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Mr. Clark2
Sep 17, 2003

Rocco sez: Oh man, what a bummer. Woof.

I encountered a user a couple days ago that had no idea how to use a trackpad on a laptop, he looked at it as if it were a steaming turd that he was afraid to touch. He is, of course, in a supervisory role.

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Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008

mllaneza posted:

Why the gently caress would someone only put some of the full-time, permanent, salaried staff in Active Directory ? Shouldn't you hit yourself in the head with a hammer when "gently caress it, I'll just stop here" crosses your mind ?

"Well see management only gave us enough money to buy five exchange cals, we're getting around this by setting up distribution groups pointing to free gmail accounts, we set those up in outlook express and we've left the exchange server as an open relay so they can send mail on behalf of the distribution group, it's genius!"

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

QPZIL posted:

Yeah I should have googled first. Apparently SCP is the de-facto secure backup avenue. Oh well!

Does FileZilla server for Windows support SCP? SCP and SFTP are two different things right? SCP = 'ssh cp' and SFTP = a whole different ball of wax?

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Bob Morales posted:

Does FileZilla server for Windows support SCP? SCP and SFTP are two different things right? SCP = 'ssh cp' and SFTP = a whole different ball of wax?

No. SFTP is "FTP over SSH". FTPS is "FTP over SSL". scp is run through sshd anyway, and sftp will be as well. ftps is the "other ball of wax", though 99% of people get these confused.

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT
^ Yup.

Ended up saying gently caress it and using FTP.

Every time a commit is done, it will dump the config to a directory for that specific device/stack.

Dudley
Feb 24, 2003

Tasty

Che Delilas posted:

I always seem to have plans involving me being out of town and unreachable when mandatory unpaid meetings on off time are scheduled.

It's amazing how often that happens isn't it?

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

Bob Morales posted:

Does FileZilla server for Windows support SCP? SCP and SFTP are two different things right? SCP = 'ssh cp' and SFTP = a whole different ball of wax?

Doesn't Windows just support SCP stuff out of the box? I'm pretty sure I SCP'd some stuff of my "lab" Catalyst to my computer through Putty without having to really set anything else up.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Inspector_666 posted:

Doesn't Windows just support SCP stuff out of the box? I'm pretty sure I SCP'd some stuff of my "lab" Catalyst to my computer through Putty without having to really set anything else up.

PuTTY isn't out of the box, but neither is openssh on some distros so whatever.

PuTTY does not do sshd, for that you'd need something like http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

fivre posted:

PuTTY isn't out of the box, but neither is openssh on some distros so whatever.

PuTTY does not do sshd, for that you'd need something like http://sshwindows.sourceforge.net/

Yeah, but I'm saying that outside of installing Putty I don't remember having to set anything else up to SCP stuff from either my switch or maybe the really old PC I tried to setup CentOS on.

But who knows maybe I did have to setup some kind of server and I just don't remember at all.




Unless you're saying the SCP support came through Putty.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams
Putty is an SCP client, you can't make a connect from another computer to Putty. So if you remember logging onto a device and making an SCP connection to your computer running Putty, you're misremembering. You can use Putty to connect to an SCP server and pull the data over, but you can't make an SCP connect to Putty and push the data.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

FISHMANPET posted:

Putty is an SCP client, you can't make a connect from another computer to Putty. So if you remember logging onto a device and making an SCP connection to your computer running Putty, you're misremembering. You can use Putty to connect to an SCP server and pull the data over, but you can't make an SCP connect to Putty and push the data.

Ah, that would explain it. :downs:

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
Finally got my VPC-to-VPC Openswan VPN working on EC2, thanks to Amazon's not-quite-100% incorrect documentation!

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?
Nothing kills that warm feeling for your employer like being asked to work over a weekend so that a client can get an environment that it absolutely must have on Tuesday...


... and have it not turned over to said client until Friday.

...and THEN being informed that your overtime was retroactively denied because said client didn't pay for the expedite, it was just PM's poorly managing a project.

As wonderful as the last nearly six years have been, I'm beginning to see the writing on the wall and it might be time to YOTJ.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

nitrogen posted:

Nothing kills that warm feeling for your employer like being asked to work over a weekend so that a client can get an environment that it absolutely must have on Tuesday...

... and have it not turned over to said client until Friday.

...and THEN being informed that your overtime was retroactively denied because said client didn't pay for the expedite, it was just PM's poorly managing a project.

As wonderful as the last nearly six years have been, I'm beginning to see the writing on the wall and it might be time to YOTJ.

Is your manager (not your PM) reasonable, someone you can talk to about problems? Ask him to schedule a short 1 on 1 with you and tell him how you feel wronged by the situation. They basically just used you like a tissue and then told you that your sacrifice not only will result in no thanks, but they also have no respect for you by not delivering the product by the supposed hard deadline.

Ask him what he thinks that does to your motivation? I know what it does to mine: kills it. Be a team player and get kicked in the nuts for it, I don't want to be a team player anymore. Ask him what he thinks he can do to restore the trust that has been broken here. You don't have to be aggressive or threatening about this, just, make it clear that this has severely damaged your relationship.

Also, as an employee working for a company, I don't give a flying poo poo gently caress who pays when and how much. My employer asked me to go above and beyond, and I did, with the understanding that they would reciprocate. My time is gone. Now it's time to pony up, or watch my output drop to barely minimal levels. This is not something I do consciously; my motivation simply dies if I know my work and time is neither appreciated nor respected.

Che Delilas fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Oct 26, 2013

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Agreed with the above - why is the end client's willingness to pay linked to your overtime? You don't get paid more if sales manage to get more money for certain contracts, so why should you suffer when the opposite happens?

canis minor
May 4, 2011

nitrogen posted:

Nothing kills that warm feeling for your employer like being asked to work over a weekend so that a client can get an environment that it absolutely must have on Tuesday...


... and have it not turned over to said client until Friday.

...and THEN being informed that your overtime was retroactively denied because said client didn't pay for the expedite, it was just PM's poorly managing a project.

As wonderful as the last nearly six years have been, I'm beginning to see the writing on the wall and it might be time to YOTJ.

This. I guess I just doesn't register it anymore, but the situations where something had to be done for yesterday when client would see it, hmm, a month after taught me that deadlines don't exist. Oh, the client requested an import of products after the weekend? No worries, I'll just spend the weekend doing that. Oh, the products aren't the ones that he wanted and that really wasn't a necessity? And he'll deliver new products tommorow? But he doesn't expect, or does he? Just please tell me when it has to be done! This is me 3 months ago - right now I've taken the approach of "this is not my problem". While it's selfish, or maybe not responsible (in my book it's not being a team player), why the gently caress should I waste my life on other people being brainless.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

eithedog posted:

This. I guess I just doesn't register it anymore, but the situations where something had to be done for yesterday when client would see it, hmm, a month after taught me that deadlines don't exist. Oh, the client requested an import of products after the weekend? No worries, I'll just spend the weekend doing that. Oh, the products aren't the ones that he wanted and that really wasn't a necessity? And he'll deliver new products tommorow? But he doesn't expect, or does he? Just please tell me when it has to be done! This is me 3 months ago - right now I've taken the approach of "this is not my problem". While it's selfish, or maybe not responsible (in my book it's not being a team player), why the gently caress should I waste my life on other people being brainless.

I worked over the weekend to help rewrite a API for a week of regression testing to deliver by yesterday.

They pushed the date back a week so we could do more regression testing. :suicide:

QuiteEasilyDone
Jul 2, 2010

Won't you play with me?
Remember, "A lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on mine"

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug
So glad after 3 days of +12 hour days and saying DO NOT OPEN ATTACHEMENTS UNLESS EXPECTED. The client is hit again with cryptolocker....

gently caress!

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA
May 29, 2008

Dilbert As gently caress posted:

So glad after 3 days of +12 hour days and saying DO NOT OPEN ATTACHEMENTS UNLESS EXPECTED. The client is hit again with cryptolocker....

gently caress!

Did you have that software restriction policy set in GP?

(out of curiosity about whether or not it works)

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

Did you have that software restriction policy set in GP?

(out of curiosity about whether or not it works)

:colbert: We want BYOD + full data retention!
:v: ahh virtual desktops provide all that functionality then some!
:colbert: That is 1k more than the cheap out solution!


GUESS WHAT WAS MORE EXPESIVE, from an RTO/RIO?

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug
double post

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

nitrogen posted:

Nothing kills that warm feeling for your employer like being asked to work over a weekend so that a client can get an environment that it absolutely must have on Tuesday...


... and have it not turned over to said client until Friday.

...and THEN being informed that your overtime was retroactively denied because said client didn't pay for the expedite, it was just PM's poorly managing a project.

As wonderful as the last nearly six years have been, I'm beginning to see the writing on the wall and it might be time to YOTJ.

How can overtime be retroactively denied? You worked it, you should get paid.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Dilbert As gently caress posted:

:v: ahh virtual desktops provide all that functionality then some!

I know VMware is your schtick. And everyone loves VDI. But every so often I want to take that hammer away from you or introduce you to a screwdriver.

I don't do any Windows stuff these days, though. Is there some way in which VDI would have prevented them from getting hit with Cryptolocker again with idiotic group policy?

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Che Delilas posted:

Is your manager (not your PM) reasonable, someone you can talk to about problems? Ask him to schedule a short 1 on 1 with you and tell him how you feel wronged by the situation. They basically just used you like a tissue and then told you that your sacrifice not only will result in no thanks, but they also have no respect for you by not delivering the product by the supposed hard deadline.

Ask him what he thinks that does to your motivation? I know what it does to mine: kills it. Be a team player and get kicked in the nuts for it, I don't want to be a team player anymore. Ask him what he thinks he can do to restore the trust that has been broken here. You don't have to be aggressive or threatening about this, just, make it clear that this has severely damaged your relationship.

Also, as an employee working for a company, I don't give a flying poo poo gently caress who pays when and how much. My employer asked me to go above and beyond, and I did, with the understanding that they would reciprocate. My time is gone. Now it's time to pony up, or watch my output drop to barely minimal levels. This is not something I do consciously; my motivation simply dies if I know my work and time is neither appreciated nor respected.

My manager is reasonable, but the fuckedupedness goes beyond his power to be reasonable.

I spoke with him about it earlier today, and we're getting paid regardless. (my company has a history of legal issues in regards to overtime, so they wont gently caress around on this.)

I just find the whole exercise silly, even if I know it'll get resolved in the end.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


nitrogen posted:

My manager is reasonable, but the fuckedupedness goes beyond his power to be reasonable.

I spoke with him about it earlier today, and we're getting paid regardless. (my company has a history of legal issues in regards to overtime, so they wont gently caress around on this.)

I just find the whole exercise silly, even if I know it'll get resolved in the end.

Our boss is adamant that we don't get penalty rates (double time, etc), we get our standard rate. Now this creates another issue where if I hit that 'sweet spot' of overtime hours (after my regular 40 hour week) I will actually enter the new tax bracket, and end up with LESS money than if I wasn't dedicated to the cause etc. This causes people to not really want to work that extra. If we had the correct legal rates we wouldn't be in this situation and would gladly work more hours.

:yotj: update: I travel somewhat frequently for my current job but through this whole process of applying to new company I have been lucky not to be away. So now OF COURSE it's the week I will be given my medical test appointment and I am due to be away. For two weeks.

Also weighing on my head is my grandmother whose cancer treatment isn't going to well. I really want to go see her while getting treatment (4 hours flight) :(

(I refuse to use flying to grandma as an excuse to stay in town for medical - that's just not cool)

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Oct 27, 2013

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Humphreys posted:

Now this creates another issue where if I hit that 'sweet spot' of overtime hours (after my regular 40 hour week) I will actually enter the new tax bracket, and end up with LESS money than if I wasn't dedicated to the cause etc.

That's not how progressive taxation works.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Kyrosiris posted:

That's not how progressive taxation works.

I'll find some of the payslips.

EDIT: It's how it has been explained to my dumb head, when in the office I'll check it out

Humphreys fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Oct 27, 2013

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Humphreys posted:

I'll find some of the payslips.

The point is that you should be getting the higher rate only on what you earn over the threshold. Earning more money over that threshold should not make you worse off, only less better off than you might have been.

Paladine_PSoT
Jan 2, 2010

If you have a problem Yo, I'll solve it

Fil5000 posted:

The point is that you should be getting the higher rate only on what you earn over the threshold. Earning more money over that threshold should not make you worse off, only less better off than you might have been.

Technically, it *CAN* happen on a single or a few paychecks under the right conditions, and those conditions are based on poor calculations and assumptions on the payroll processor's end. You still end up getting the money back at the end of the year, but the paycheck can be lower. Again, this is because of poo poo processing algorithms.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Paladine_PSoT posted:

Technically, it *CAN* happen on a single or a few paychecks under the right conditions, and those conditions are based on poor calculations and assumptions on the payroll processor's end. You still end up getting the money back at the end of the year, but the paycheck can be lower. Again, this is because of poo poo processing algorithms.

I did get a good tax return this year. Hmm.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


evol262 posted:

I know VMware is your schtick. And everyone loves VDI. But every so often I want to take that hammer away from you or introduce you to a screwdriver.

I don't do any Windows stuff these days, though. Is there some way in which VDI would have prevented them from getting hit with Cryptolocker again with idiotic group policy?

I'm guessing because you can enforce policies on your virtual desktops in a way that you can't if you have a bunch of poo poo laptops with users running as admin connected directly to file shares.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Humphreys posted:

I'll find some of the payslips.

EDIT: It's how it has been explained to my dumb head, when in the office I'll check it out

In a progressive taxation system, once you go over a "threshold", money earned above that point is taxed at the higher rate.

The money below that threshold is taxed at the original rate.

It's pretty basic stuff. Having ALL your money taxed at a higher rate just because you earnt more would be ridiculous.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Paladine_PSoT posted:

Technically, it *CAN* happen on a single or a few paychecks under the right conditions, and those conditions are based on poor calculations and assumptions on the payroll processor's end. You still end up getting the money back at the end of the year, but the paycheck can be lower. Again, this is because of poo poo processing algorithms.

I had poo poo like that happen on weeks were I got a ton of OT. ADP is bad about that. And yes, my return was princely at the end of the year.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
There are issues if you rely on subsidies and benefits, it's possible for you to actually earn less, due to them disappearing at certain thresholds. That said, it's probably not what you're talking about.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Caged posted:

I'm guessing because you can enforce policies on your virtual desktops in a way that you can't if you have a bunch of poo poo laptops with users running as admin connected directly to file shares.

Dilbert asking about GP implies that it's a domain environment (possibly roaming profiles on the laptops), and the file shares should be enforcing granular permissions with only domain users allowed to connect. If you end up with a "policies in virtual desktops" policy, it does nothing to protect badly configured shares

Technogeek
Sep 9, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Humphreys posted:

I'll find some of the payslips.

EDIT: It's how it has been explained to my dumb head, when in the office I'll check it out

I wouldn't be surprised if it was explained that way; tax brackets are surprisingly poorly understood by the general population.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


evol262 posted:

Dilbert asking about GP implies that it's a domain environment (possibly roaming profiles on the laptops), and the file shares should be enforcing granular permissions with only domain users allowed to connect. If you end up with a "policies in virtual desktops" policy, it does nothing to protect badly configured shares

What I got from his post was that they have a bunch of BYOD laptops that aren't on the domain and hence don't have the software restriction policies applied. Just someone's personal laptop connecting to a share that they have permissions for and then those files getting wiped out by Cryptolocker. Forcing those BYOD laptops to RDP into a virtual desktop which is locked down and not allowing the network they are on to access the file shares would have gone a long way to helping prevent the issues.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

Caged posted:

What I got from his post was that they have a bunch of BYOD laptops that aren't on the domain and hence don't have the software restriction policies applied. Just someone's personal laptop connecting to a share that they have permissions for and then those files getting wiped out by Cryptolocker. Forcing those BYOD laptops to RDP into a virtual desktop which is locked down and not allowing the network they are on to access the file shares would have gone a long way to helping prevent the issues.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Pretty much this

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Crowley
Mar 13, 2003
The really odd thing is, that with VDI everyone could BYOD all day and still work in a secure environment while the world (aka their privately owned machine) is burning to ashes.

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