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Voting A. Let's not do this now. I don't want to pass out again. And I don't feel like attracting attention of monsters or demons. Deadly Ham Sandwich fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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I also highly advise against putting out our fire. We went through hell to get that y'all. Why put it out? We can always practice this somewhere else.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:03
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FoxTerrier posted:In that case, I'm super-extra voting Aw Hell No for practicing El magic we don't understand. By the beach. Under a hungry Ashera moon. seconding this, we've more than done enough to complete our task, let's get the hell out of dodge. Voting timeskip to when we're within sight of Zepath, unless something eventful happens on our journey back.
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Asherah, you were taught, is just as omnipotent and hungry under a full moon as all other times. Asherah being stronger under a full moon is a theory posted in the thread. Some rituals were timed to the moon, some were not.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:11
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Diogines posted:Asherah being stronger under a full moon is a theory posted in the thread. ...ah. Guess I'll leave my vote changed anyway. The ocean's edge is still a bad place to screw up. *edit* Sorry. Changed again. A Terrible Person fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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Oct 18, 2013 20:11
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Voting A. Overall if we're going to be experimenting with magic, I'd prefer for it to be in a controlled environment where we can prepare for as much as possible if things go south somehow. While we're in a reasonably comfortable situation right now, the possibility of being hit with mega-hunger and getting knocked out is still not a great one when we're trying to survive in the wild. And that's leaving aside the possibility of Asherah mucking things up, of course - full moon or no we're a wee bit too close to his territory for comfort.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:14
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Voting A because I suspect this has something to do with the plurality of votes and we just don't have it here.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:16
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Once again, voting A. There is no reason to do this; the benefit of finding out right now is zilch. Can't we just try to learn the secrets of it once we are safely back home? Maybe ask an expert about it, like Ishamal or *gasp* Bareen? Tudiya is likely to tell us again it is impossible for us to do - why not utilize our resources after the test is over to help us figure it out in a much safer manner? I just don't get the urgent need to do it right now when we already have fire and a drat good offerring in the pearls and are months from home and our only safety net is Divine Uncle Jorah and Snarls.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:22
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Diog are temple rites for El also carried out on the full moon? Atharian calendar was lunar it seems. Is Elisian calendar also lunar? Also, what exactly is 'moral agency' which apparently distinguishes adults from children in some way? A for me too. I, for my part, do not think Asherah is necessarily more powerful on a full moon. I do think a full moon is an occasion for observance. It is not a good time to be lying unconscious in the wilderness. We don't know much about any of this, but we do know that losing consciousness is a distinct possibility of succeeding with an invocation. It also seems to weaken us and we do not actually need a fire since we have one. It is therefore not a good use of resource on the full moon, though it was good to try and we should do so again. Even succeeding could put us in a bad, vulnerable spot at a time we might want to be in exactly the opposite position. That said, I am all for a moonlight swim. It is possible the sea bed will look very different in the moonlight. I am also for carrying out a somewhat more extensive rite on the altar under the moon. Sogol fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Oct 18, 2013 |
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Oct 18, 2013 20:29
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I want to practice magic, but it made us vulnerable before. It seems prudent to wait until we're in a safer place. Maybe Ishamal has some advice on the matter, our number one bro. A
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Oct 18, 2013 20:38
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FoxTerrier posted:In that case, I'm super-extra voting Aw Hell No for practicing El magic we don't understand. By the beach. Under a hungry Ashera moon. This.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:45
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C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. My theory: I think it works for Tudiya, not only because of his bloodline, but because he knows it will work. He ostensibly spent his whole childhood being told "Here is a list of cool poo poo that you can do because of your bloodline. It will happen because fire knows to show some respect to you." Basically, he speaks with El-given authority that he KNOWS he has. Whether he was actually given that authority or not doesn't matter, he KNOWS he was and there is not a single iota of doubt in his mind, so he's able to out-will it. We, on the other hand, are riddled with doubt and the belief that what we're trying is stupid, even as we continue to do it in the hopes that we CAN do it.
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Oct 18, 2013 20:48
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FoxTerrier posted:In that case, I'm super-extra voting Aw Hell No for practicing El magic we don't understand. By the beach. Under a hungry Ashera moon. A-yup.
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Oct 18, 2013 21:28
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Voting this. We can do it cause we know we can do it. Although there may be a certain amount of need in there too.
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Oct 18, 2013 21:32
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. This. And try to breathe out this time Enkidel, will you?
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Oct 18, 2013 21:44
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A, and let's sleep in a tree tonight. I have a bad feeling about a full moon. Keep the fire going and sleep a little ways away so we can see anybody or anything that drops by.
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Oct 18, 2013 22:17
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Alternate theory C. This fire will work if El wants it to. Tudiya did not making fire happen, he asked for El to make fire happen.
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Oct 18, 2013 22:50
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A wrong time and place
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Oct 19, 2013 00:18
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Maybe if we are going to go for something like Vayahi Or we should focus on being receptive to a vision without having to violently knock ourselves unconscious. Also, personally I don't want us to be king. Seems like a sucky job. Equally I don't want us to be wealthy. Comes with all sorts of encumbrance. Essentially I do not want us to become a domestic installation in Zepath. Surviving to encounter any such questions is really the first order at the moment though. Sogol fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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Oct 19, 2013 00:24
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Voting this. Don't be stupid, goons. We got knocked out last time because we hit our head. We have no reason to believe Asherah is any more dangerous now than he always is. We should practice this now because we may need it at short notice later. There's a good chance that if we try to do this at home we'll be forced to stop because it offends some of the incredibly varied sensibilities around there.
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Oct 19, 2013 01:31
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Eh fine, changing vote from A to this. I don't buy any of the A arguments honestly.
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Oct 19, 2013 01:36
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Sure. This
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Oct 19, 2013 02:11
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dyzzy posted:Eh fine, changing vote from A to this. I don't buy any of the A arguments honestly. No real reason to do it now, rather than later in secure surroundings with people who might help or have insight, and getting knocked out accidentally for half a day is, at best, wasteful and at worst lethal?
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Oct 19, 2013 02:19
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A, play wizard on another night.
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Oct 19, 2013 02:32
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I'm voting C but I think that we shouldn't say "Vayahi Or". I think we're focusing too much on the words, rather than the action itself. Just have total focus on the task and execute it. Pick up the sticks and know that they will ignite. We have never had any ability to project our words as Tudiya can, but we seem to be able to feel the power of words and almost touch them. I think we may have a potentially greater ability to harness or at least manipulate the power of others. Simply saying the words is not enough though.
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Oct 19, 2013 02:33
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Theglavwen posted:No real reason to do it now, rather than later in secure surroundings with people who might help or have insight, and getting knocked out accidentally for half a day is, at best, wasteful and at worst lethal? I'm not sure anyone in Zepath would be both capable and willing to teach us. Also, this time we're on a nice and soft beach.
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Oct 19, 2013 02:39
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If we're worried about people in Zepath trying to stop us, we can try setting up an isolated shanty/cave lab in the outskirts of Zepath where it should still be mostly safe from monsters. In said lab we can prepare plenty of food/drink/pillows in case of possible side effects if we get knocked out again, plenty of wood to experiment with, and perhaps above all we can lock the door or else set up some kind of defensive barrier. Currently, we are in a monster-infested wild living more or less hand-to-mouth on what we can find for ourselves. Since it's about afternoon, odds are if we get knocked out again we'll wake up at night. Even supposing we are successful at this, and even supposing that Asherah doesn't give a drat about it, do we really want to be unconscious next to a blazing fire out in the open (we're not setting this fire from within our lean-to, I'm presuming) only to wake up with a big ol' bout of HUNGER and then go hunting in the middle of the night? It's not just the hunger. It's not just the fact that we might get knocked out. It's not just Asherah. It's also the giant lizards and whatnot poking around the area who might decide that some unconscious human lying around where everyone can see him might make for a tasty snack.
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Oct 19, 2013 04:07
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Diogines posted:You... We Vayahi Or'd because El smiled upon us. We didn't work magic, we said a prayer, and El listened, because we NEEDED it. We don't NEED it right now, and we're not tight like Tudiya is with El.
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Oct 19, 2013 04:10
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Next update in the morning. You can expect a second one later in the day tomorrow.
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Oct 19, 2013 05:07
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. drat the torpedoes, full speed ahead. (We probably need close to 80% votes for this to work. Unanimity)
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Oct 19, 2013 05:08
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. I like this. I'm voting this.
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Oct 19, 2013 07:06
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Ok, changing my vote to this. I like it. I forgot about my policy to generally do interesting things versus lame babby things.
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Oct 19, 2013 07:41
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. Fine fine I'll change my vote to THIS in the interests of testing unanimity theory.
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Oct 19, 2013 07:51
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It's going to work because it worked before, the reason it isn't working is because we have doubt, because we think it shouldn't work. But we KNOW it will work because it works. So just do it.
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Oct 19, 2013 08:22
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the_steve posted:C - Sheer force of will/authority. This Vayahi WILL Or because we El-damned told it to. I'll join the bandwagon and vote this.
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Oct 19, 2013 08:27
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A. Give up and go back to your normal routine.
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Oct 19, 2013 10:01
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Changing to C.
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Oct 19, 2013 10:02
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I'm not sure if the swing vote is going to help much. For reference, the vote when we actually did magic: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjGhkGMc8GAwdDd1Qzk0X1dvSUg0eHlGSVpFU2RvN2c&usp=sharing#gid=0 20/24 votes were for doing the fire. What we were thinking was a resounding "Can't let snarls down" at 10, "I WILL make fire" at 7. Rest was scattered gently caress YOU I WANT FIRE, ELLLL. Only 1 vote out of 29 was doubting ourselves. Other reference: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550307&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=198#post420431486 Also the vote before that also had a determination check. We voted for "It might work" as the majority, rest of the vote was spread out over It will work and other stuff like that. We also prayed to El and believed that it would help. We also voted and said we want it to work because we (enkidel) are cold. Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 19, 2013 |
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Oct 19, 2013 11:50
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I had intended to update about now, but since people are changing their votes and still debating, I will leave voting open a bit longer.
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I'm voting A. Hey guys, what if we aren't a muscle wizard... 
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