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I'm not gonna lie: between the inclusion of Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy and the page image being the Achewood strip about Nice Pete's Bible fanfiction, The Bible fanfic recs page may be the least terrible TVT fanfic recs page I've seen yet. And no mpreg!
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Antivehicular posted:And no mpreg! Yet.
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Antivehicular posted:I'm not gonna lie: between the inclusion of Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy and the page image being the Achewood strip about Nice Pete's Bible fanfiction, The Bible fanfic recs page may be the least terrible TVT fanfic recs page I've seen yet. And no mpreg! If TVtropes was a more self aware site, I'd call that page a joke.
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Nov 16, 2013 02:27
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Fuego Fish posted:Oh, well, that's somehow even stupider. At least magic phasing bullets, while a severely terrible idea, would be interesting as a kind of secret assassin's tool. But turning gunfights into steampunk paintball matches? That's just kind of sad. Well, we already know what these shootouts would be like. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H84NXehLjSE
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Nov 16, 2013 05:34
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Looking at the Problem With Poetry PDF. Was very happy to discover the troper produced music linked there. http://blixtyslycat.bandcamp.com/track/theydidnotknow This is a fantastic theme for TVTropes. A bunch of totally disparate elements, executed poorly, smashed together with no concern for the outcome. Twice he introduces "tension" by making a thing happen faster, then drops it without any resolution or climax.
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Nov 16, 2013 06:10
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Dr Pepper posted:If TVtropes was a more self aware site, I'd call that page a joke. I think it was written when they still allowed jokes and the crazy hugboxers haven't gotten to it yet.
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Nov 16, 2013 08:30
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I think it was written when they still allowed jokes and the crazy hugboxers haven't gotten to it yet. Nonsense, they still allow jokes! Haven't you seen those horrifically unfunny Waldorf and Statler imitations at the bottoms of some pages? 
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Nov 16, 2013 08:31
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They actually dedicated an entire loving article to something in an FPS being unrealistic. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OneBulletClips quote:One thing that videogames have come to acknowledge is that if you have three hundred rounds for your pistol, you can't just shoot it three hundred times without a break, since most weapons aren't belt-fed. Today, almost all games with firearms require a reload period while an animation shows the player character removing the previous magazine and inserting a new one. So now it's totally realistic, right? Um, well...  Guys did you know that reloading doesn't work like in FPSes? It's true! See, you can't just throw away the mag unless it's completely empty, you have to eject the spent rounds and it's even worse with revolvers because they don't bother to show the rounds being chambered and...Leave it to TVTropes to bitch about modern war shooters having unrealistic reloading, instead of actual serious issues like kneejerk wanking over imperialistic American foreign policy.
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Firefly is nerdbait of the highest order. A fairly good sci-fi show that was cut short, it has been elevated into the pantheon of nerdom because of: 1) Joss Whedon 2) Its cult status (nerds love obscure poo poo) 3) Nerd-pandering archetypical characters, relating to 4) Joss Whedon Let's see what TVTropes has to say about it! We make a lot of how the troper use of tropes are ultimately reductive, pigeonholing context-critical writing into contextless boxes. But we take a look at the character descriptions, and they do a surprisingly good job of fitting into character tropes. Now, we can get a little chicken-and-eggy here, and argue whether Joss Whedon character type or Joss Whedon fansite character trope came first. Still, being able to accurately boil down characters and their motivations to a series of short descriptors says something about the depth of the characters. The acting in the show is good, but one of my biggest complaints of the show was that the characters themselves were kind of static. Despite the cast having good chemistry, and a plot that would have forced most characters to develop, they just...didn't (for the most part). quote:Awesome Anachronistic Apparel: It is a space western... with T-Shirts, corporate logos, the occasional mongol raider-style hat and space hookers. Of course everyone looks awesome! Yep, character designs weren't chosen to help define characters and their histories, it was just chosen to exude cool. It's an example of the nerd relation with signifiers - a person doesn't make a signifier cool, a person is inherently cool because they wear the signifier. quote:Cool Gun: It's a Space Western. There are dozens of 'em. Weird, I thought I was on a site designed to help users know how fiction worked. quote:Covert Pervert: Both Kaylee and River like to watch. River even participates, after a fashion. At the end of the movie, she DOES watch... Kaylee and her brother, which spawned at least two fanfics. I'm not sure if this sentence says more about Whedon or tropers. quote:Father, I Want to Marry My Brother: In a deleted scene for "Our Mrs. Reynolds", River tries to convince Shepherd Book to marry her and Simon. Oh. No wonder tropers like Whedon so much. quote:Filk Song: Mal's Song ,by Michelle Dockrey, incorporates the series theme song as the chorus. What does this even have to do with the show? I notice that "Chekhov's Gun", "Continuity Nod" and "Foreshadowing" are separate tropes, but use the same example. quote:Genre Savvy: Abso-gorram-lutely everyone. This is another thing that bugs me about the show (and Whedon's work in general). It's not just genre savvy, it's so self-aware. For tropers, that passes as wit, for everyone else, it's just annoying. quote:Like Brother and Sister: ...Mal repeatedly acts the part of an older brother to Kaylee, particularly apparent in "Shindig". In the movie, he invokes Brain Bleach when Kaylee mentions having to rely on batteries for a year, in the movie. Though, to be fair, almost everyone treats Kaylee like a little sister, but it's usually more Mal and, to an extent, Inara. I'm not sure I like the framing of this in the context of the whole River/Simon thing. quote:Playing With A Trope No explanation given, just that doing stuff with tropes is a trope. Oh TVTropes, you're sooooo meta  quote:Quote Overdosed: It is very quotable. You can not stop with just one. Being quotable is also a trope. No wonder tropers are so focused on writing badass lines, it's a trope! quote:Uptight Loves Wild: Simon and Kaylee. Inara and Mal are a milder example. Just sayin' but I think this is backwards??? Weird, looks like they managed to get through Firefly without really getting hung up on rape (4-5 brief, unremarkable mentions) or poop (1 mention). They are kind of awkward with Kaylee and her strawberries, though. Then again, it could be because the trope page was just so loving LONG that my eyes glossed over it. Seriously, it took nearly 45 minutes to read the drat thing. I'll leave the Fanfic Recs, Haiku, and other associated fluff pages for later. Venusian Weasel fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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I've got a new and original setting for you guys.quote:I've been thinking about writing a story set in a Wizarding School. Here's what I have so far: I really want to meet the person who goes to magic school and just takes Home Ec classes. Now, you may have noticed some slight resemblance to Harry Potter! But don't worry, because this is "Wizarding School -- NOT a Harry Potter ripoff", so all is well. quote:"all girls school".. so lacrosse and horses makes sense, but to me "magic sports" sounds pretty Harry Potter. how about a magic glee club or something?
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Nov 16, 2013 11:45
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What was the name of that troper RPG setting? Our World or something like that? I've been trying to find it, since its a rich vein of awful.
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When I try to write my stories sometimes I get super self-conscious about things like "what if tropers read this attempt at commercial genre fiction and get all creepy spergrape over it?" Then I console myself that I'll always be under anybody's radar and I'm not important enough to gently caress with and why would they bother. Then I see them getting creepy stalker over people who make anime review videos and I realize that nothing is too small for these fuckers to sperg over. I shouldn't let it bug me so much, but the average folk who wanders onto TvTropes might think it's just kind of a cute clever way of categorizing fiction. It gives this image of general affability and media savvy when really it's like an autism fueled homunculus formed of the dumpster babies of post modern thought and it seeks to do nothing more than suck all of the creativity out of art and media. It's like creating a museum of body parts with no concept of how they fit together to form a human being.
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Nov 16, 2013 12:31
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Robotnik Nudes posted:When I try to write my stories sometimes I get super self-conscious about things like "what if tropers read this attempt at commercial genre fiction and get all creepy spergrape over it?" Well, all you have to do is talk about how Tropers aren't good writers and they'll give you exactly what you want.
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I've been watching Breaking Bad lately, so I thought I'd give a look and see what tropers think of a show about how a guy's obsession with appearing manly and badass drives him to do progressively more monstrous things and wreaks havoc on the life of everybody around him. They think it's about a BadAss
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Nov 16, 2013 14:08
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What do tropers not really understand? Sports! Favorite lines from your own writing posted:Do you play? Christina said. Women! Favorite lines from your own writing posted:[Sean:] I dont seem to recall anybody getting a million-dollar contract just to watch birds.
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Nov 16, 2013 14:38
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That line about baseball is absolutely rich, given the wealth of beautifully written nonfiction describing the game. Hell, even Star Trek can describe it in a poignant way. Guess you still can't expect tropers to have either writing skill or empathetic capabilities or the ability to move past 10th grade.
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Nothing makes a character more relatable and likable than seeing them encourage someone to discuss their hobbies, and then proceeding to mock and belittle those hobbies.
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But... sport is SUPPOSED to be trivial when taken in a vacuum. That's the point isn't it? Taking a trivial, arbitrary pursuit with meaningless rules and imbuing it with the power of the human spirit and the joy of a shared experience. You can't do that with something that has it's own external importance.
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Also, most things sound stupid when you deliberately try to describe them in the most obtuse way possible. "Writing? You mean scratching out scribbly lines with graphite on a piece of tree flesh? Yeah, sounds fun." 
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My opinions on sports is pretty much the same as any given out-of-shape nerd who wasn't well liked by the jocky-jocks, but that quote is more than enough to make me into a die-hard fan if it means distancing myself from that guy. I can only hope that he thinks tabletop games are a height of human interaction with a rich, storied past just to make the cognitive dissidence complete.Finisher1 posted:Did you mean to say dissonance or was that intentional? Because either way, I like this version better. It was intentional. I totally didn't just pick the first word I saw when I did spell checking. MizPiz fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Nov 16, 2013 |
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Nov 16, 2013 18:56
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MizPiz posted:cognitive dissidence Did you mean to say dissonance or was that intentional? Because either way, I like this version better.
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Maybe a bit of cognitive diffidence would've helped.
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Nov 16, 2013 20:04
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Fast Eddy and the Cognitive Dissidents, playing at an Anime Con near you.
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Bongo Bill posted:Maybe a bit of cognitive diffidence would've helped.
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Thinky Whale posted:I've been watching Breaking Bad lately, so I thought I'd give a look and see what tropers think of a show about how a guy's obsession with appearing manly and badass drives him to do progressively more monstrous things and wreaks havoc on the life of everybody around him. To be fair, that interpretation of Breaking Bad isn't remotely limited to tropers. A lot of other idiots think it's supposed to be a story about the great Heisenberg owning all his enemies, even though the show pretty much tells you outright that's not what it is on multiple occasions. I mean, it still doesn't excuse tropers from missing the point, especially since they view themselves as so much more media savvy than the hoi polloi. Chexoid posted:Also, most things sound stupid when you deliberately try to describe them in the most obtuse way possible. "Acting? Isn't that just grown-rear end adults putting on make-up and costumes, reading stuff other people wrote and playing pretend? How childish  "
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"Video games? Isn't that just pressing buttons to make pixels on a screen change color in a way that resembles movement?"
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"Sex? Isn't that just rubbing genitals together?"
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"TV Tropes? Isn't that a bunch of socially awkward people obsessed with rape and Joss Whedon?"
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Keromaru5 posted:"Video games? Isn't that just pressing buttons to make pixels on a screen change color in a way that resembles movement?" They made a game about that. Surprisingly, that game's page isn't  terrible, just kind of shittily laid out between the source mod, the demo, and the HD remake.The Wild Mass Guessing (i.e. retarded fan theory) page does have this gem: quote:The Stanley Parable 1/2 quote:Assumeing 1 is true then The narrator is actuly 2/2
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I mean, it still doesn't excuse tropers from missing the point, especially since they view themselves as so much more media savvy than the hoi polloi. I'm fascinated because it's such a distillation of everything wrong with the troper approach, since the whole thing that makes the show so good is subtlety and the conflict between how people want to appear and how they are. Because with tropers, everything is surface value. The fact that there might be more to what a character says than the most obvious meaning is not even on the radar. It's a total rejection of what literary devices are. Though even they get it here and there, there's a few places that are just mind-boggling in the scale of how can you not understand how fiction works. My favorite is their take on that "I am the one who knocks" speech, the one that gets literally contradicted by events right before and right after, the one that shows you how far gone Walt is and the huge gap between his perception of himself and reality. TVTropes calls it a: quote:Badass Boast \/\/\/ I didn't see that. That makes me feel a little bit better about the world 
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To be fair, on the actual Badass Boast page, they sayquote:The one quoted below is actually a subversion that shows how deep in denial he is in season four - he insists to Skyler that he has everything under control, when Gus has him exactly where he wants him. Still, you can hardly expect tropers to read their own drat site and agree on what a trope is or how it applies to one thing or another.
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Yo I haven't read this thread since page 25 so if anyone's said anything for me to look at I've missed it, but I did find a classic image on my PC the other day. Never gets old.
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We have always been at war with Something Awful.
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Namtab posted:Yo I haven't read this thread since page 25 so if anyone's said anything for me to look at I've missed it, but I did find a classic image on my PC the other day. What article was this for?
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Penny Paper posted:What article was this for?
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quote:The description of Camp Gay makes it pretty clear it's just for fabulous, over-the-top queens; meanwhile, Straight Gay seems to be that you wouldn't think they were other than heterosexual unless they brought it up or kissed a same-sex person. Where does that leave character who may be a little effeminate, but not campy, whom you would probably know were gay and doesn't mind being obvious about it? It's like they literally cannot conceive of a person whose personality exists beyond the context of a set of plug-and-play modules. Namtab posted:Yo I haven't read this thread since page 25 Start here and run for the endzone.
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Thinky Whale posted:I'm fascinated because it's such a distillation of everything wrong with the troper approach, since the whole thing that makes the show so good is subtlety and the conflict between how people want to appear and how they are. Because with tropers, everything is surface value. The fact that there might be more to what a character says than the most obvious meaning is not even on the radar. It's a total rejection of what literary devices are. Though even they get it here and there, there's a few places that are just mind-boggling in the scale of how can you not understand how fiction works. Is it any coincidence that Walt wears a stupid hat to make himself look more badass and manly? No wonder Tropers love him so much.
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Djeser posted:What do tropers not really understand? Besides the terrible content of the text itself, you have to wonder why these are the troper's "favourite lines" - because they're poo poo. They're not snappy or witty in any way, especially since the first one has a solid paragraph of "boo sports" that has all the grace of a technical manual. Although honestly that's doing a disservice to technical manuals. Considering what a dense turd of over-dialogued prose those quotes are, I'd think that it's just their "favourite lines" because they get to be a smug prick about sports because heh sports 
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I think it honestly comes down to tropers trying too hard to make their stuff come off as witty or memorable, it's a common mistake for inexperienced writers, as is having your characters just plain never shut up. Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit.
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I browsed through their entries for Big Lipped Alligator Moments, basically moments in media that seem to have nothing to do with anything else in said media. It's a thing that arguably happens. But a lot of the time it's clear that Tropers have no idea what themes are and how you might reinforce them by putting in moments that reinforce them without advancing the main story:quote:The Dancing Fire Gang from Labyrinth, though there is a very small reference to them earlier in the film and another in the finale. They still make no major impact on the plot. There's also a scene involving an old man arguing with his talking hat. Both instances feature the main character simply stumbling into some unhelpful creatures and then leaving. (The scene goes on for a bit but it's Thematic Reinforcement 101.) quote:In the 2005 remake of King Kong, we are treated to a monologue by Captain Hayes, who compares the events of the film (somewhat breaking the Fourth Wall) to Heart of Darkness. Neither the book nor its similarities to the film are ever mentioned again. quote:Armageddon has a scene where Ben Affleck sings "Leaving on a Jet Plane" to his girlfriend only for some of his co-workers to join in. This scene only lasts for a few seconds and then they never mention it again. He is literally leaving. quote:In Star Trek: Generations Data, who, until this film, was completely emotionless, randomly starts singing and using his console as a musical instrument while scanning for life forms. Everyone there stops and stares at him then goes back to whatever they were doing, (Riker seems to be thinking 'WTF?' the whole time). In true fashion, no one says anything afterwards. There's also the 'Mr Tricorder' scene where he starts mimicking Picard with a Tricorder and seriously weirding Geordi out. "This has an explanation but I want to add something to the list." quote:Mulholland Drive has a lesbian sex sequence that comes out of nowhere and goes nowhere. THE ROMANCE IS CENTRAL TO THE FILM YOU MORONS quote:The part in the American film version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where flyswatters come out of the sand to smack the protagonists. Though since this is the Vogons' home planet and the flyswatters hit you whenever you have an idea, it does nicely explain the Vogons' personalities of refusing to ever take any initiative without a ton of paperwork. The movie literally explains what these things are but it still makes no sense to you, humble Troper.
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