Podcast/The F-Plus posted:

Crowning Moment of Funny: The fact that this podcast made fun of TV Tropes for having dumb nonsensical tropes such as "crowning moment of funny" and yet some tropers still decided to add it to the podcast's TV Tropes page.

Djeser posted:

A massive load of crap.

Djeser posted:

Saint Drogo posted:

They don't have work to improve. Most of them don't produce anything beyond what they write to take part in forum games. TVtropes isn't a writer's community, or even a community with a higher number of wannabe-writers in it than anywhere else geeks congregate. That's why ninjaxenomorph's "attacking our creativity??" was so funny - not counting the occasional internet tip of the hat from creators who are vaguely aware of the site, the biggest creative successes from the TVTropes community are a Neon Genesis Evangelion/Warhammer 40k crossover fanfic, a rewrite of the first Harry Potter book by a maniac who wishes he was autistic and the line "the dickgirls opened fire".

Flesnolk posted:

What evidence is there for Harmon/Abed?

Calaveron posted:

For Harmon, the fact that he's apparently a thin-skinned babyman who self-diagnosed with Aspergers and CANNOT take any criticism.

Calaveron posted:

For Harmon, the fact that he's apparently a thin-skinned babyman who self-diagnosed with Aspergers and CANNOT take any criticism.

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“‘Course not. I should actually tell this when my mind’s more clear, but, some barbarians are born that way, they can’t be, like, stealthy class thingies and stuff, you get what I’m saying. You know they’re born that way because they sometimes go into berserker mode. Now, when they’re in berserker mode, they like to kill and murder things. The only way to stop them is to, you know, distract them. Or ‘distract’ them.”

Razorwired posted:

Bolding to highlight something Tropers do that pisses me off to no end. They literally think of fiction in terms of an RPG. It was best illustrated by the guy who completely stopped his story because his hero "took too much damage and doesn't have enough healing potions". They cannot distinguish between playing a game and writing a story. Roman the Amazing isn't a master of illusions that's renowned for his ability to change his appearance. He's a level 8 Wizard that took Spell Focus: Illusion and prepares Masterful Disguise as a 3rd level spell. Tad Swolington can't just be the greatest brawler in the land and have the strength of ten men. He has to have an 18 Strength which means his punch inflicts x+n-q Newtons of force which means

crowfeathers posted:

That one was especially baffling to me, because even if you wanted to be really technical and specific in how your fantasy magic and medicine work (and some readers eat that stuff up, so I can't say it's specifically a Troper thing), that still doesn't pose a problem because you can go back and add things to the story you wrote. Either have the guy pull one out that he was "saving for when he needed it" or just go back to chapter two, have the dude find a potion or something, and then have him use it. But no, gotta keep going forwards, can't go back to the beginning ever.

Count Chocula posted:

There was apparently some evidence that Community creator Dan Harmon is/was a Troper (Abed definitely is). I like the show, but that wouldn't really challenge the idea of Tropers as thin-skinned and emotionally immature.

Metal Loaf posted:

I've heard that Jim Butcher dropped by the site once or twice and might have posted in their forum.

Flesnolk posted:

So far Google's turned up nothing on the subject except TVT's actual Jim Butcher pages, but I've heard the books are really... troper-y for lack of a better word? Plus they practically worship his stuff so I wouldn't be surprised.

Seoinin posted:

Funny thing is, I thought Harry Dresden was supposed to come off as a dopey loser and overall mook.

Flesnolk posted:

So far Google's turned up nothing on the subject except TVT's actual Jim Butcher pages, but I've heard the books are really... troper-y for lack of a better word? Plus they practically worship his stuff so I wouldn't be surprised.

Geokinesis posted:

The Dresden books are trashy fantasy in a similar way to Laurell K Hamilton's stuff, kind of fun to read if you don't want anything mentally taxing but you'd want to avoid the hardcore fans.

AlbieQuirky posted:

Let's not say things we can't take back. Butcher can be an idiot (giant parking lot at Wrigley Field?) but I've never seen the level of sloppiness in his stuff that is routine in Hamilton's last dozen books.

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Once upon a time, there was a necromancer/animator/vampire executioner living in The Unmasqued World. She was a Chaste Hero who moved among the various vampires, werewolves, fairies, other were-animals, etc. in her world, solving crimes and kicking rear end. Though she repeatedly said "I don't date vampires, I kill them" (well, vampires who are getting up to terribly bad things, anyway), she ended up being blackmailed into dating one, as well as a werewolf, leading to an infamous Love Triangle. First she slept with one. Then the other. Then she took some time off to think about things.

Then came the novel Narcissus in Chains, which turned Anita a living member of Belle Morte's line. Books after this one usually require Anita to sleep with her male harem. This has led to a Broken Base, is considered Jumping the Shark, Hatedom, etc., etc.

For most of the books, the basic storyline is as follows:

Anita is at her "day job" and meets up with a shady, suspicious character that she suspects is up to no good, who tries to hire her for something. Her unscrupulous, proudly 'grey hat' boss coerces her into taking the case, while Anita threatens him and the client with either quitting or doing them grievous bodily injury. Anita speaks with her various love interests. Anita is called to a crime scene by the RPIT squad (or other law enforcement, if she's traveling) for some gruesome crime scene that will turn out to be relevant to her own case later on. At some point, she'll need to raise a zombie for something; this may involve using her own blood as a sacrifice in replacement of her preferred (chicken). Anita tries to reconcile being a Christian with being a necromancer. The plot goes on for a while longer before Anita finds out that the person who hired her in the beginning is the real Big Bad. She kills a bunch of vampires/monsters/people, overdoes her new magical ability, and wakes up in the hospital. In the later books, expect sex to be included somewhere, as Anita essentially becomes a succubus.

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The Anita Blake series is another famous example of this. Unlike the Merry Gentry series (which pretty much started off as porn), the Blake series initially started as the adventures of a professional necromancer who alternatively hunted and enjoyed sexual tension with the creatures of the night. Then around book six, the sexy times got ramped up to the point where they devoured the book, leaving little space for the actual plot. Many consider the breaking point to be author Laurel K. Hamilton's divorce from her husband.

Apple Tree posted:

(I also suspect that the hardcore fans are already getting their rationalised porn and don't need to hang around on TVTropes. Or maybe it's just that they're mostly women and all the boys' club doesn't appeal to them.)

SALT CURES HAM posted:

Or maybe it's just atrocious. (spoilers: her poo poo is atrocious)

SALT CURES HAM posted:

I hang around fantasy neckbeards of all genders and not one has admitted to liking her stuff. There are Wild Cards fans that I know and yet nobody will touch her poo poo with a fifty foot pole.

Apple Tree posted:

Anyone got any content?

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This Troper would like to say that, as a fan of the Dark Age, it makes me feel EXTREMELY alienated and frankly angry to hear everyone constantly ragging on it. Personal history: I grew up in the 90s, and my first comics were Youngblood, X-Force, Wetworks etc. I loved early 90s Image and Marvel stuff—and you know what, I liked Rob Liefeld and I even like "bad girl" art. Yeah, I said it, I prefer Liefeld and Jim Lee and Todd Mc Farland and the like to some of the "classics" like Perez or Kirby. And yes I read it—and read it—for the tits and guns and action, I don't feel "stupider" for admitting that nor should I. Frankly, it strikes me as childish and myopic to talk of overt sex, sexualization, violence, etc as things we should just pretend don't exist in "polite company". There is nothing wrong with a healthy sex drive or wanting a visceral thrill. The Silver Age was fun FOR KIDS but unless you're completely dishonest it was incredibly sterile, myopic, filled with racism and misogyny and to be quite honest it was disturbing in many, many cases. Maybe the covers lied a lot, but the fact that many of them featured CHILDREN in compromising positions with adults (eg, skinny dipping with Batman and Superman, sitting spread eagle on a battleship cannon like it was their penis, etc) and for all the talk of "too much sex" in the Dark Age it had none of that. I can TOTALLY understand people liking the campy and yes Narmy aspects of the Silver Age and Golden Age, but why should people like this Troper and his friends have to feel like outcasts because we enjoy some T and A, or watching people with big guns shoot aliens or whatever? I never understood why we get so much grief. I'll admit all of the "excesses" (though I don't consider them excessive per se) of the 90s, but my question is, so what? It's the same argument I would make about Dead or Alive or Gears of War today: yes it's very sexualized, yes its all about tits and gore...so? What right does anyone have to be discriminatory? What right do you have to judge me? I guess my question is, who died and made you God? The fact the entire Dark Age page reads like a treatise by Linkara on why he hates Image comics is a perfect example of what I mean.

Flesnolk posted:

So far Google's turned up nothing on the subject except TVT's actual Jim Butcher pages, but I've heard the books are really... troper-y for lack of a better word? Plus they practically worship his stuff so I wouldn't be surprised.

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This Troper would like to say that, as a fan of the Dark Age, it makes me feel EXTREMELY alienated and frankly angry to hear everyone constantly ragging on it.

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Personal history: I grew up in the 90s, and my first comics were Youngblood, X-Force, Wetworks etc. I loved early 90s Image and Marvel stuff

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—and you know what, I liked Rob Liefeld and I even like "bad girl" art. Yeah, I said it, I prefer Liefeld

a travelling HEGEL posted:

Cool, another person who realizes that the period after the fall of the Western Roman Empire wasn't just a barbarian wasteland, but instead saw many unique and interesting cultures, which

Aw, nuts. Well, let's see what they have to s

Djeser posted:

Almost two weeks into November and we've hardly talked about tropers' novels-in-progress? For shame.


NaNoWriMo: "If they did it more quietly it would be a bit more quiet"

oh boy oh boy this story is ~quirky~

Now we know where all that hard work worldbuilding goes!

They were amazed by the view, which had trees with some mountains behind it.

"Wow, amazing find, Delta." - No eight year old ever

I'm just going to start skipping around.

It's a good thing I'm still interested in hearing about your dull and cliche monkeycheese Fantasy Kitchen Sink Troperrific Lampshade Sale worldbuilding.

I was seriously just pulling this one for the dialogue, but I got a bonus, more lovely worldbuilding!

They went through various landscapes, from Final Fantasy 5 to Final Fantasy 6.

This is after the part where all the girls get high and joke about masturbating. YOUNG ADULT AUDIENCE!!!

No joke for about the last twenty pages it seems like they're just getting high and/or horny

This is setting off some warning bells but I'm sure I'm just expecting the worst.

"You know what would be great?" said an actual girl who was hot, "Making out with a hot girl." Another girl who was also real said, "Yeah, though we're not lesbians." "Of course," the girl said while taking off her top for the kissing. "If we were then we couldn't have sex with men." The second girl took off her bra and did it really slow so it was sexy. "Girls should make out all of the time, because it's a double standard that everyone benefits from." They started to push their tongues together. "Checkmate, feminism!" the second girl moaned in lust and pleasure for her dream man while touching her chest and tongue all over the first girl.

Dozerfleet posted:

Protest of DeviantArt’s “Spirit Day”: Who are the REAL Bullies???

Well, I have an obligation here to be the bearer of bad news. Since the militant Crooked Rainbow turned “bullying” into a buzzword, it has come to mean very strictly “literally anything that disagrees with our agenda.”

Is that an agenda worth defending, let alone participating in? Biology screams no. Studies, like the courageous Mark Regenerus’ study, scream no. Mankind was created male and female. Period. All these disorientations being sold today are not how God made ANYONE. They’re the results of ADAM. That’s right. Genesis is LITERAL HISTORY! And when you throw it out, the result is theological chaos. And that includes understandings of sexuality.

Now, with that established, let’s look at DA’s “Spirit Day” opposition to “bullying” with some further scrutiny…

When I grew up, simply disagreeing with someone or denying them something they wanted did not automatically equal “bullying.” To be a bully, you had to actually form a mob to surround an individual and call them names. It had to be a regularly occurring thing. And there was no reason. Not until 1996 or so were the kids at my school particularly aware that this thing called homosexuality even existed. Bullies didn’t usually pick on the kid who had the weirdest sexual interests. Those kids were usually the bullies themselves.

No. The kid who got picked on the most was the one who most wanted to play by the rules, or who came from the most evangelical family. The diplomat was the one who got to take it. Oh yeah…and when there were no teachers around, name-calling and circling of wagons wasn’t enough. Things had to escalate to full-scale physical assault. Often, there was no specific reason for it. It was something that was done just because it was fun the last time it was done.

So sexuality is not the cause of actual bullying. Sadism is the cause. And I went to a school with a bunch of sadistic little brats. Who, sure enough, had parents who believed their kids could do no wrong. And with some of those kids, the parents were a-holes themselves.

See…here’s the thing: I did not, to my memory, EVER consider suicide as an option for dealing with things. I usually considered talking to authority figures about what happens when they leave the room. Or, I’d try to trick the harassing party into doing something to me where they’d get caught doing it. The latter trick usually worked, and then those kids reacted by getting smarter about not getting caught.

But that was the 90s. Fast-forward to today. Even as the so-called “anti-bullying” crowd preaches high and mighty, even on DeviantArt, it turns out that the only thing they mean by “anti-bullying” is “a world devoid of any resistance to sexual perversions, and devoid of any resistance of any sort to those who have an agenda to force them on everyone else.”

That SAME “anti-bullying” crowd seems to think it’s okay to take those who refuse to compromise on moral grounds and on definitions of what’s real, and to not only bully those crowds for real, but escalate it to stalking. But somehow, the straights who are victims of gay-on-straight violence are to be ignored? How is that fair?

Since I don’t trust DeviantArt to call attention to the problem, I’d doing so here. Let’s list off some examples from very recently of how this argument works both ways:

1. Mark Regenerus. He was cleared of all charges of wrongdoing. But the effort to destroy his credit rating, destroy his career, destroy him personally, was astronomically epic. Why? Because his study proved the obvious, and a small handful of lesbians who were bad mothers didn’t want to admit that they really were bad mothers? Meanwhile, a woman who *should* have been charged with academic misconduct performed a study in 1995 in which she considered less than half as many variables as Regenerus. She threw out as “problemmatica” anything that didn’t fit her hypothesis. She sampled only lesbians, not gay men. And she also sampled only her close friends. And had no control group for the study. And for years, that 1995 “study” was viewed as “authoritative.” Sickeningly dishonest, the doublethink of those who wanted to destroy Regenerus.

2. Jennifer Keaton. Her school demanded she write a paper glorifying the evils of Crookedism, and calling for it to be forcefully imposed on public policy. Instead, she wrote a paper on why she could not in good conscience do so, spelling how numerous factors, her personal religious beliefs included, forbade her from doing so. And she was expelled from school. And subjected to a re-enactment of the Diet of Worms in which the school demanded she recant everything she’d ever written in life. And they had the *nerve* to call *her* the “bully,” even as the actual bullies destroyed her college career for daring to disagree with them on a single issue. That she was denied several appeals speaks to how vindictive the Crooked Rainbow really is.

3. Brad Pitt’s mom. She dares to state publicly that she disagrees with her son on Crooked Pseudomarriage. And gets…DEATH THREATS??? Yes, she started being stalked and her very life threatened over the phone, which is a felony, all because she does not believe redefining marriage is in the best interest of anyone in particular. Excuse me? Who are the bullies in this scenario?

4. A video on YouTube. The REAL Bullies are the Crookeds themselves, it would seem. The militant lobbies, at least. Free speech, if it interferes with their agenda in the minutest way, must cease to be free. A video on YouTube was pulled because it exposed Harvey Milk, patron saint of the Church of Same-Sex Perversion, to be…*drum roll*…a prolific mass serial child molester! Which he was! And sure enough, he was also tied to the Jim Jones Cult. And to the founders of NAMBLA. And to the Pink Swastika, whose members were behind the founding of GLSEN and NAMBLA both! And speaking of the Pink Swastika…I’ll get to them in a minute. But surprise! The truth about Harvey Milk is that he was one of the most vile pederasts to ever walk the Earth. But since that’s not convenient, the lobbies decided free speech shouldn’t be free anymore. So…who’s the really bully in *this* scenario?

5. Teachers in the UK. It turns out, British teachers don’t even have to say anything CRITICAL of in-your-face same-sex perversion. If they so much as *not incorporate endorsement of it into every single class subject*, they can be fired from their jobs now. So much for tolerance.

6. Paris Hilton. I never thought I’d see the day that I came to Paris Hilton’s defense. When she stated the obvious, that gays who are promiscuous are at a high risk for getting AIDS, the knives came out. Now, Paris has never struck me as particularly bright. But even Paris understands basic common sense that promiscuity is risky business. She ought to know. Her attackers had NO CASE. Studies have shown that gays ARE at higher risk for HIV than their straight equivalents; but that promiscuity is bad for both. Since the immune system benefits of straight sex are reversed in the case of gay sex, it should come as no surprise that disease is more likely. That’s not “hate speech,” that’s biology! Since when did it become a crime to tell a stunt man that his stunts could get him killed? Apparently, since the stunts became part of a politically-protected group of sexual perverts, who cannot tolerate *anything* that would prevent them from recruiting children and convincing those children - as young as kindergarten - that “only good things are in store.”

7. Twitter Users. Yes, I get annoyed as well when someone on Twitter misuses words like “gay” to mean things those words don’t mean. That doesn’t mean I started liking Crookedism. What it DOES mean, however, is that I strongly dislike the continued degeneration of the English language. But for Crookeds, who imagine persecution against them to be literally everywhere, this isn’t good enough. Nor is simply ignoring an idiot who says his girlfriend’s purse is “so gay.” No…they had to take it to the *next level*! They formed the sight “No-Homophobes,” which is all about…*drum roll*…STALKING the idiot that insulted his girlfriend’s purse. Now, every Crooked in the world knows about that guy’s Twitter account, and can swarm him like rabid flying monkeys.

8. California teenagers. If they have intrusive thoughts brought on by an evil school system, and obsessive disorders as well, then they’re not allowed to seek help. They’re instead OBLIGATED to start sticking their parts where they were never designed to go. Anyone who *dares* come to the kid’s rescue can now be PROSECUTED. Including parents. How many souls must be forever destroyed in the interests of political correctness? Apparently, far too many. But that’s now official policy in California’s legislature. Not surprisingly, many are now leaving California’s new pro-gay tyranny.

9. A 14-year-old on YouTube. She told Congress that she sees no benefit to redefining marriage. And for that, the creeps on YouTube threatened to hunt her down and kill her. They also threatened her parents. Wait…I thought the gays were supposed to be the victims of bullying here? What?

10. Sheila Matthews. Another innocent individual who didn’t let the Crookeds and their agenda crawl all over her. And for having the gall to have a sense of dignity, they set out to destroy her career and defame her to the whole world.

11. Homeschoolers in Canada. If you live in Canada and you homeschool, and you even one time read from Leviticus in front of your children, the state can haul you away, treating you like you’re the KKK, while they themselves act like it with their brutality towards you. And then, they disappear your children. And the government in Canada thinks this sick doublethink is perfectly okay. Shame on that tyranny!

12. Kindergarteners. The UN, in the interests of “promoting diversification,” namely, promoting every perversion known to man, now advocates that schools drop the ABCs and focus on teaching five-year-olds how to masturbate. http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/082509_unesco.pdf

13. Children in the streets of Philadelphia. That’s right. The “Tolerance Brigade,” believes that they’re not really doing their job unless they’re performing lewd acts in public, deliberately right in front of small children. At this year’s pride parade, they talked a few cops into looking the other way and not enforcing the law. So sexual anarchy prevailed in the streets of Philly. Even when children were being sold pornography right out in the open, the law was not enforced.

14. More children. The ACLU, in the interests of protecting Crookedism, demanded schools in Indiana remove their gay porn filters. Suddenly, stories erupt that children are sexually assaulting one another in school, acting out the scenarios seen in the BDSM gay porn they are now able to download, because they’ve been told this stuff is the “most awesome thing on earth.” Good call, ACLU. Straight kids are now being bullied by little bratty perverts, and even outright raped and sodomized. But it’s only “bullying” when straights tell gays to get their act right? That does not seem right.

15. Pro-traditional marriage demonstrators. Yes, they’ve told their tales on YouTube. I’ve seen how Crookeds hunt these types down, and brutalize them, even smashing beer bottles over their heads. Who are the REAL bullies here???

I could go on. But who are these Crooked militants?

Once upon a time, there was a very evil man named Marquis de Sade. He specialized in claiming that nobody could rationally argue against anything he did. When proven wrong, he’d ignore it. If he stumped someone with his audacity, he rejoiced in it. He used this charade as an excuse to go around kidnapping children and prostitutes. He would torture them, sodomize them, and do other unspeakably evil things to them. He is the origin of the terms “Sadean” and “Sadistic.” He was eventually executed - but not before winning disciples in the under-the-radar gay community in France and Germany.

These men, brutal as all Hell, became the Sadeans, the disciples. At least 1 in every 20 was a pedophile, a statistic that rings true of modern homosexuality. They would tolerate no dissent of their activities, and would attack with the ferocity of wolves if anyone dared tell them to stop their torture of women and children - or of each other. Theirs was some of the most heinous pornography in existence, and they were proud of the fact. Cannibalism, murder, incest, bestiality - everything was up for grabs.

When Hitler took the stage, he saw gays as falling into two camps: the “manly” Sadeans, and the effeminates. The Effeminates were Soviet sympathizers, and he could not have that. They had to wear pink triangles, and be executed, lest they invite Soviet infiltration. But as for the Sadeans? These men could carry out orders with a brutality that no other man was capable of. Therefore, Hitler hired them to be his goon squads. These Sadeans became the Pink Swastika, feared throughout all of Germany. It is rumored that Hitler himself may have become part of their order. After all, he only married a woman right as he was about to commit suicide. And his suicide was not because he was being “bullied,” but out of defiance because the Allies were about to bring him to justice for his crimes. It was stubborn defiance, not resolve to make things right, that led to a despairing Hitler making that call. Hmmm…..

Now, this Pink Swastika knew that to avenge the Third Reich, they’d need to infiltrate American academia. But…how ever were they to do it? Enter Mr. Green, who made it easy to infiltrate European academia. However this “Mr. Green” was, he was one of the most prolific serial child molesters that ever lived, raping even more children than Harvey Milk and the Jim Jones Cult. Mr. Green had a friend, a disturbed quack of a zoologist named Alfred Kinsey. Kinsey hired a man with no real experience at statistics to be his statistician. And with Kinsey’s help, the Pink Swastika gained the means to re-write the rules of reality itself - at least in their own minds.

The Pink Swastika knew their real identity would go nowhere in the US. So they chose the more innocuous-sounding name of GLSEN. And then GLSEN had some other buddies from the Pink Swastika that became NAMBLA. The two decided to pretend in public that they were not affiliated with each other, to see how many were fooled. And then went about their not-so-separate ways.

Their deceptions have traveled far and wide, leading to LGBT groups corrupting the minds of countless souls all over the world. And in 2012, far too many have had to reap the bad fruits which Marquis de Sade had once sown. And perhaps not-so-ironically, the “anti-bullying” crowd is the very first to bully anyone who still believes in free speech. Including this journal entry.

I shall be interested to see how this pans out.