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Eej posted:Erwin smiling was incredibly creepy and I don't even really know why (for certain) he was doing it. I may be bad at reading context but his "I was told that since I was a child..." Was that about his creepy smiling or did he mean that the revelation of titans being humans was something he was told as a child?
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Nov 10, 2013 05:35
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BambooEarpick posted:I may be bad at reading context but his "I was told that since I was a child..." Was that about his creepy smiling or did he mean that the revelation of titans being humans was something he was told as a child? He said it in reference to the "you're a freak" comment by Levi.
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Nov 10, 2013 05:37
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flowinprose posted:I'm more curious about the fact that nobody has brought up the beast titan. Didn't they see him climb up the wall? Isn't that a pretty big problem?? Yeah I'm surprised that Eren hasn't talked about what he and the other titan shifters were discussing when alone, and how they're looking for the Beast Titan.
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Nov 10, 2013 05:45
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Herb Stencil posted:He said it in reference to the "you're a freak" comment by Levi. Yeah the jarring thing for me is that Erwin and his smiling came right after Levi expresses some concern that he may have been murdering humans this entire time. I'm not sure what to make of it.
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Nov 10, 2013 07:02
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Eej posted:Yeah the jarring thing for me is that Erwin and his smiling came right after Levi expresses some concern that he may have been murdering humans this entire time. I'm not sure what to make of it. I interpreted it as a "ahahaha gently caress this poo poo" sort of thing.
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Nov 10, 2013 08:00
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Neo_Crimson posted:I interpreted it as a "ahahaha gently caress this poo poo" sort of thing. They had to of at least guessed this before I mean the Titans look like giant humans and they know that people can turn into them it can't be a huge leap of logic to at least contemplate that they were probably human at some point.
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Nov 10, 2013 08:04
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socialsecurity posted:They had to of at least guessed this before I mean the Titans look like giant humans and they know that people can turn into them it can't be a huge leap of logic to at least contemplate that they were probably human at some point. If I were in Irwin's position I would be putting this far as gently caress from the front of my mind until it became something that couldn't be avoided. Knowing about it doesn't actually change anything, and it would just make combat even harder and probably get you killed due to the hesitation that knowledge could cause. I imagine he just blocked it out until they actually obtained solid evidence.
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Nov 10, 2013 08:11
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TheKingofSprings posted:If I were in Irwin's position I would be putting this far as gently caress from the front of my mind until it became something that couldn't be avoided. Knowing about it doesn't actually change anything, and it would just make combat even harder and probably get you killed due to the hesitation that knowledge could cause. I imagine he just blocked it out until they actually obtained solid evidence. People have been killing people in wars for far worse reasons then stopping genocide throughout human history, the whole "oh god we have been killing humans" is a cheap dramashot because if you got turned into a giant mindless monster and started eating your family and poo poo wouldn't you want someone to kill you?
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Nov 10, 2013 08:14
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socialsecurity posted:People have been killing people in wars for far worse reasons then stopping genocide throughout human history, the whole "oh god we have been killing humans" is a cheap dramashot because if you got turned into a giant mindless monster and started eating your family and poo poo wouldn't you want someone to kill you? Absolutely, but there's a significant difference between killing a giant monster that just looks like a human and a giant mindless monster that actually is one. I'm not saying "oh god this mindless killing machine was actually a person once I CAN'T DO THIS" is the end result, so much as that knowledge just increases the possibility someone will hesitate even in a small way, which translates to slipups and subsequently increased titan death.
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socialsecurity posted:People have been killing people in wars for far worse reasons then stopping genocide throughout human history, the whole "oh god we have been killing humans" is a cheap dramashot because if you got turned into a giant mindless monster and started eating your family and poo poo wouldn't you want someone to kill you? Yes, which is great from a handwavey standpoint. On the other hand: being confronted with the fact that you've been killing people who have by and large lost control of themselves isn't something to go hop skipping away like it means nothing. "Gee all these people being mind controlled by the aliens probably would have wanted me to break their skulls open with a baseball bat, oh well might as well not worry about the sheer horror of the circumstance!" isn't really a realistic expectation. It's more "oh god". Nothing that would stop you, just kind of horrendous. The very fact that Titans are humans and not some Other is kind of terrifying since it means that there's something else beyond them. They've had some suspicions of this but if EVERY titan is human, it makes the reality of their threat even more nightmarish. Plus: what if they can just turn whole sections of the city into Titans? Is there any way they can be safe if that's the case? Obviously we are fairly certain it's not that simple, but it's still something to fret over.
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socialsecurity posted:People have been killing people in wars for far worse reasons then stopping genocide throughout human history, the whole "oh god we have been killing humans" is a cheap dramashot because if you got turned into a giant mindless monster and started eating your family and poo poo wouldn't you want someone to kill you? kinda like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWB_COSUXMw
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Nov 10, 2013 08:29
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Is there even any proof that all titans are originally human? Or just the people from Connie's village that Sasquatch had transformed, which is something that the readers (but not the characters) figured out already?
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Nov 10, 2013 08:46
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You know, in any other manga I would expect that moment to have been the first indicator that Erwin would snap and end up betraying the main characters for the power to become a titan and get his arm back. Not here though, I expect him to continue being a badass.
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Nov 10, 2013 16:23
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Soulcleaver posted:Is there even any proof that all titans are originally human? Or just the people from Connie's village that Sasquatch had transformed, which is something that the readers (but not the characters) figured out already? I think beyond this latest chapter, Eren popping out of a titan's neck at the battle for Trost was also some decent proof that titans are really humans all along. Not to mention if you just look at them, well... That being said, there is clearly something different with Connie's village. They operated at night when titans usually don't do that.
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Nov 10, 2013 17:22
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Terror Sweat posted:Why aren't they doing that to Histora? Or torturing the poo poo out of the Wall Cult members? These fuckers knew a bunch of stuff about titans and did nothing while soldiers are off dying. The survey corps seems like they could probably grab a few wall cult members without anyone noticing. I think the 'truth' will more or less justify the wall cult's decision to stay quiet. They may be driven crazy by what they know but they're probably not the bad guys.
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Nov 10, 2013 17:32
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I think beyond this latest chapter, Eren popping out of a titan's neck at the battle for Trost was also some decent proof that titans are really humans all along. Not to mention if you just look at them, well... Dunno, I interpreted that as them being able to move around at night because King Kong ordered them to gently caress around with the Scouting Legion. TheKingofSprings posted:If I were in Irwin's position I would be putting this far as gently caress from the front of my mind until it became something that couldn't be avoided. Knowing about it doesn't actually change anything, and it would just make combat even harder and probably get you killed due to the hesitation that knowledge could cause. I imagine he just blocked it out until they actually obtained solid evidence. This...kind of already seemed to be happening with Levi in this most recent chapter, didn't it?
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Nov 10, 2013 18:26
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Honestly I kind of hope the revelation to the characters that the titans are transformed humans doesn't lead to people hesitating and getting killed in the future, because though I could understand hesitation if you're fighting the titan of your mother or friend or whatever, the fact is it's an extreme kill or be killed situation. The person in the titan is functionally unconscious as it is. I think it's a great thing for the characters to discuss and feel guilty about but they're still locked in a horrible battle for survival and I think anybody would realize this.
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Nov 10, 2013 18:40
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Nelson Mandingo posted:That being said, there is clearly something different with Connie's village. They operated at night when titans usually don't do that.
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Nov 10, 2013 18:41
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Probably has more to do with Sasquatch being involved. Sasquatch 
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Squidster posted:Historia doesn't know anything, but I'm sure they're working on putting her and Pastor Nick in a room together. There isn't any point in being suspicious of her - she's valuable, but she doesn't present any risk. I'm sure the SC could kidnap priests and torture 'em, but that could have incredible blowback. The SC doesn't understand the nature of the wall conspiracy, so they can't even predict what form that blowback would take - riots? Titans? Poisoned potatoes? Historia has been lying to them from the start. Her best friend was a Titan who was also lying to them from the start. The three titans who killed hundred of thousands of people were also in that group and were lying from the start. Two of those three titans tried to kidnap her, and she tried to leave with them. There is 100% reason to be completely suspicious of her, and they have no idea of knowing if she poses no risk or not.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:That being said, there is clearly something different with Connie's village. They operated at night when titans usually don't do that. Well we know from Sawney and Bean that not all titans are created equal. Some go inactive in darkness, others are fine for hours.
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It may have just been the translation, but I got the distinct impression that Historia and Connie and the others were already thoroughly debriefed at some point between returning to the wall and the discussion with Irwin et al., and that they'd drawn as-yet-undisclosed conclusions and plans from it, which presumably gave them something to work on with more potential value than keeping either locked up could. I also have the impression that the wall religion is more politically powerful than the scouts, but that's less specific and more of my general feel of the story universe.
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I still think it's going to end up being something a little more than just "titans are transformed humans". It's really cliche.
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TK-31 posted:You know, in any other manga I would expect that moment to have been the first indicator that Erwin would snap and end up betraying the main characters for the power to become a titan and get his arm back. Hey, maybe the bite was contagious.... 
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Terror Sweat posted:Historia has been lying to them from the start. Her best friend was a Titan who was also lying to them from the start. The three titans who killed hundred of thousands of people were also in that group and were lying from the start. Two of those three titans tried to kidnap her, and she tried to leave with them. There is 100% reason to be completely suspicious of her, and they have no idea of knowing if she poses no risk or not. Shoot, I've completely forgotten when Historia found out about Ymir. How long was it between Ymir outing herself as the biggest lesbian to Historia and the SC discovering it?
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Fister Roboto posted:I still think it's going to end up being something a little more than just "titans are transformed humans". It's really cliche. Yeah, considering Hanji stressed repeatedly that they don't have any solid proof for that theory my guess is that there's going to be more to it than that. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 11, 2013 03:20
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Saagonsa posted:Yeah, considering Hanji stressed repeatedly that they don't have any solid proof for that theory my guess is that there's going to be more to it than that. I completely agree. Thanks for summing up my views entirely. EDIT: Hasn't anyone discussed the Freudian appeal of this show yet? It's pretty striking! No wonder it's popular with females. ----------------
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Griff Lee posted:I completely agree. Thanks for summing up my views entirely. Is having a short, moody, clean-freak fujyoshi-magnet Freudian?
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Griff Lee posted:I completely agree. Thanks for summing up my views entirely. It's popular with girls because Levi is more or less a laundry list of every trait fujoshi find attractive in male characters. He's pretty much the blind deaf childhood friend robot maid from Welcome to the NHK! vvv what the hell are you even talking about AnonSpore fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Nov 11, 2013 |
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AnonSpore posted:It's popular with girls because Levi is more or less a laundry list of every trait fujoshi find attractive in male characters. He's pretty much the blind deaf childhood friend robot maid from Welcome to the NHK! And people still don't believe in the Misandry bubble! smh seriously though shows like Bleach and Attack on Titan make me weirded out. Sexualizing men for the purpose of female consummation just seems wrong and immoral and frankly I'm tired of men being used as a scape goat to do all SORTS of things. Sexism hurts men and women equally and once we realize that these issues are just as important as the ones on E! maybe we could work to stop it??? ---------------- Digi_Kraken fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Nov 11, 2013 |
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AnonSpore posted:It's popular with girls because Levi is more or less a laundry list of every trait fujoshi find attractive in male characters. He's pretty much the blind deaf childhood friend robot maid from Welcome to the NHK! This I don't really get. I mean yeah, he's aloof as hell, but not in a ~*mysterious*~ way, he's just kind of a mundane sort of rear end in a top hat. On top of being really short, not very pretty, and being a neat freak. I'm not saying people can't find him attractive, but fujoshi bait he isn't. Then again, I'm a straight guy. So what the hell do I know? 
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Neo_Crimson posted:Then again, I'm a straight guy. So what the hell do I know? According to society this is the biggest sin you can commit! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) ----------------
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AnonSpore posted:vvv what the hell are you even talking about I think Griff Lee forgot he wasn't in GBS and started gimmickposting. I agree that Levi's popularity is kind of baffling, though.
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Griff Lee posted:According to society this is the biggest sin you can commit! I think Levi wasn't designed as fujoshi bait, but accidentally stumbled into many of those tropes. I'm sure that if he didn't exist, the fujoshi fanbase would have recast Jean in his place, or Erwin, or any other authority figure who could creep all over their subordinates.
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no don't send him to the feminism thread I'm a lady and I like Attack on Titan because the plot is engaging and its female characters are actually characters?  It's not progressive but it doesn't have to be to stand out, unfortunately.Squidster posted:Shoot, I've completely forgotten when Historia found out about Ymir. How long was it between Ymir outing herself as the biggest lesbian to Historia and the SC discovering it?
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Haha, that ended in the best possible way. Seriously though, I think the whole Tumblr fangirl thing is a small fraction of women who enjoy the anime/manga. I wouldn't use their obsession over Levi as evidence of anything.
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Nov 11, 2013 05:33
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The Japanese fandom also has no shortage of Levi fangirls and works catering to their tastes. It's certainly one component of the series' remarkable popularity, as far as I can tell.
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Isn't Levi literally the most popular character in the entire series though? I thought they actually changed a few scenes in the anime to include him just because of that.
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I like Levi because by all outward appearances he's the archetypical shonen badass who only cares about being STRONG and KILLING THINGS and if you die it's because you're WEAK, but the comic actually shows that while he's pretty cold and ruthless, he's actually a human being who cares about other people.
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