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Agreed posted:The article uses a factory overclocked GTX 780, too - with the current WHQL driver, my GTX 780 is back up to 1176MHz (seriously, what the hell is up with driver versions changing the overclock's stable bin, that's just goofy), and in synthetic benches it seems like GK110 has a slight clock for clock advantage over AMD's newest GCN chip. OcUK ran some synthetic benches showing the reverse to be true, a 1200mhz 290X beating a 1310mhz 780 HOF: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=25171654&postcount=70, http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18551534 (scroll down a bunch).
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So some report mediocre scaling, some report excellent scaling. I wonder what the difference is. Kind of funny that until like 12 hours ago the situation was swapped, but now nVidia is the one blue-balling us with a lack of info on price drops for current cards and what, exactly, the GTX 780Ti will be. We're back to a sort of familiar cadence, in a sense; Fermi ran long before AMD released Tahiti and cornered the high performance market, the difference this time is that nVidia actually has a competitive card thanks to GK110 getting into the consumer market. It maintains performance competition, although if R9 290X can scale very well also and has overclocking headroom then they'll still be at a disadvantage when it comes to the price:performance sweet spot, unless they have more room to move down price than I'd suspect. Meanwhile Maxwell is scheduled for Q1 2014. Frankly they're not in a bad spot compared to the launch of Tahiti, provided they're willing to do the necessary price drops to compete in the sane budget regions and can offer a respectable value proposition beyond the current gaming bundle (it's good, but it's not "$100 less and performs better" good). I think it is meaningful that unlike the Fermi<--->Tahiti situation, they aren't caught flat footed without a competitive card; provided they respond appropriately and lower prices, they're still very much in the high-end game, they just have to make some moves to stay there. Unrelated to the big picture discussion going on, here's an oddity I recently noticed when doing some benching of my own - I previously stated that my card was variously stable at two values separated by more than one boost bin; that's something that has apparently been corrected with the recently released WHQL driver, for my system on Windows 7 64-bit Professional, and now with further testing it's stable at 1163MHz. Anyone else updating from previous cert'd or beta drivers might want to redo their overclock as well, it seems something's changed a bit in terms of driver boost bin behavior. Hooray I got an extra 20ishMHz over the last driver/boooo give it long enough and it (gracefully, at least) crashes out at the higher 1176MHz that sometimes worked with older drivers. Check your overclocks, nVidia users running the most recent WHQL drivers from the 21st.
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90c is awfully hot but I'm curious to see how much terrible thermal paste is on the 290x reference coolers. Who's voiding their warranty and replacing the paste?
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Agreed posted:So some report mediocre scaling, some report excellent scaling. I wonder what the difference is. Gk110 is not consumer It costs more than most peoples entire machines 780ti is also way out of most peoples price ranges and the only reason I would consider gk110 is the in crippled dp dp performance where the charts show the Titan clearly above everything else The difference in other cases is marginal and probably not even significant
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Malcolm XML posted:Gk110 is not consumer Call it consumer, call it enthusiast - by what seems to be your definition R9 290X isn't consumer, either. It's a bit arbitrary. My definition is what the product is marketed as and whether it runs off of the consumer driver package or the enterprise software support system. Titan's prosumer, but that's been the case since launch. The rest is semantics, just up to what you're willing to pay. Yeah, the number of people using the top-end graphics cards very well may be a rounding error away from zero compared to the number of people using products in the $150-$250 price range, but they're still made for consumption by non-professionals for non-professional tasks.
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Agreed posted:Here's an article from TweakTown focusing on overclocking and it's about what I expected - low overclocking headroom on the R9 290X (we'll see if that holds or not once non-reference models start showing up and tools allow for more adjustment) From what I read about the new Powertune in the HardOCP review, overclocking this card with the regular reference cooler is completely pointless. The card dissipates up to 300W (three hundred watts) of heat and dynamically adjusts the frequencies to meet a preset power/temperature envelope, which means it actually clocks down to 800 Mhz while running moderately intensive games to stay below 95°C. I wonder how far the GPU would go with water-cooling, probably very high. On a different note, some german sites suggest that the GPU is already somewhat bandwidth-limited at the default 1 Ghz. Or the architecture just scales well with memory bandwidth. http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/amd-radeon-r9-290x-im-test/15/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFZ39nQ_k90 eames fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Oct 24, 2013 |
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Tab8715 posted:90c is awfully hot but I'm curious to see how much terrible thermal paste is on the 290x reference coolers. Who's voiding their warranty and replacing the paste? HIS and XFX don't void your warranty  Guess which brand I'm buying and putting a waterblock on as soon as they come back in stock The 290x really starts to shine in high resolutions, and running triple 1440 is higher than a 4k monitor, so I need 2 of these yesterday. Should have stayed up f5'ing newegg last night I guess.
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Need to look at AMD's stock over the course of the last two and the next two weeks, they took a pounding but now it seems like a bad presentation and a poor marketing strategy was pretty unnecessary when all they had to fuckin' do was go "$550." Hype went from ehhhhh to GOTTA HAVE THAT poo poo overnight, literally 
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Oct 24, 2013 20:50
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Is Newegg the only place with 290s?
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Tab8715 posted:Is Newegg the only place with 290s? If I could buy one right now I probably would.
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Republicans posted:If I could buy one right now I probably would. Welp, that was a fun launch day? No cards are to be found at all anywhere. 
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Tab8715 posted:Welp, that was a fun launch day? No cards are to be found at all anywhere. I tried getting a GTX 680 on launch day and had to wait a few weeks to get one from EVGA. It is annoying, but halo card launches are usually pretty slim pickings.
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Agreed posted:Need to look at AMD's stock over the course of the last two and the next two weeks, they took a pounding but now it seems like a bad presentation and a poor marketing strategy was pretty unnecessary when all they had to fuckin' do was go "$550."
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Tab8715 posted:Welp, that was a fun launch day? No cards are to be found at all anywhere.
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When can we expect some info in the plain jane 290? Yeah I'm probably gonna be on 1080p for the foreseeable future but before I settle on a 280x since you can actually buy some of those I'd like to know what's coming. Especially if I can get it before BF4 launches.
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SourKraut posted:But it wasn't one-time? They've done it in the past with the Titan, the 7990, the 280X and now the 290X that come to mind. Now I just may be ignorant and perhaps they're contractually obligated to have *something* up when the embargo lifts, but if not, I feel like it'd be better for them to simply hold off on putting anything up until the entire review is ready. Magic Underwear posted:Did you read their 290X review? None of the benchmarks had analysis, and most of the other pages just said "[work in progress]". It isn't just one incident.
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Picked up an MSI R9 290X along with an i7-4770k, Asus Sabertooth Z87 board, and 16GB Corsair DDR3 on newegg earlier today. I'll be upgrading from a Core 2 Quad Q6600 based system I've been using since early 2007, so this should be a massive upgrade. The incredible performance for the price and extremely high praise the 290X has received from all of the tech sites finally convinced me that maybe it was time to put my almost 7 year old system out to pasture. Also, the new consoles are just around the corner and it would be embarrassing if consoles are faster than my gaming PC.
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Republicans posted:When can we expect some info in the plain jane 290? NDA is over on the 30th.
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Cmdrmonkey posted:Picked up an MSI R9 290X along with an i7-4770k, Asus Sabertooth Z87 board, and 16GB Corsair DDR3 on newegg earlier today. I'll be upgrading from a Core 2 Quad Q6600 based system I've been using since early 2007, so this should be a massive upgrade. The incredible performance for the price and extremely high praise the 290X has received from all of the tech sites finally convinced me that maybe it was time to put my almost 7 year old system out to pasture. Also, the new consoles are just around the corner and it would be embarrassing if consoles are faster than my gaming PC.
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I haven't unfortunately. I'm still using a GTX 460 from 2010 that replaced an 8800 GTS. The next gen consoles are a good deal faster than a GTX 460. I believe the GPU in the PS4 is roughly on par with a Radeon 7850. Oh well, I'll be all caught up hardware-wise after this upgrade. And the 290X is so far beyond what the consoles will be running I can sleep easy knowing that future games will run fine. 290X is to the PS4 what the 8800GTX was to the PS3 essentially. Dick Fagballzson fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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Alereon posted:It just seems ridiculous to me that you're complaining that Anandtech doesn't always have a complete article ready when the NDA lifts because they're taking the time to produce some of the best coverage in the industry. Go look at what HardOCP posted and compare that to the Anandtech review, do you see why Anandtech's coverage takes longer? Also, they do have excellent coverage of the detailed architectural information of the products, but it's not useful if it's just a [work in progress]. You would not see me complain about their review being posted later on the NDA day, or a day or few later. It's just like their (always excellent) Apple reviews - the reviews may come out days/weeks after everyone else, but they're much more thorough. So I don't know why you're bending over backwards to rail me and defend them over their horrible mishandling of this review (and others, like I indicated). Alereon posted:They also had an extreme delay in receiving the second card from AMD. Alereon posted:Their R9 280X review was missing its conclusion. Alereon posted:I've made a point of tracking NDA lift times for hardware I care about and checking the Anandtech reviews so I have some familiarity with their performance with launch reviews. All that said, this is definitely a debacle, and if Anandtech intentionally posted a blank review that is not okay. Since that would be such an obvious boneheaded move, the article and tweet went out at the exact scheduled NDA lift time, and Anand was apologizing over Twitter afterwards, it may not have been intentional. Edit - tl;dr: I'm not saying to crucify them, but don't just give them an automatic pass for a huge debacle that is similar to other past reviews just because they're "Anandtech". Call them out on their bullshit. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Oct 25, 2013 |
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I'm pretty sure AnandTech has committed themselves to releasing reviews of cards when they are released. I think this an excellent time to tell them that viewers would rather them take their time than rush out an incomplete review.
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GrizzlyCow posted:I'm pretty sure AnandTech has committed themselves to releasing reviews of cards when they are released. I think this an excellent time to tell them that viewers would rather them take their time than rush out an incomplete review. I'd rather see what they have so far then wait a week for them to release stale news. Assuming the stuff left out isn't out there already.
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Purgatory Glory posted:I'd rather see what they have so far then wait a week for them to release stale news. Assuming the stuff left out isn't out there already. Then go to one of a dozen other sites that run the cards through 3D-Mark once and then call it day so they can get their "coverage" out as soon as possible. The whole point of Anandtechs coverage is to go beyond what most sites offer, and cover all aspects of a piece of hardware from multiple viewpoints. It's worth waiting for.
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Jeezum Pete. AnandTech is ultra-fabulous, this is agreed. But I'd prefer two articles or an article coming out late instead of an article that's two thirds "[Page not yet written]" and ERROR 404: COMMENTARY NOT FOUND. It's convenient and wonderful when it's done, but it's unprofessional for a news site. And I might add, this has only happened on the AMD-sponsored section of the site, so AMD should really take some responsibility in fixing this, as well.
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Got my 290x today. I got the Powercolor and my brother in law got the Gigabyte. Identical apart from the branding on the fan, pretty much as expected. AMD's own autodetect driver download thingy doesn't even recognise the card yet, so that's kinda funny. I'm downloading the full Catalyst installer now but I'm a bit worried it's not going to work. I got a disc with it but I have no drat optical drive 
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Cmdrmonkey posted:I believe the GPU in the PS4 is roughly on par with a Radeon 7850. First is about right. I believe it's around that. Xbox One is 7790 or so. The second statement isn't too true, since the PS3 was only generation behind, it was a cut down 7800GTX. At launch, the 360/PS3 actually had decent GPU grunt, the 360 especially so, since it was AMD's first unified shader GPU.
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Digital Jesus posted:Got my 290x today. I got the Powercolor and my brother in law got the Gigabyte. Identical apart from the branding on the fan, pretty much as expected. AMD's own autodetect driver download thingy doesn't even recognise the card yet, so that's kinda funny. I'm downloading the full Catalyst installer now but I'm a bit worried it's not going to work. I got a disc with it but I have no drat optical drive Let us know how it goes. If anything, it'll cut down on your heating bills this winter.
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Vroom vroom. I seriously cannot get excited for this card. The performance in my eyes just doesn't outweigh the noise, heat, and lack of overclocking headroom(which makes other cards perform better anyway). I mean, the internet hype disagrees. But there are surely other people with reservations right?
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BurritoJustice posted:Vroom vroom. I agree with you entirely. I've done the jet engine rig thing before, and it's something which I'm no longer prepared to tolerate. I'm waiting for the gtx780ti.
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I'm just happy that AMD is putting up strong competition against NVIDIA, which ultimately is good for all of us. As for the 290x itself, gotta wait and see how it does with custom coolers. The Titan and 780 would probably be just as noisy if the reference NVIDIA cooler wasn't so fantastic (and probably expensive.) I think the 290x is loud because the reference cooler is just good enough in order to keep that insane price point.
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The Lord Bude posted:I agree with you entirely. I've done the jet engine rig thing before, and it's something which I'm no longer prepared to tolerate. I'm waiting for the gtx780ti. Hell I got an engineering sample 7970 back in the day that with my old case I didn't notice the jet engine sound while using it, and then I switched to a new case and noticed "Holy poo poo my gpu is loud as hell." I promptly went online, ordered an aftermarket solution for about $70 and it's quiet as can be now. I imagine people are getting all hyped because they can get really good performance for their buck now, and then in a month or two get a near silent card.
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ATI usually shits out some fairly loud blowers, it's to be expected. Once we see giant custom coolers on, this card will actually perform faster, since it's throttling under a lot of conditions, as well as being quieter. Win/win.
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Just played FF XIV for 2 hours and it wasn't any louder than my EVGA GTX 770 with the reference blower. I didn't mess with any of the power/performance stuff in Catalyst, just running it stock. It was hot though. It was idling at like 78C.
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Digital Jesus posted:Just played FF XIV for 2 hours and it wasn't any louder than my EVGA GTX 770 with the reference blower. I didn't mess with any of the power/performance stuff in Catalyst, just running it stock. It was hot though. It was idling at like 78C. My understanding is that by default, the blower is set to not go past 55% - it throttles if it needs to to keep temps down without going over. Imagine if it was set to ramp up further.
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I'll mess around with it tomorrow. My Swiftech pump seems to be on its way out (only 6 weeks old, drat it) so the noise from that is making it harder to really tell (and driving me loving crazy).
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This card sets clocks completely differently than any other card in the past. It will ramp the poo poo out of the clocks up to a max of 1000 depending on heat/voltage/other factors. Uber mode only allows the card to go 55% fan, quite mode only allows 40% fan. You have to manually allow it to use 100% fan. All of this can be ignored by putting a waterblock on it There are reports of water overclocks as high as 1200. Now if someone would just get the drat things in stock so I can order 2. Also, word is that it scales very well.
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So if this thing ends up being too loud/hot when it arrives, I guess I could just throw some aftermarket Zalman cooler on it or something? Even with the added cost of that, it's still a good deal compared to the 780 and Titan, so I'm fine with that. Will my Corsair TX 650 V2 be able to handle this card? I just have one SSD and one HDD, so I don't think my setup is especially power hungry. It would just be for the time being. Will probably pick up something better when newegg has a good deal on a more powerful Seasonic or Corsair.
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veedubfreak posted:This card sets clocks completely differently than any other card in the past. It will ramp the poo poo out of the clocks up to a max of 1000 depending on heat/voltage/other factors. Uber mode only allows the card to go 55% fan, quite mode only allows 40% fan. You have to manually allow it to use 100% fan. All of this can be ignored by putting a waterblock on it You don't have one because someone hogged them. 
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