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Lum
Aug 13, 2003

Crowley posted:

They're called cloverleaf? Over here it's called a Mickey Mouse plug.

"That stupid plug that only laptops use"

I think it's actually a 3 pin variant of a Telefunken (aka that stupid plug that tape recorders used in the 80s) but nobody will know what you mean if you call it that.

The existence of that plug is poo poo that pisses me off. Would it really be such a problem to use a kettle lead like everything else.

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nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Dilbert As gently caress posted:

:)"Dilbert can you teach me unix?"
:v: "yeah okay!"
:( "ughh can we skip to the GUI?!?!? I can't remember all these commands!"

I love the fact I was told in my interview "well we don't have a large unix need..."

However I just helped one of our largest customers solve some poo poo on some +10 year old unix system.

I question myself as to why many people in their 30's just decide to give up learning and try to go with the flow...

For me, its more about being selective about what I learn, due to being a technohipster. I don't WANT to learn windows, for instance, because I don't want to end up working with it anymore. I used to be a windows/exchange guy and I never liked it very much.

Also, my excuse is i'm trying to get really good at just a few things, instead of just being average at many. NOt sure which is better, but getting better in unixy things is more fun for me right now, so...

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Lum posted:

"That stupid plug that only laptops use"

I think it's actually a 3 pin variant of a Telefunken (aka that stupid plug that tape recorders used in the 80s) but nobody will know what you mean if you call it that.

The existence of that plug is poo poo that pisses me off. Would it really be such a problem to use a kettle lead like everything else.

Today I learned that there's actually a name for these cable leads (the cloverleaf/mickeymouse and the kettle.)

I still dont know wtf a telefunken cable is. (Is it a variant of XLR cable, or is that just what you brits call XLR cables?)

dorkanoid
Dec 21, 2004

nitrogen posted:

Today I learned that there's actually a name for these cable leads (the cloverleaf/mickeymouse and the kettle.)

I still dont know wtf a telefunken cable is. (Is it a variant of XLR cable, or is that just what you brits call XLR cables?)

I think it's like the "clover" cable, but with two leads, like most older radios/stereos use

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

nitrogen posted:

I still dont know wtf a telefunken cable is. (Is it a variant of XLR cable, or is that just what you brits call XLR cables?)

This is a telefunken lead:



Still used today by some set-top boxes etc.

I always assumed the laptop one was the 3-pin version of it.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I've always called that a figure-8

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

Caged posted:

I've always called that a figure-8

"Typewriter" over here.

Addendum: If you snip the plastic between the leads that plug will double as an emergency Mickey-Mouse plug

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?
Ooh, ok, an IEC 60320 C7 lead.

After reading this, I picked this article out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320

This is why i love wikipedia. You know there's some sperglord out there who has a power cable museum in his basement. This page is his place to shine, and we all get to benefit.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Wow, and i was certain I would get shot down for the 'AC/DC Brick' explanation.

I used to work for an electronics store back when you could walk in and say 'I want this resistor and these caps' and you would get it without waiting for postage. The manager of that shop is probably the closest to a powercable sperglord.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Humphreys posted:

I've always been of the opinion that a *nix GUI is just there as a pretty way to open the CLI :smugbert:


drat straight. I have three monitors at work. All three have CLI's open with gnome-terminal in gnome-shell. (Gnome Shell > KDE) :smug:

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

nitrogen posted:

Ooh, ok, an IEC 60320 C7 lead.

After reading this, I picked this article out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60320

This is why i love wikipedia. You know there's some sperglord out there who has a power cable museum in his basement. This page is his place to shine, and we all get to benefit.

Today I learnt that what I call a 'kettle lead' isn't in fact, suitable for kettles.

And from now on, I shall be 'that guy' who corrects people when they misuse the term.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

spog posted:

Today I learnt that what I call a 'kettle lead' isn't in fact, suitable for kettles.

And from now on, I shall be 'that guy' who corrects people when they misuse the term.

I've known that for some time, but I like the pure Britishness of referring to a lead after a tea-making implement so much, that I not only let it slide, but endorse this misuse.

I don't mind if someone says "oh, but did you know that real kettle leads have a notch (xbox 360 PSU uses one of these too!)" then we can go back to calling it a kettle lead.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
Grrr, I am once again rather steamed at my boss at my newish job(started here in May).

We apparently have to work weekends if we are coming up against a deadline and have stuff that isn't done. Annoying, but fine, whatever.

Apparently even if we don't have any work that needs done we are still supposed to call in to the 10am meetings on Saturday and Sunday. Which is slightly inconvenient for me because I have a sleeping disorder which causes me to gradually get more and more sleep deprived as the week goes on and the weekend is the only time i have to catch up on sleep, so getting up for 10am conference calls is slightly inconvenient, and detrimental to my work the following week(and my sanity).

I am now in trouble because I wasn't on the conference calls for the meetings this morning, which he sent out the email about at 8pm Friday. You know, hours after work hours are over. I refuse to allow my personal cell phone to be hooked up to an enterprise exchange server(give the company I work for permission to wipe my phone? Not going to happen), and even checking the webmail here is a pain in the butt(have to use an RSA token code to sign in to the webmail).

I think it is time to :yotj: again already.

Paladine_PSoT
Jan 2, 2010

If you have a problem Yo, I'll solve it

Crowley posted:

They're called cloverleaf? Over here it's called a Mickey Mouse plug.

If you call it that over here, Disney sues.

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot

Urit posted:

I'm looking at you, Google search and the Backspace key to go back a page. No, I don't want to backspace my perfectly good search query. It's not just focus stealing either - click on the whitespace in the page to take focus off the entry box, then hit backspace. Focus will jump to the search box.

I know I'm pretty late on this but how long is it going to take programmers to start making their programs so that if you launch one and then switch to a different program, the new app doesn't come blowing up into your face like it's important or something? If I click out of the app while it's loading, I don't want it to reappear when I switch tabs.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

HalloKitty posted:

I've known that for some time, but I like the pure Britishness of referring to a lead after a tea-making implement so much, that I not only let it slide, but endorse this misuse.

If you google image search for kettle lead. You have to scroll down a bit before you even find a picture of an actual kettle lead.

quote:

I don't mind if someone says "oh, but did you know that real kettle leads have a notch (xbox 360 PSU uses one of these too!)" then we can go back to calling it a kettle lead.

There is a certain beauty that the 1st gen XBox 360, of all devices, is the one that uses the high temperature version of the lead!

Khisanth Magus posted:

Apparently even if we don't have any work that needs done we are still supposed to call in to the 10am meetings on Saturday and Sunday. Which is slightly inconvenient for me because I have a sleeping disorder which causes me to gradually get more and more sleep deprived as the week goes on and the weekend is the only time i have to catch up on sleep, so getting up for 10am conference calls is slightly inconvenient, and detrimental to my work the following week(and my sanity).

I have that one, but the cause for my current lost sanity isn't a 10am conference call, it's that my neighbour (who is thankfully moving out soon) put a motherfucking piano against the other side of my bedroom wall, and their child who I've never seen but I can only assume they have 10 thumbs, gets piano lessons at 8AM on a Saturday, and then around lunch time it's apparently the 10 thumbed family singalong that includes an acoustic guitar and some other instruments that I can't identify but appear to have been made from feline vocal chords.

I'm going to load drum loop in VirtualDJ, sync the speed to match their playing and pretend it's the Skrillex remix of Country Road, or whatever the hell it is they're trying to play this time.

Lum fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 21, 2013

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Lum posted:

I have that one, but the cause for my current lost sanity isn't a 10am conference call, it's that my neighbour (who is thankfully moving out soon) put a motherfucking piano against the other side of my bedroom wall, and their child who I've never seen but I can only assume they have 10 thumbs, gets piano lessons at 8AM on a Saturday, and then around lunch time it's apparently the 10 thumbed family singalong that includes an acoustic guitar and some other instruments that I can't identify but appear to have been made from feline vocal chords.

I'm going to load drum loop in VirtualDJ, sync the speed to match their playing and pretend it's the Skrillex remix of Country Road, or whatever the hell it is they're trying to play this time.

Holy crap, that is ultra ignorant of them. I would load up angerfist, put the sub on the wall and the speakers facing their wall and put that poo poo on max volume. Bonus points if you put something like maniac killer on there, that will probably drive them to either A) go crazy or B) move out


v--- I assume, from previous postings, that Lum is a rational individual and would go a normal route prior to going headlong into something that will likely make the neighbors rage. I was just giving an alternative for amusement.

MF_James fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Oct 21, 2013

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

MF_James posted:

Holy crap, that is ultra ignorant of them. I would load up angerfist, put the sub on the wall and the speakers facing their wall and put that poo poo on max volume. Bonus points if you put something like maniac killer on there, that will probably drive them to either A) go crazy or B) move out

Or you could just talk to them like normal human beings do?

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

ratbert90 posted:

Or you could just talk to them like normal human beings do?

Its better to do what our former downstairs neighbors did whenever we made the slightest noise in our condo: leave passive aggressive notes. Including threatening to call the police.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

MF_James posted:

Holy crap, that is ultra ignorant of them. I would load up angerfist, put the sub on the wall and the speakers facing their wall and put that poo poo on max volume. Bonus points if you put something like maniac killer on there, that will probably drive them to either A) go crazy or B) move out

They're moving out shortly anyway, only moved in here for a few month as their house got flooded, which is why I've decided not to be too much of a dick about it. The houses here have a really weird layout so they probably don't even know it's my bedroom.

One of these days I'll actually listen to Angerfist. Only thing I really know about them is people who can't read more than one word keep requesting them when I'm doing a happy hardcore set. (still sort of related to the topic, since my sets are online only)

Tigern
Sep 6, 2012

possibly tiger
Grimey Drawer

the bravest snowball posted:

Yeah, I can't believe how many idiots can't type "fastsupport.com" then hit enter. More often than not they end up typing the URL into the search box or into the page they're viewing and they end up clicking some advertisement.

Also, when GoToAssist goes to launch and the user says, "Click yes or run when prompted, what does that mean?"

6 pages ago, I know, but I am catching up on this thread. Just had to say that there are a lot of people who cant open website or even locate the browser without detailed instructions. Working ISP tech support really opens your eyes to how computer illiterate *most* pepple are. I must explain where the start menu is located several times per day.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Lum posted:

They're moving out shortly anyway, only moved in here for a few month as their house got flooded, which is why I've decided not to be too much of a dick about it. The houses here have a really weird layout so they probably don't even know it's my bedroom.

One of these days I'll actually listen to Angerfist. Only thing I really know about them is people who can't read more than one word keep requesting them when I'm doing a happy hardcore set. (still sort of related to the topic, since my sets are online only)

Angerfist is good if you like extreme hardcore stuff, I used to listen to them a bit, it's not really a get up and dance type of music for a club though. He was rated #34 on the top 100 DJ list which is kind of weird considering I didn't think stuff that hardcore was popular. Honestly I'd recommend listening just to say you've done it, I recommend Maniac Killa, Raise Your Fist, and Your World Will Shiver (I think this is the song I'm thinking of). Also the korsakoff angerfist song Unleash the Beast is awesome. Korsakoff in general is pretty good hardcore


v--Lum is a DJ!

MF_James fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Oct 21, 2013

Trastion
Jul 24, 2003
The one and only.

Lum posted:

when I'm doing a happy hardcore set. (still sort of related to the topic, since my sets are online only)

I think you need to explain this. :)

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

MF_James posted:

v--Lum is a DJ!

Like God! :v:

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

rolleyes posted:

Like God! :v:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlL4JwFx8Ck&t=88s


And since this is nicely off topic. I'm just going to add, I relayed that description of the neighbours to my girlfriend as I was rather proud of it, and she pointed out that they haven't actually done the piano thing for a couple of weeks now.

That made me curious, so I started trying to think of which event caused them to stop, took me a while but..

The best thing to stop noisy family get togethers next to your bedroom is, apparently, very loud mid-afternoon lesbian sex.

Good luck explaining that to your kid, fuckers.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Lum posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlL4JwFx8Ck&t=88s


And since this is nicely off topic. I'm just going to add, I relayed that description of the neighbours to my girlfriend as I was rather proud of it, and she pointed out that they haven't actually done the piano thing for a couple of weeks now.

That made me curious, so I started trying to think of which event caused them to stop, took me a while but..

The best thing to stop noisy family get togethers next to your bedroom is, apparently, very loud mid-afternoon lesbian sex.

Good luck explaining that to your kid, fuckers.

That is an awesome way to stop that.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

Trastion posted:

I think you need to explain this. :)

One of my hobbies is being a DJ. I actually mix sets live using a little USB MIDI controller and some software. I usually get about 20-30 listeners, including a few regulars, but it's mostly a bit of fun. Here's one of my sets.

Since it's live and advertised as being a specific genre, that's what I do. In this case happy harccore which is mostly from the 90s, has speeds of 165-195bpm and tends to contain pianos, cheesy uplifting vocals and the good old 909 kick drum.

Rather different to modern hardcore, such as the Angerfist stuff described above, so it does my head in when some gently caress asks for Angerfist.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Lum posted:

One of my hobbies is being a DJ. I actually mix sets live using a little USB MIDI controller and some software. I usually get about 20-30 listeners, including a few regulars, but it's mostly a bit of fun. Here's one of my sets.

Since it's live and advertised as being a specific genre, that's what I do. In this case happy harccore which is mostly from the 90s, has speeds of 165-195bpm and tends to contain pianos, cheesy uplifting vocals and the good old 909 kick drum.

Rather different to modern hardcore, such as the Angerfist stuff described above, so it does my head in when some gently caress asks for Angerfist.

Angerfist isn't happy hardcore, it's just hardcore, completely different ebb and flow to the music. Although hardcore has a wild variation even within itself, Angerfist is some of the more hardcore stuff you can find, but then you get stuff that people like Caffeine mix that is hardcore, but much lighter by comparison.

Sufficiently off-topic at this point, where's the bitching?

I could do some bitching, my manager asked me to take over a project for 2 weeks while a co-worker is on paternity leave, full term for his baby was a week and a half ago. Get the gently caress out of the uterus already kid, I've got a second job I have to work with as well and this poo poo is changing my available hours! Last time I do a favor for a future father, drat kid is causing problems already!

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

MF_James posted:

Angerfist isn't happy hardcore, it's just hardcore, completely different ebb and flow to the music. Although hardcore has a wild variation even within itself, Angerfist is some of the more hardcore stuff you can find, but then you get stuff that people like Caffeine mix that is hardcore, but much lighter by comparison.

That was exactly my point.

Because when I advertise the event as being happy hardcore, and then half way through some gently caress sends me a PM asking me to play Angerfist, and then throws a fit when I tell them that even if I did have the song it wouldn't fit with this set anyway.

It'd be like if I was playing at a place that did classic rock, and someone wanted Cradle of Filth, or something like that.

Lum fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 22, 2013

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Pissing me off currently are technical phone interviews. Not being able to get any visual feedback from the interviewer as to whether you are headed down the right path or not is massively off-putting. Hopefully everyone was as poo poo as me so the playing field is levelled a bit.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
Lum how does one listen to your sessions?

Also why is it a priority issue when the default website isnt intranet? MD. calls to complain the default ms site opens, when I tell him where the Internet Options are, he doesnt find it. But, he was fairly friendly and called back while I was still at lunch to tell me that he found it, so not a total loss :unsmith:

DGK2000
May 3, 2007

Hotel Soap is super proud of his little perfumed balls that never get dirty or stinky
Nothing has pissed me off more at this job than rolling into a site to figure out the network problem, then realize nobody ever bothered documenting a single loving thing. Leading to multiple hours just figuring out what goes where, as I'm a one man show supporting 13 sites with varying amounts of computers. gently caress, at least write a number on a loving cable.

Edit- gently caress printers.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

SEKCobra posted:

Lum how does one listen to your sessions?

Three ways:

1) Point your favourite shoutcast client (VLC or WinAMP seem to be best) at http://dj.lum.co.uk:8000
2) If you use SecondLife, search for Club Zapp and come visit. (and don't judge, it gets me an audience ok?)
3) From time to time I put them on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/DeejayLum/videos

I imagine most goons would go for the first one.

Times are

Wednesday 8-10AM PDT - Oldskool
Friday 4-6AM PDT - Happy Hardcore

Genres subject to change depending on what kind of mood I'm in. Times given in PDT since I'm streaming into SL.

I guess I should stop this derail now though :)


vvvvvv I get comments like that a lot when I do a set :)

Lum fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Oct 22, 2013

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast
Ahh, Happy Hardcore. 90s flooding back.

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

HalloKitty posted:

Ahh, Happy Hardcore. 90s flooding back.

quite.

I dug out my little collection of MOD, XM and S3M files last night and had a blast with more-or-less well made tracks from yestermillenium. :3:

Edit: Assembly '93 Aww yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv7mHTf0nA

Crowley fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 22, 2013

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

A voicemail came in, to my mobile phone.

Context: The product I support is always sold to one specific department at each of my customers, and in all but a few cases it always has the exact same name, lets call it the Muppet department for now.

Voicemail:

"Oh hi it's John from Muppets, everything is hosed we need you right now, call me back on 6437"

He then later complained that I never called back.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Lum posted:

That was exactly my point.

Because when I advertise the event as being happy hardcore, and then half way through some gently caress sends me a PM asking me to play Angerfist, and then throws a fit when I tell them that even if I did have the song it wouldn't fit with this set anyway.

It'd be like if I was playing at a place that did classic rock, and someone wanted Cradle of Filth, or something like that.

Here's a song for those fuckers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvhAPs38RA

Came in today at 0530 to deal with someone in one of our european datacenters. She called in sick today. :argh:

Also, Cisco UCS. A theoretically great product that has tons of little nicks and burrs that really piss me off right about now.

EDIT:

quote:

"Oh hi it's John from Muppets, everything is hosed we need you right now, call me back on 6437"


We have about seven different prefixes for phones in this company, and thats just for the folks I deal with. I constantly get "Call me back at 44675"

Which wouldn't be too bad if our global address list worked. IT totally hosed our GAL so about 2/3 of the folks in the company we can't see. so I have no idea what this guy's real number is.

nitrogen fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Oct 22, 2013

Lum
Aug 13, 2003

^^^^ Thing is, I do do requests if they're appropriate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXzTFv80E1A


A conversation on IRC (non-goon channel) has reminded me of one fucker I used to have to work with.

We were sharing an office with another division, this guy was the manager, and therefore also the office manager. I'll call him Fred. Our team consists of boss who never turns up and 5 devs, including me. I was also responsible for local servers. Fred never showed up except for meetings every couple of weeks.

So Fred used to go apeshit from time to time about dirty dishes left in the office. The culprits wern't us but the senior managers he was bringing in for his meetings. Eventually he got so fed up with "us" not cleaning the dishes that he removed all except for one fork, spoon, plate etc. and bring them in for his meetings.

This didn't solve the problem, and he blamed us for using them on the one day they were available.

Specifically he blamed me, and one day confronted me in the server room, where I'd borrowed one of the devs to help me rack some stuff, but right now he was behind the rack out of sight. Conversation went something like:

:clint: - Lum, you need to clean up your dirty dishes right now
:j:    - Uhh what? I'm a bit busy here, why do I have to clean up your mess anyway?
:clint: - It's not my mess, I know it's you, you're always leaving the place a mess!
:j:    - What do you mean?
:clint: - You're always overloading the bin (as in trash) with chip papers (as in the wrapping on British fish&chips) and Starbucks cups!
:j:    - :aaa: Wait what, that doesn't even make sense!

At which point the other dev chimes in from behind the rack.

:v:    - Yeah Lum, get back in the kitchen and go and wash your dirty chip papers and disposable cups so someone else can use them.

I just burst out laughing at that, and a few seconds later the logic finally dawns on him (or perhaps the fact that the whole conversation was witnessed) and he storms out. When we finished the job it was noticed that the dishes had disappeared again.

Lum fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Oct 22, 2013

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Not pissing me off:

:yotj:

Had the final panel interview today and it went excellent. Started with a tour of the control center detailing who does what, who is who, what is what, where you sit, etc etc. Pretty much like a first day on the job.

Then I was taken into a conference room where I was sat in front of 5 people, one of which I knew from previous rounds of interviews and another which is actually a friends father (whom incidentally will be training me if I get the job i discovered) - I knew he worked at this company but didn't know what he did specifically.

Some of the questions were the irritating ones like "tell us how you have innovated under pressure and blah blah blah?" type questions. I was halfway through answering and was stopped by a person on the panel whom I have never met and he announced to everyone else a number of projects I have worked on at current place of employment for clients which are mutual clients to YOTJ company.

That fellow had definitely been looking into what I do. We don't advertise AT ALL, most of my projects are confidential/internal and never known by other companies, my current place of employment isn't on my references, so I'm guessing some industry word of mouth perhaps? Even friends dad doesn't know the details.

Lots of wows and aaahhs, the others seemed impressed. At the end everyone was joking and laughing. Regular banter, not corporate buzz words and crap. The panel were NOT HR either - the final round applicants are chosen by people I will be directly working with. Yay!

Happy Happy Joy Joy!

Pissing me off:

First speeding ticket in 5 years on the way home to have a celebratory beer.

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wintermuteCF
Dec 9, 2006

LIEK HAI2U!

Humphreys posted:

First speeding ticket in 5 years on the way home to have a celebratory beer.

Better on the way to the beer than after you've had the beer. Because the only thing better than a celebratory beer is a celebratory DUI :v:

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