's as sex sells. You couldn't make it up.

notaspy fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Sep 18, 2013

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

I do beg your pardon?

There's an ever increasing correlation between having a knighthood and being a nonce.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Orange Devil posted:

I have a cultural inquiry. What is it with you Brits and having tits in your news (or "news")? No other country I know of has as much tits plastered all over such a socially acceptable and wide spread medium as a daily 'paper'. What's going on here, or am I just horribly sheltered about other countries' papers?

Some of the more, er, 'populist' papers like to run a softcore porn section, the most well known being The Sun's Page 3. A 'Page 3 Girl' is someone who regularly features in newspaper nude shoots.

As to why they do it, well, easy sales? I guess? I would imagine the logic is as crude as: "How get man buy newspaper? What man want? Man want tits! Man want excitement! Man not care for accuracy in story, journalistic integrity substitutable for volume. Man get tits and sensationalist news by buying newspaper! Man pleased with purchase, keep newspaper relevant in modern age of internet and news channels."

Essentially those newspapers are sort of the male-oriented equivalent of gossip rags for women, only instead of talking about soaps they talk about why immigrants are evil and why everything gives you cancer and why you should vote BNP and other stupid crap like that. Just as grounded in reality as the soaps, obviously, but appealing to the particular taste of the bloke in the pub stereotype.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Sep 18, 2013

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

OwlFancier posted:

Some of the more, er, 'populist' papers like to run a softcore porn section, the most well known being The Sun's Page 3. A 'Page 3 Girl' is someone who regularly features in newspaper nude shoots.

As to why they do it, well, easy sales? I guess? I would imagine the logic is as crude as: "How get man buy newspaper? What man want? Man want tits! Man want excitement! Man not care for accuracy in story, journalistic integrity substitutable for volume. Man get tits and sensationalist news by buying newspaper! Man pleased with purchase, keep newspaper relevant in modern age of internet and news channels."

Yes I know all this but presumably this holds true for all countries everywhere, and yet to my knowledge it's primarily British news that has a daily tits forecast.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Orange Devil posted:

Yes I know all this but presumably this holds true for all countries everywhere, and yet to my knowledge it's primarily British news that has a daily tits forecast.

*shrug*

Maybe we have a higher demographic of blokes in the pub?

Or possibly lower standards, I'm not sure.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Orange Devil posted:

Yes I know all this but presumably this holds true for all countries everywhere, and yet to my knowledge it's primarily British news that has a daily tits forecast.

Somehow it's become an institution. I mean the why isn't that hard to understand, it's soft porn in the newspaper for men to leer at, so it sells - and people resist any attempt to change it. It's not that unusual to see the pictures cut out and stuck on the wall in some workplaces, where there's no political correctness culture ruining everything. Honestly I think it's sort of an extension of the 'saucy seaside postcards'/Carry On thing which might also be a British phenomenon? It was always a sort of fresh-faced young smiling girl (sometimes 16 years old believe it or not) and some stupid oo-er cheeky blurb about how the woman has a certain job/hobby/interest so *related 'sexy' joke*, so it fits with that whole culture.

Of course even in 2013 it's hard to actually push this back and get systematic objectified nudity out of a major newspaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwpE9e_Rqkk
"haw haw! The very idea!"

(no idea why that's hosted on some UKIP guy's channel but hey)

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Jut posted:

There's an ever increasing correlation between having a knighthood and being a nonce.

I'm quite interested to hear more about this, or is this massive hyperbole?

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

I'm quite interested to hear more about this, or is this massive hyperbole?

What with all of the stuff about TV personalities getting nobbled for knobbing children, it does seem like noncery is a sort of affectation of the wealthy.

And, naturally, becoming extremely wealthy by the right sort of means is a shoe in to get you a knighthood.

I don't know if there's a causative relationship there but I wouldn't be surprised by a correlative one.

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

I'm quite interested to hear more about this, or is this massive hyperbole?

Look at Operation Yewtree (the thing kicked off by the discovery that Jimmy Savile OBE had been loving children (dead or alive) on a massive scale). A decent amount of the people arrested and charged have knighthoods.

Sri.Theo
Apr 16, 2008

Orange Devil posted:

Yes I know all this but presumably this holds true for all countries everywhere, and yet to my knowledge it's primarily British news that has a daily tits forecast.

Happens in Denmark too, although there its page 9 girls.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Orange Devil posted:

No other country I know of has as much tits plastered all over such a socially acceptable and wide spread medium as a daily 'paper'. What's going on here, or am I just horribly sheltered about other countries' papers?
Along with all the European countries listed earlier, there's Japan - and their equivalent of the Daily Sport (i.e. tits on EVERY page, and photos as close to full nude pornography as they can get without censure) is not only far more popular than the Sport, but you'll actually see people reading it on the train!

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

ookiimarukochan posted:

Along with all the European countries listed earlier, there's Japan - and their equivalent of the Daily Sport (i.e. tits on EVERY page, and photos as close to full nude pornography as they can get without censure) is not only far more popular than the Sport, but you'll actually see people reading it on the train!

Ahhh, The Sport. That takes me back, got me through my teenaged years, I once worked out it had 3 tits per page even when not including the adverts for the the porn lines at the back.

Ultimately it comes down to the UK still having a problem with sex that comes from the Victorian era. Holland/The Netherlands managed to get over that protestant nonsense a long time ago, probably the drugs.

Sex Vicar
Oct 11, 2007

I thought this was a swingers party...
First charges made under Operation Tuleta made against Sun Journalist for handling criminal property

Seems a small one to go for (And holding onto a phone you suspect is stolen and not handing it over to the police is all sorts of dumb, lets be fair) but I'd imagine they are building cases for the rest.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret
http://labourpress.tumblr.com/post/62985465439/ed-miliband-letter-to-lord-rothermere

And just when you thought they couldn't put their foot in it harder.

quote:

Ed Miliband MP, Leader of the Labour Party, has written to Lord Rothermere, the proprietor of the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday newspapers:

Dear Lord Rothermere,

Yesterday I spoke at a memorial event held at Guy’s Hospital in London for my uncle, Professor Harry Keen, a distinguished doctor who died earlier this year. It was an event in a room on the 29th floor of Guy’s Hospital which was attended only by family members, close friends and colleagues.

I was told by one of my relatives late yesterday evening that a reporter from the Mail on Sunday had found her way into the event uninvited. I also discovered that, once there, she approached members of my family seeking comments on the controversy over the Daily Mail’s description of my late father as someone who “hated Britain”.

My wider family, who are not in public life, feel understandably appalled and shocked that this can have happened.

The Editor of the Mail on Sunday has since confirmed to my office that a journalist from his newspaper did indeed attend the memorial uninvited with the intention of seeking information for publication this weekend.

Sending a reporter to my late uncle’s memorial crosses a line of common decency. I believe it a symptom of the culture and practices of both the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday.

There are many decent people working at those newspapers and I know that many of them will be disgusted by this latest episode. But they will also recognise that what has happened to my family has happened to many others.

I believe no purpose would be served by me complaining to the Press Complaints Commission because it is widely discredited.

Instead, I am writing to you as the owners of the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday because I believe it is long overdue that you reflect on the culture of your newspapers. You should conduct your own swift investigation into who was responsible at a senior level for this latest episode and also who is responsible for the culture and practices of these newspapers which jar so badly with the values of your readers.

There are bigger issues for the people of Britain in the midst of the worst cost of living crisis for a century than intrusion into the life of my family. But the reaction of many people to the Daily Mail’s attacks on my father this week demonstrates that the way your newspapers have behaved does not reflect the real character of our country.

It is now your responsibility to respond.


Ed Miliband

JoylessJester
Sep 13, 2012

That seems very obvious and overt pay back- near mafia levels. "You come after us we go after your family" I can't believe they thought they'd win a PR war by getting even more personal.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

JoylessJester posted:

That seems very obvious and overt pay back- near mafia levels. "You come after us we go after your family" I can't believe they thought they'd win a PR war by getting even more personal.

I saw some Mail spokesman claiming that Miliband is using his own family to attack the Mail, and how this is an awful thing to be doing. You couldn't make it up etc.

Sex Vicar
Oct 11, 2007

I thought this was a swingers party...
Movement again on the charter. News UK and Associated Press (Publishers of The Sun and the Mail, respectively) are rejecting the royal charter even with some amendments and refusing to sign up.

I suspect this thing is going to be a clusterfuck and not go anywhere.

Also Police Officer and his wife arrested as part of Operation Elveden this morning as well.

thehustler
Apr 17, 2004

I am very curious about this little crescendo
Leveson is in front of the DCMS right now! Guardian website has a stream.

dimebag dinkman
Feb 20, 2003

"Read my report." -Brian Leveson

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Couple of new pieces on my blog:
10 To Watch From The Home Affairs Select Committee
http://brown-moses-hackgate.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/express-investigations-what-wittamore.html

The trials and Daniel Morgan Panel are starting towards the end of the month, so expect a new thread, and lots more coverage from then on. It's been quite frustrating not being able to discuss a lot of stuff that's been going on because of reporting restrictions, for example the flurry of court appearances over the last 6 months as the lawyers try to pull various tricks, so it'll be good to actually have something to be able to write about. I've also met Alastair Morgan, brother of Daniel, who has been campaigning for a proper investigation into his brother's murder, and we've had some very long and interesting conversations. He seems happy with the panel, the people leading it are a solid bunch (details here), so hopefully it'll make good progress unraveling the tale. Again, frustratingly there's a lot of really interesting stuff I can't write about because of reporting restrictions, even detailing the background is difficult in light of arrests. You can read my pre-arrest article on the murder here, but it really only touches the surfaces, it's a 25 year network of police corruption, so there's a lot to find out.

Loonytoad Quack
Aug 24, 2004

High on Shatner's Bassoon
Just a reminder for the trials, everyone is innocent until proven guilty:

PiCroft
Jun 11, 2010

I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

Wait, is Rupe taking the piss out of his own papers' smear job on Jeffries?

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

That wasn't part of his original tweet (if only).

Loonytoad Quack
Aug 24, 2004

High on Shatner's Bassoon

PiCroft posted:

Wait, is Rupe taking the piss out of his own papers' smear job on Jeffries?

Yeah the tweet is from Rupert, someone else helpfully added the :ironicat: below it.

PiCroft
Jun 11, 2010

I'm sorry, did I break all your shit? I didn't know it was yours

Ah. That makes more sense. I hope someone tweets that to him.

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Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I felt a little human sympathy for Rupe, then I remembered this:

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