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Very true - Holmes is being battered by the consequences of his actions. I'm hoping he'll have some emotional growth.
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Dec 6, 2013 10:47
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I don't think the relationship between Holmes and Bell is irreparably damaged, it's just a rough patch before some real growth. Of course Bell is mad because he's living in horrible pain and his life's work is in jeopardy, but when he regains use of his arm and returns to the force he can have the heart to heart with Holmes where he admits to wanting him to stay and that even if he died, it would've been alright because his job is all about helping people and he did that by saving Holmes (and many others by extension). At least that's what I hope happens. They could be writing Bell off for all I know, which would suck. He's a perfect complimentary character that I don't think can be replaced. I guess I could just check IMDB for future episodes and see if he's listed, but out of respect for the show, I'll let it play out in real time.
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Dec 6, 2013 13:08
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The judge halting Sherlock's testimony to debunk his bullshit portrayal of Gregson was hilarious.
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Dec 6, 2013 13:51
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Judge Burrell is awesome. Doing well for himself, even if he's only a judge for the NYPD.
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I liked how the fallout from the investigation came from the theatrics in the office. It always bugs me how in these shows they do that thing where they start raising their voice, threatening to reveal someone's secrets, even letting something slip, and nothing comes of it like everyone in the office is deaf.
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Dec 7, 2013 03:53
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Mr. Fowl posted:I liked how the fallout from the investigation came from the theatrics in the office. It always bugs me how in these shows they do that thing where they start raising their voice, threatening to reveal someone's secrets, even letting something slip, and nothing comes of it like everyone in the office is deaf. That's not exactly a bug. Extras in the background are only there to lend veracity to the scene; it's part of their job not to react to anything the main characters do unless instructed to do so. Meanwhile the main characters have to speak at a certain volume so they can be heard by the audience. It's a convention that was twisted in this instance because JLM is so strident as Holmes.
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Dec 7, 2013 11:09
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Jedit posted:That's not exactly a bug. Extras in the background are only there to lend veracity to the scene; it's part of their job not to react to anything the main characters do unless instructed to do so. Meanwhile the main characters have to speak at a certain volume so they can be heard by the audience. It's a convention that was twisted in this instance because JLM is so strident as Holmes. I think he was saying that he's happy to see some sort of realistic consequences for behavior such as talking in full voices about how some guy used to be a felon at his place of work. It wasn't the performances of any background actor in the scene, it was the writers genuinely appreciating that such a display would likely have some fallout.
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Dec 7, 2013 21:02
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I am always pleased to see actions having real consequences. Sherlock's intelligence working against him is a brilliant story and character hook.
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Dec 7, 2013 21:24
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ashpanash posted:I think he was saying that he's happy to see some sort of realistic consequences for behavior such as talking in full voices about how some guy used to be a felon at his place of work. It wasn't the performances of any background actor in the scene, it was the writers genuinely appreciating that such a display would likely have some fallout. Yeah, this is what I was talking about. That exact "Your boss wouldn't like to know you were a FELON!" scene happens all the time in procedurals, with no fallout.
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Dec 7, 2013 21:33
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I gotta say one thing that really hit me as unrealistic was Dillon only getting shot a couple of times after he shot Bell. If a cop had gotten shot outside an actual NYPD station with a bunch of other cops around, there would have approximately 1200 rounds fired and a couple dozen bystanders going down along with the perp.
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Dec 7, 2013 22:08
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ashpanash posted:I think he was saying that he's happy to see some sort of realistic consequences for behavior such as talking in full voices about how some guy used to be a felon at his place of work. It wasn't the performances of any background actor in the scene, it was the writers genuinely appreciating that such a display would likely have some fallout. I get that he's happy with this scene. I was just saying that when there are no consequences for this happening in other productions it's a convention of the medium, not sloppy writing.
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Jedit posted:I get that he's happy with this scene. I was just saying that when there are no consequences for this happening in other productions it's a convention of the medium, not sloppy writing. Are you obtuse? The original comment was practically "this convention of the medium bugs me." That something is a convention doesn't mean it can't be annoying.
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Dec 8, 2013 03:40
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Man, Bell just gets screwed over all the time in this show. Why don't they put Gregson's rear end on the line for once?
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Dec 8, 2013 03:42
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Snipee posted:Man, Bell just gets screwed over all the time in this show. Why don't they put Gregson's rear end on the line for once? There aren't a lot of things that can threaten Gregson behind his desk. Bell is the guy on the street. We had a Gregson episode like two weeks ago when his wife's home got broken into, it's just not very likely that a captain will be decking bad guys.
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Dec 8, 2013 08:20
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Gregson is great casting, somehow he seems approachable and nice but still when he needs that hard edge it's like BAM!
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Dec 12, 2013 17:59
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Woah that deputy commissioner is super sinister.
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Dec 13, 2013 05:19
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Sherlock’s new protégé gives off a “mole” vibe to me.
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Platystemon posted:Sherlock’s new protégé gives off a “mole” vibe to me. I thought that too!
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Dec 13, 2013 19:17
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I didn't get that impression, but rather that the poor guy was going to be used as a surrogate for Holmes' current problems with Detective Bell. The deputy commissioner's definitely up to something though.
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Dec 13, 2013 19:26
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"And you are?" "Randy..." "Name or adjective?" Petulant, juvenile Sherlock rules.
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Odd question, but does anyone in here also watch Blacklist? We had the two most recent episodes on the other night and I could swear that Blacklist had borrowed Sherlock and Watson's home to film the scenes involving the spies across the street. As much as they love to film that one front door/stairwell shot in Elementary I've practically memorized it, and there was also a hallway and I think one more shot that looked confusingly familiar. Or am I imagining things? 
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mushroom_spore posted:Odd question, but does anyone in here also watch Blacklist? We had the two most recent episodes on the other night and I could swear that Blacklist had borrowed Sherlock and Watson's home to film the scenes involving the spies across the street. As much as they love to film that one front door/stairwell shot in Elementary I've practically memorized it, and there was also a hallway and I think one more shot that looked confusingly familiar. Or am I imagining things? I thought it was p weird that William Sadler had cancer on both shows in the same week
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uublog posted:I thought it was p weird that William Sadler had cancer on both shows in the same week Also that he
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I also watch the Blacklist and I didn't recognize it, but I'm not very observant that way. I don't think I can bring myself to watch any episode a second time to check though.
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A friend threw a dinner party and served Yorkshire pudding! She did watch the newest episode but the menu was already planned. We had a giggle over that! It was delicious btw
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I feel like an idiot. I thought the guy Sherlock was sponsering was really nice and cool (especially after seeing how uncomfortable and unawkward Sherlock was), and I was happy for Bell that he is getting a chance to work elsewhere (although I'm not sure if he's actually getting ready to leave the show). Did I completely read these characters wrong?
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Blind Pineapple posted:"And you are?" I enjoyed that too. "Um...are you asking me if I'm horny?" mushroom_spore posted:Odd question, but does anyone in here also watch Blacklist? We had the two most recent episodes on the other night and I could swear that Blacklist had borrowed Sherlock and Watson's home to film the scenes involving the spies across the street. As much as they love to film that one front door/stairwell shot in Elementary I've practically memorized it, and there was also a hallway and I think one more shot that looked confusingly familiar. Or am I imagining things? I'm catching up on the Blacklist and will try to pay attention. Snipee posted:I feel like an idiot. I thought the guy Sherlock was sponsering was really nice and cool (especially after seeing how uncomfortable and unawkward Sherlock was), and I was happy for Bell that he is getting a chance to work elsewhere (although I'm not sure if he's actually getting ready to leave the show). Did I completely read these characters wrong? I didn't read it as him being a mole either so you aren't alone.
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Snipee posted:I feel like an idiot. I thought the guy Sherlock was sponsering was really nice and cool (especially after seeing how uncomfortable and unawkward Sherlock was), and I was happy for Bell that he is getting a chance to work elsewhere (although I'm not sure if he's actually getting ready to leave the show). Did I completely read these characters wrong? I don't think there's anything weird about the new sponsee, but yeah you read the deputy commissioner wrong. He's running an "intelligence division" i.e. spying and eavesdropping and such. This is probably setting up some kind of plot where Bell has to consider whether the supposed greater good of this division is worth the tactics they employ. And maybe the deputy commissioner is going to be more overtly corrupt as well, I dunno.
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Dec 15, 2013 00:23
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So Judge Phalean has set up a unit dedicated to surveillance? What a coincidence.
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When he said "demographics" and watching "certain people", my first thought was "oh hey it's the leader of the racist division, here to hire a black guy he can point to and say 'no look we're not racist, if we were racist Detective Bell wouldn't have joined up'." Or maybe that's just me?
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The demographics unit is a real thing in the NYPD. Seems to be mostly an excuse to spy on brown people and liberals.
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I just assumed that the show has a few conservative writers and dropped the whole "demographics division" issue at that. Oh, I really like Bell, and I hope things turn out ok.
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Sherlock's nervous "enTER!!" when Randy came over at the end was great. Looking forward to whatever they have planned between those two.
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One idea that seems to make a lot of sense to me would be Bell being the NYPD's extra oversight over Holmes and Watson that was mentioned. He could still be involved in cases, but not have to carry a gun or be a detective in name.
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If this were any other show I'd expect Bell to lose hise job and get hired by Holmes or alternately be Holmes overseer but the writing is generally better than that. It could still happen way down the road but it's too soon for that.
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wormil posted:If this were any other show I'd expect Bell to lose hise job and get hired by Holmes or alternately be Holmes overseer but the writing is generally better than that. It could still happen way down the road but it's too soon for that. I think he'll end up taking the demographics job and find some sort of evil plot going on there and end up having to go to Holmes for help.
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Dec 21, 2013 21:10
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Did anyone ever see the made for TV movies Mr Boogedy in the 80s? I swear the bad guy in the latest ep was the dad from those films. I instantly recognized his voice even though it's been over 20 years since I've seen the flicks.
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GreenNight posted:Did anyone ever see the made for TV movies Mr Boogedy in the 80s? I swear the bad guy in the latest ep was the dad from those films. I instantly recognized his voice even though it's been over 20 years since I've seen the flicks. Yes, Richard Masur was in both. I need to check out Mr. Boogedy again. Man, it's hard to believe that Kristy Swanson, the original Buffy, is now 44 years old.
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