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doctorfrog posted:[list] I get the urge to screw around but this barely makes sense to me, what's the point of trying to 'see what they can do' if you're dying before the temple? You don't even really get a character rolling until you have a god.
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The biggest, "Oh, wow, so this is what people mean about X class," moment for me in Crawl was the first time I got a Naga Ice Elementalist worshipping... uh... the V god I think? Vehumet? Whoever gave you mana when you killed things with spells, to reliably cast Freezing Cloud (or whatever level 6 AoE spell they start with but can't cast till much later is, if they even still have it, the classes all changed a lot since 0.8). Making a room fill with deadly freezing vapors that dealt partially irrestible damage (iirc anyway) while regenning mana off of it was insane. But yeah, Crawl is a neat game where characters really came into their own and diverged in playstyles from one another (at least at the archetype level, not a huge difference between a gladiator and a fighter last I played) as the game progresses.
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Nov 7, 2013 21:24
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The classes are really just a starting point, the bigger determinant of how a character is going to play is race and god combo IMO.
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Nov 7, 2013 21:27
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doctorfrog posted:[*]curated two Crawl threads in this very forum while not being able to regularly get past the Temple, partly because I just like playing random characters to see what they can do To be fair, don't the stats show that D:3 is the biggest killer by far?
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Nov 7, 2013 22:05
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Aren't hobgoblins the number 1 killer?
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Nov 7, 2013 22:07
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Now that Desktop Dungeons is finally done (!!!) and on Steam (I'm downloading it right now, finally the ability to play offline...) maybe someone should make a thread? Considering it's a game with a lot of stuff and a lot of strategy that constantly changes as you unlock the millions of things there are to unlock... I would do it but I am not good at detailed OPs, at all.
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Nov 7, 2013 22:18
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andrew smash posted:I get the urge to screw around but this barely makes sense to me, what's the point of trying to 'see what they can do' if you're dying before the temple? You don't even really get a character rolling until you have a god. Because I'm playing the game wrong. I was doing stuff like trying to imagine little backstories for my characters and whatnot. Then the game kept changing every month for a while, and it seemed like what worked yesterday wasn't working now, and it was becoming actual work trying to figure out what changed and what narrow character I was supposed to pick that would be successful, so I just started exploring what random combinations of characters would be like, because that was more interesting than following the latest forum-approved newbie build. This was on my way out of the game, admittedly, I didn't start out playing like that. But mostly because I'm bad at this video game. In the end, I decided that Crawl was somehow a college course about itself that you could get lost in with the right personality, and I just didn't have that personality. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 7, 2013 |
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Nov 7, 2013 22:23
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Jordan7hm posted:Most combat doesn't risk death. Most combat drains resources, but death is only a direct risk at certain moments. Identifying those moments and avoiding them is key. Someone literally programmed a bot to do exactly that with a Hill Orc Berserker, it ceded control to the player when it perceived itself in a threatening situation but otherwise just autoexplored and tabbed through the entire game. It ascended as a three-runer in about 32 minutes. Here's the character dump. http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/parabolic/morgue-parabolic-20120930-030757.txt So basically, you're exactly right.
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Nov 8, 2013 00:22
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dis astranagant posted:Aren't hobgoblins the number 1 killer? According to the stats for the 0.13 tournament, gnolls took the #1 spot (thanks to spawning in packs and having polearms, I bet), and orc priests were 2nd, both by a pretty good margin.
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Nov 8, 2013 00:41
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doctorfrog posted:Because I'm playing the game wrong. I was doing stuff like trying to imagine little backstories for my characters and whatnot. Then the game kept changing every month for a while, and it seemed like what worked yesterday wasn't working now, and it was becoming actual work trying to figure out what changed and what narrow character I was supposed to pick that would be successful, so I just started exploring what random combinations of characters would be like, because that was more interesting than following the latest forum-approved newbie build. This was on my way out of the game, admittedly, I didn't start out playing like that. Recommended character choices are literally highlighted on the selection screen. Sorry it didn't work out though. Though, all the things that work to getting to the temple in Crawl are pretty much universal strategy in all roguelikes.
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Nov 8, 2013 00:41
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S.T.C.A. posted:drat, what level were you? And I assume you did Golgotha first to get there (in terms of it being required to unlock something, I know it shows up on the map by default)? 26 maybe? Espers are really strong. I did Golgotha first because it's easier & comes first in the questline, but I'm not sure it actually unlocks anything. I don't remember any forcefields beyond the entrance to Grit Gate? You visit Omonporch briefly for the main questline, but that's near the end of the game, after you've already cleared Bethesda Susa.
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Nov 8, 2013 00:59
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icantfindaname posted:Nobody has mentioned brogue in a while, but is there some kind of established plan you're supposed to follow w/r/t equipment? Should I get a plate armor and endgame weapon right away and keep them around until I have enough strength to use them, or not worry about that until the endgame? Should scrolls of enchanting be used primarily for armor, or should I use them on staves and rings and such? The changes to the stealth system are so game shifting in 1.7.3 that I no longer know the correct answer to this question. I haven't been playing as much either, so I haven't had time to generate a proper opinion.
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Nov 8, 2013 01:00
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_jink posted:26 maybe? Espers are really strong. I did Golgotha first because it's easier & comes first in the questline, but I'm not sure it actually unlocks anything. What do you recommend for someone like me to do at 20 who isn't able to take on Golgotha yet but doesn't really have anywhere else?
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Nov 8, 2013 02:09
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Someone's working on an Incursion-inspired T-Engine module: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=The_Veins_of_the_Earth
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Nov 8, 2013 03:01
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Would anybody be interested in helping to compile a list of the cool little unique encounters in Qud? I've found a few myself, some of which are pretty easy to stumble into and others which are further scattered. They're my favorite thing about the game and I would like to find or at least read about the others people have found.
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Nov 8, 2013 03:02
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DalaranJ posted:The changes to the stealth system are so game shifting in 1.7.3 that I no longer know the correct answer to this question. I haven't been playing as much either, so I haven't had time to generate a proper opinion. What are these changes to the stealth system everyone is mentioning? I just started playing the game recently. Was stealth heavily buffed or something?
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Nov 8, 2013 03:18
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TOOT BOOT posted:Someone's working on an Incursion-inspired T-Engine module: This looks real promising. The T-Engine GUI is amazing and is a perfect fit for the game.
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Nov 8, 2013 03:58
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icantfindaname posted:What are these changes to the stealth system everyone is mentioning? I just started playing the game recently. Was stealth heavily buffed or something? Essentially, the stealth system used to not care about your armor at all, so plate armor was always the best choice in every situation (barring a really great runic, but most runic armor still wasn't as good as plate).
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Nov 8, 2013 04:00
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It's a basically an entirely new stealth system. You now have a "Stealth radius", which is really there opposite, it's the radius within which you can be seen. Inside the radius I think it's a flat 25% chance per turn that a monster will notice you, and monsters outside of it will never see you. Heavier armour increases your (un) stealth radius, and not moving for a turn cuts it in half. Since you now know when you can and can't be seen, you can sneak intelligently - if you're willing to forego the protection of heavier armours.
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HellsEmbrace posted:Someone literally programmed a bot to do exactly that with a Hill Orc Berserker, it ceded control to the player when it perceived itself in a threatening situation but otherwise just autoexplored and tabbed through the entire game. It ascended as a three-runer in about 32 minutes. Here's the character dump. Has anyone made a lua script that could actually win DCSS on its own? It's been a few years that these things have been around now. I programmed one that got me to zot in ~40 minutes or so but it wasn't running entirely by itself, and I was massively underpowered and died on I think zot:2. Also, it was a FeBe ie cheat mode. e: And talking about Crawl, my favorite thing to do was to make ridiculous berserker combinations. I had a HaBe of Chei that made two unsuccessful ziggurat runs with I think maxed out air magic. I ended up dying to reflect or something on a really late ziggurat level. I could at one time beat crawl pretty consistently, but I never did manage to clear a ziggurat. Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Nov 8, 2013 |
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Nov 8, 2013 04:37
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The reason ADOM hasn't gotten the rest of the crowdfunded features in is that Thomas hasn't been working on it in quite a while. He had some family problems and apparently promising that ADOM Lite RPG book has become an albatross around his neck.
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Nov 8, 2013 05:05
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dis astranagant posted:Aren't hobgoblins the number 1 killer? This was old old old data (I think it was collected in 0.4.something) but yeah, more deaths in Crawl occured before D:5 than anywhere else and the deadliest creature in the entire game was the lowly Hobgoblin. In fact, the entire game got progressively less challenging until about D:20 and associated branches, at which point there was a slight uptick in deathrate (but still less than early game.) Anecdotally, this wasn't just new players either; if you looked at the scoreboards of really good Crawl players (again, at the time) their records would basically go "died on D:1, died in D:3, won with 3 runes, died on D:4, won with 15 runes," etc.
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It makes perfect sense to me anyway, you have less options for dealing with dangerous monsters in the first few levels. The threats scale up as you dive but you have many more tools to escape or quickly kill something dangerous.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:This was old old old data (I think it was collected in 0.4.something) but yeah, more deaths in Crawl occured before D:5 than anywhere else and the deadliest creature in the entire game was the lowly Hobgoblin. In fact, the entire game got progressively less challenging until about D:20 and associated branches, at which point there was a slight uptick in deathrate (but still less than early game.) I know I play less cautiously in the upper dungeon unless I'm trying to go for a streak or something. You turn a corner on D:1 and there's a hobgoblin holding a glowing dagger, now that dagger probably isn't distortion or draining, but it might be. The right move would be to run away and either go to D:2 or just escape and clear the rest of the level. In practice though, who gives a poo poo, if it's a ohko brand you'll die and reroll instantly so just autoattack that fucker.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Essentially, the stealth system used to not care about your armor at all, so plate armor was always the best choice in every situation (barring a really great runic, but most runic armor still wasn't as good as plate). Exactly. Plate armor had no downside so the optimum play was always: find plate armor, make sure it's not cursed, immediately drop 5 or more enchants on it and wear it forever. Edit: I suppose I forgot to give actual helpful advice on enchants. In a run you will find between 12 and 18 enchants. I usually spend about 6 on weapons and armor. That means you never enchant non endgame equipment. Exceptions can be made if you have an excellently weighted runic obviously. Runics become more powerful on worse equipment faster, so you want to find runes on a spear usually but for some runes dagger or sword is best. Light is probably the best ring because of late game, but I'm terrible at the game so I usually like to have a +4 regen ring instead. Lightning seems great but what's really great is obstruction. I enchant firebolt to exactly 4, because when you need fire you really need fire and when you need no fire it's useless. Conjuration is also surprisingly cool. DalaranJ fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Nov 8, 2013 |
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Just a quick note that Desktop Dungeons is great. I played the beta a bunch and enjoyed it quite a bit, but got distracted by something shiny and hadn't even thought about it in months. The final product that just came out on steam is pretty drat fantastic; they've added a lot of content to the game and spiffed up the art and streamlined some of the mechanics and it all just comes together really nicely. I played for a couple of hours tonight and had fun with it all over again. The alpha is available for free on the desktop dungeons site and will give you a good taste of what the game mechanics are like if you're in doubt--just know that the full version adds quite a bit to the game on all fronts. The only real  I've seen so far is the lack of a "quit" button--apparently they're so used to it being a browser app they forgot to add one, so you have to just Alt-F4, or close the window. There's also what seems to be a missing font in one section of the menu/manual, but it doesn't really affect gameplay.This is really an enjoyable game.
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In case anyone is interested, Angband just got a new maintainer, a guy who's done a lot of work on variants including one of the most popular FAAngband (first age angband). None of this will be happening right away since the current devs are still cleaning up the latest version for release (it will be 3.5, playable versions are in the nightlies), but if this happens it would be the biggest change that I can remember.Oook member Nick posted:The core idea is that I want a shorter, more eventful, more dangerous game. Here are some of the things I envisage happening:
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Nov 8, 2013 07:19
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Uncle Jam posted:Recommended character choices are literally highlighted on the selection screen. Sorry it didn't work out though. They weren't back when I was playing, but again, I was playing the game the way I wanted it to be rather than the way it was intended. It's my fault  . And you're definitely right about Crawl strategies applying to other roguelikes, so I took something away from the experience.
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Nov 8, 2013 07:22
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DalaranJ posted:Exactly. Plate armor had no downside ... Never having worthwhile runics was a pretty big downside.
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Nov 8, 2013 07:38
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Angband has been a boring slog as long as long I've been playing roguelikes.
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Nov 8, 2013 07:40
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TOOT BOOT posted:Angband has been a boring slog as long as long I've been playing roguelikes. Sil is what angband should have been.
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andrew smash posted:Sil is what angband should have been. That's what I was thinking, actually. Sounds like they're just reinventing the wheel with this new direction.
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Desktop Dungeons can't be praised enough. I've been in the beta for a long time but stopped playing at some point to experience the full product once it is done. It also has the potential to become the perfect tablet game, and since they do save syncing across platforms I don't feel like holding off as I did with FTL. It's the most distilled resource management part of roguelikes there is.
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andrew smash posted:Sil is what angband should have been. Sil comes recommended among goons? I just read about it and it seems kind of neat. Could anyone give some beginner tips(I know I saw people discussing it a few pages ago)
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It comes most highly recommended. Actually one of the best roguelikes out there, and certainly the best Angband variant; it just doesn't get much exposure. I can't reccomend any tips in particular that the manual and tutorial doesn't spell out, but treat it like Crawl - fighting is not the only strategy.
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Sil exposure flares up at least briefly with each major release---been awhile since the last one but there's also been a major one cooking so the pendulum should swing the other way hopefully at some near point. It would be a dream world for us all if both Sil and Frozen Depths(Come on End of 2014~) could get some serious momentum/visibility to foster at least a tad faster dev pace as each is very much part of the "Once every great while" club. ExiledTinkerer fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Nov 8, 2013 |
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doctorfrog posted:They weren't back when I was playing, but again, I was playing the game the way I wanted it to be rather than the way it was intended. It's my fault drat dude, you should try again then. I'm pretty sure that was implemented a long time ago even when Stone Soup was starting to wind up right after the fork. I've played since 4.1 and the game is much less brutal (but a lot more boring to be honest, especially lately with the constant removal of poo poo)
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Uncle Jam posted:drat dude, you should try again then. I'm pretty sure that was implemented a long time ago even when Stone Soup was starting to wind up right after the fork. I've played since 4.1 and the game is much less brutal (but a lot more boring to be honest, especially lately with the constant removal of poo poo) I dunno I kind of like the direction it's gone, most of the stuff removed seems to be for good reason, and now there's a whole mess of new species to play with which are pretty fun to me, plus remakes of old branches. I'm not shedding any tears for blade traps.
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Superschaf posted:Desktop Dungeons can't be praised enough. Yup, I played beta to death and I still love the game. Seriously, if you want a good, light roguelike, you can't go wrong with Desktop Dungeons.
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