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Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

GoatShaver posted:

Not entirely sure i'm in the right thread for this, but it involves some bitching so...

Sounds like we're switching SANs from Pillar/Oracle, mainly because Pillar was awesome and Oracle can go stand on the side of the building while I drop the SAN off of it, and onto some executives heads. They're not fun, or useful, or anything of the sort.

We're looking at Netapp and EMC (which seems kinda obvious, bigger names) and i'm curious who has experience, gripes, concerns, etc with any of these brands and how you generally feel about them.

We've just moved to Netapp; so far they seem easy to administer and from what I can tell rock-solid. They're extremely popular with the other districts around here too.

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Someone really needs to make a really good cross-platform backup solution that will use S3 as its datastore. Glacier tier storage is dirt cheap.

Paladine_PSoT
Jan 2, 2010

If you have a problem Yo, I'll solve it

SEKCobra posted:

A lot of courses and stuff are part of this job and I need those to stay in my position. Also its not like everyones against me, just that my boss doesnt want to deal with problems and is really short sighted, as well as some of his pals that now work under him being really horrible people.

So they're going to be paying for courses for you or they have and they'll backcharge you?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


GoatShaver posted:

Not entirely sure i'm in the right thread for this, but it involves some bitching so...

Sounds like we're switching SANs from Pillar/Oracle, mainly because Pillar was awesome and Oracle can go stand on the side of the building while I drop the SAN off of it, and onto some executives heads. They're not fun, or useful, or anything of the sort.

We're looking at Netapp and EMC (which seems kinda obvious, bigger names) and i'm curious who has experience, gripes, concerns, etc with any of these brands and how you generally feel about them.

You want this thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2943669

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

mllaneza posted:

Someone really needs to make a really good cross-platform backup solution that will use S3 as its datastore. Glacier tier storage is dirt cheap.

The best part about S3 is that it has the world's simplest storage API. You should be able to do this in 20 lines of whatever language you want.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.

SEKCobra posted:

A lot of courses and stuff are part of this job and I need those to stay in my position. Also its not like everyones against me, just that my boss doesnt want to deal with problems and is really short sighted, as well as some of his pals that now work under him being really horrible people.

Yeah, but you want to cry.


If you need the courses for the job, and you don't want the job, then don't take the courses and leave the job.

Unless the courses for some industry-wide thing like a CCIE or some other high-value cert, at which point you have to choices:

1. Maybe this is a bad day and you are in the poo poo and it's all piling up on you and you are feeling overwhelmed. So go home, lift heavy things, play video games or drink or whatever and hope that tomorrow somehow makes everything better.

OR

2. YOTJ and get another outfit to land you the courses you need for whatever you need them for.

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

SEKCobra posted:

A lot of courses and stuff are part of this job and I need those to stay in my position. Also its not like everyones against me, just that my boss doesnt want to deal with problems and is really short sighted, as well as some of his pals that now work under him being really horrible people.

There is no reason not to look for something else right this second. None. Certifications are not an absolute requirement every IT job, if that's what you're talking about, and staying in a job that is obviously this stressful is not worth whatever education you may get out of it.

If you signed something agreeing to pay back the cost of the courses if you leave early, that was a mistake, but you're going to just incur more debt the more classes you take. But this means is that you have an additional item to discuss during salary negotiations with your new company: you need some kind of signing bonus that will allow you to cover the money you're responsible for when you leave your current company. It might be harder to come to an agreement, but it's no reason not to look.

Even if a job hunt doesn't go anywhere, the fact that you're doing something, anything, to change your situation for the better will help your mood, which is sounding pretty depressed right now.

If the courses are "part of the job," as in you're required to take them to have the job, then they don't have a legal leg to stand on according to the FLSA.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

Che Delilas posted:

If the courses are "part of the job," as in you're required to take them to have the job, then they don't have a legal leg to stand on according to the FLSA.

Just a note, if I remember right he's said before that he's in... Korea, I think? Somewhere FLSA doesn't apply, anyway.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I'm just going to leave this here, and not be pissed off about it ever again after today:

Oh hi there messy cupboard, lets take a closer look at you!


Oh poo poo


I THINK yellow is for phone and blue for data


My favourite

From the top:
Mystery external HDD on top doing a backup,
lovely modem
Our 'server' - pretty much just working as a network drive with no actual functionality enabled at all
A UPS that has NEVER been hooked up
The security DVR
Somewhere in there is an iPod for the hold music

Note that none of that stuff is actually in the rack/rails, it all just sits on top of each other. The glass door cannot close and no venilation.

Turns out our 'IT Guy' was not one. And no, I wasn't that person.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




evol262 posted:

The best part about S3 is that it has the world's simplest storage API. You should be able to do this in 20 lines of whatever language you want.

I'll Kickstart it. I'm the idea guy.

WhoNeedsAName
Nov 30, 2013

mllaneza posted:

Someone really needs to make a really good cross-platform backup solution that will use S3 as its datastore. Glacier tier storage is dirt cheap.

I was amazed when I saw the prices for Glacier. I'm still looking for some evil Amazon catch, other than the "we'll charge you if you want your data back within three months" restriction, before I get the boss' permission to send the quarterly and yearly backups there.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Isn't the charge for deleting it early, not just restoring it?

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Caged posted:

Isn't the charge for deleting it early, not just restoring it?

There's are also a charge for archive and GET requests which may make it an expensive proposition to incrementally write lots of tiny changes. It still looks economical as hell.

SolTerrasa
Sep 2, 2011

Used to work in AWS, and I knew some of the S3 guys. Glacier started up a little after I left.

mllaneza posted:

I'll Kickstart it. I'm the idea guy.

Did you know that this is almost exactly what Dropbox is? Not that that's ever stopped an Ideas Guy before :v:

WhoNeedsAName posted:

I was amazed when I saw the prices for Glacier. I'm still looking for some evil Amazon catch, other than the "we'll charge you if you want your data back within three months" restriction, before I get the boss' permission to send the quarterly and yearly backups there.

The catch is that it takes forever to get that data when you want it. Three to five hours to start downloading it, and once you start it's gonna be at about 300-400 kbps. It's cheap as balls because they're basically writing your poo poo to tape and shoving the tapes in a warehouse somewhere. If you've gotta recover from a disaster and your backups are in Glacier, it's probably not happening today.

Caged posted:

Isn't the charge for deleting it early, not just restoring it?

Yep! For some reason (marketing! :argh:) they decided to say that restores are "free*" instead of saying "you can retrieve 5% of your monthly uploads for free, then after that it costs a small amount". The cost for deleting is there because (conjecture!) they're storing the stuff to tape so they can't easily re-use the parts you deleted and it takes them a few months to make back the tiny cost of writing and storing. But then again, AWS billing is such a clusterfuck that who even knows whether the policy makes sense.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


I have about 100GB of business-critical stuff copied to Glacier as the final resting place after it's already been copied to storage in another building. If I need the files back then I don't mind waiting for it.

If you really really need the stuff back instantly can't you move it to S3 and pull it back at S3 rates?

Lord Dudeguy
Sep 17, 2006
[Insert good English here]
E-911 services.

Lync 2010 - "Set up your locations and :siren:MAGIC:siren:"
Sonus SBCs - "MAGIC and then we forward it to AT&T and :siren:MAGIC:siren:"
AT&T - ":siren:MAGIC:siren: and your 911 call has the right address."

Call all three vendors, "What's this MAGIC? How's it work?"
Vendors: "THAT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS THE CUSTOMER WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES DONE TO YOU-" :supaburn::supaburn::supaburn:

I'm so close to completing this PBX -> Lync conversion I can taste it. I just wish the vendors didn't suck so massively.

WhoNeedsAName
Nov 30, 2013

I'd completely forgotten about the delete charge, mostly as we're planning to leave the data up there for two years minimum and only restore from it if the hard drive daily, the tape daily, weekly and monthly all fail. Or the building burns and the people who normally take backups home's houses somehow, miraculously, get levelled on the same day. For a company who can't pay their loving bills they really are paranoid about getting everything stored in multiple places. I wonder how long it'll be before Amazon decide to wipe their poo poo because they forgot to pay...

I read somewhere (I'll try to find the article) that Glacier was a bunch of massive redundant LTO-6 tape libraries with hard drive based caches. There was something in the Amazon blurb about how the system is designed so that your data is mirrored to at least three data centres with the ability to recover everything even if two of them are knocked out.

ETA: The article was actually some "insider information" that came out of IP Expo last year that I spotted on The Register. It does seem like the most logical explanation for the recovery time etc.

WhoNeedsAName fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 6, 2013

Che Delilas
Nov 23, 2009
FREE TIBET WEED

guppy posted:

Just a note, if I remember right he's said before that he's in... Korea, I think? Somewhere FLSA doesn't apply, anyway.

Ah, did not know this. Good luck then!

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

Che Delilas posted:

Ah, did not know this. Good luck then!

Im not in korea and I wouldnt have to pay anything back, but I wouldnt get any of my certs that they are paying for/organizing. Its a metric shitton which is the only reason I keep up with this poo poo. Also I still like my job when I get to actually do it anymore these days.

frogbert
Jun 2, 2007

EAT THE EGGS RICOLA posted:

I just picked up a Barco Clickshare and this thing is awesome.

I imagine those dongles need drivers? How do they run if the user isn't a local admin? Does it present itself as a second monitor? Or another video card?

door.jar
Mar 17, 2010
Found a consumer grade 4 disk ReadyNAS just hanging out in our network closet today. No idea who put it there and what it is used for as no one in IT knows anything about it. What's the bet it'll be "affecting production" at some point in the next 2 weeks to 2 years.

door.jar fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Dec 6, 2013

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug
I love it, my manager who assigned me to do an SAP upgrade about 3 weeks ago came back to me today to tell me "Dilbert I wasn't telling you do it, I just thought you would want to do it."

I specifically took the day off prior too the date requested off just so I didn't get dragged into something. Lowe and behold I am now informed that it is assumed I want to work on my days I request off.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

SEKCobra posted:

Im not in korea and I wouldnt have to pay anything back, but I wouldnt get any of my certs that they are paying for/organizing. Its a metric shitton which is the only reason I keep up with this poo poo. Also I still like my job when I get to actually do it anymore these days.

This really does not sound like a reason to not get out. Any decent company would help you get certs.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

SEKCobra posted:

Im not in korea and I wouldnt have to pay anything back, but I wouldnt get any of my certs that they are paying for/organizing. Its a metric shitton which is the only reason I keep up with this poo poo. Also I still like my job when I get to actually do it anymore these days.

Out of curiosity what certs are they?

Simpleboo
Oct 19, 2013

It makes me cry when suddenly IT rooms and whatnot become storage for the rest of the company

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

SEKCobra posted:

Im not in korea and I wouldnt have to pay anything back, but I wouldnt get any of my certs that they are paying for/organizing. Its a metric shitton which is the only reason I keep up with this poo poo. Also I still like my job when I get to actually do it anymore these days.

You need a hat with a camera in it, and just record everything. Next time douche boss is all " I just don't see any of this", you can open palm slap a tape in and let the truth be revealed, in a tasteful montage.

TWBalls
Apr 16, 2003
My medication never lies
Well, today was rather interesting. I was already exhausted due to working multiple 10+hr shifts this week (plus my daily workouts). Then, he showed up. Right away, I knew it was going to be a long day. This tech from Nuance... Every time he shows up for something, poo poo goes awry and what should only take a couple of hours ends up taking a couple of days. I just now got home and he's still working on getting the PowerScribe system. The poor Radiology Director said he'd keep an eye on him (Rad. Dir. has already been there 18hrs).

I came home to find my drives (The bottleopener drives) had arrived. :woop: So, at least there's that.

Now to stuff my face with some In-n-Out burger and go to bed.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

Johnny Aztec posted:

You need a hat with a camera in it, and just record everything. Next time douche boss is all " I just don't see any of this", you can open palm slap a tape in and let the truth be revealed, in a tasteful montage.

I honest to god wish I could do that, but its horribly illegal here.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


TWBalls posted:

Now to stuff my face with some In-n-Out burger and go to bed.

Holy poo poo I wish that was an option for me. Whenever I'm around that part of the US I make sure to visit an In-n-Out at least once.

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

door.jar posted:

Found a consumer grade 4 disk ReadyNAS just hanging out in our network closet today. No idea who put it there and what it is used for as no one in IT knows anything about it. What's the bet it'll be "affecting production" at some point in the next 2 weeks to 2 years.

Probably should check the download manager through the web interface, although then again you might not want to know :gonk:

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003

door.jar posted:

Found a consumer grade 4 disk ReadyNAS just hanging out in our network closet today.

My boss was so lazy we couldn't get the expected emergency upgrade to our backup solution in place before the next fiscal year, so now It's been scrapped while we wait for the "real" solution instead.


..so now I've ordered Yet Another Consumer Grade NAS - a 24 TB Buffalo SomethingOrOther - to tide us over. :sigh:

MW
May 20, 2001

"Nooooooooo!?"

Dilbert As gently caress posted:

I love it, my manager who assigned me to do an SAP upgrade about 3 weeks ago came back to me today to tell me "Dilbert I wasn't telling you do it, I just thought you would want to do it."

I specifically took the day off prior too the date requested off just so I didn't get dragged into something. Lowe and behold I am now informed that it is assumed I want to work on my days I request off.

I'm been reading this thread on and off, and no offense, but you sound like such a pushover. I'm guessing that from your perspective, everyone's out to get you and destroy your life, but in reality, people just don't know how to interact with you. If you learned how to properly communicate with the people around you like a human being, I promise "situations" like these would magically disappear.

Dilbert As FUCK
Sep 8, 2007

by Cowcaster
Pillbug

MW posted:

I'm guessing that from your perspective, everyone's out to get you and destroy your life

Uhh, what? I really don't feel that way at all.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

I had the best and worst review. Apparently I am amazing, go above and beyond my job, but I do not have enough experience so I can not be promoted. I do the work of a help desk lead but it can't be my title. I am so sick of this sort of poo poo.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

TWBalls posted:

Well, today was rather interesting. I was already exhausted due to working multiple 10+hr shifts this week (plus my daily workouts). Then, he showed up. Right away, I knew it was going to be a long day. This tech from Nuance... Every time he shows up for something, poo poo goes awry and what should only take a couple of hours ends up taking a couple of days. I just now got home and he's still working on getting the PowerScribe system. The poor Radiology Director said he'd keep an eye on him (Rad. Dir. has already been there 18hrs).

I came home to find my drives (The bottleopener drives) had arrived. :woop: So, at least there's that.

Now to stuff my face with some In-n-Out burger and go to bed.

gently caress Nuance and gently caress Powerscribe. When I was doing PASC admin crap for 9 imaging centers powerscribe was a very large amount of my tickets. I've heard the newest version is a major upgrade over the previous versions but never got to see it implemented.

mewse
May 2, 2006

jim truds posted:

I had the best and worst review. Apparently I am amazing, go above and beyond my job, but I do not have enough experience so I can not be promoted. I do the work of a help desk lead but it can't be my title. I am so sick of this sort of poo poo.

:smith:

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Time to stop going beyond your title and pay then

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
Alternately, find someplace where you can

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Yeah, I am working on getting out and I think my boss knows. She at least said she would not be suprised if I was.

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EoRaptor
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

door.jar posted:

Found a consumer grade 4 disk ReadyNAS just hanging out in our network closet today. No idea who put it there and what it is used for as no one in IT knows anything about it. What's the bet it'll be "affecting production" at some point in the next 2 weeks to 2 years.

Did it just recently appear? Because seriously unplug it right now and see who complains, before it becomes a much bigger problem down the line.

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