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Gaz-L posted:And the Eye of Horace. Presumably Hogan. Jesus, it would take literally 20 seconds on Google to find out the correct spelling. (It's Horus.) Isn't he a huge fan of Hulk's nephew?
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LvK posted:WWE is outsourcing its article writing and editing to prisons now? poo poo! Sorry, I thought he was referencing a spelling from an actual tattoo, my bad.
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Rodney the Piper posted:Sorry, I thought he was referencing a spelling from an actual tattoo, my bad. Yeah, the Eye of Horus is the Egyptian eye thing you see a lot, he's got that inked on him and mentions it in the Dot Com article... spelled Horace by the writer. In no way am I putting down MVP for being able to put himself back on a positive path after his time in prison. I'm mocking a lazy WWE web staffer.
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Ghostpilot posted:That was me. It was a tricky one to find since the original video got taken down from Youtube, but I managed to find it on Dailymotion. It was in the shoot interview, "the Voices Versus Steve Austin." Thanks! harperdc posted:I also love how the Rainmaker is the best-protected finisher this side of a Burning Hammer. I struggle to think of anything in WWE that's as routinely deadly. Bryan's Busaiku Knee has knocked everyone out but only since August. Somewhat related: http://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/1nqbvt/list_of_credible_wwe_finishers_that_have_been/
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As a monster heel, did Kurrgan ever get fed to anyone? As bad as he was in the ring, the 98 Rumble did a great job of making him look like an impressive beast. Shortly after, I recall he started squashing people and dragging them up the ramp by palming their skull (which is how they wrote off Ahmed Johnson) and then he eventually was repackaged as part of the Oddities just because. So before that face turn, did anyone ever take him down?
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Gavok posted:As a monster heel, did Kurrgan ever get fed to anyone? As bad as he was in the ring, the 98 Rumble did a great job of making him look like an impressive beast. Shortly after, I recall he started squashing people and dragging them up the ramp by palming their skull (which is how they wrote off Ahmed Johnson) and then he eventually was repackaged as part of the Oddities just because. So before that face turn, did anyone ever take him down? He lost one match with the rest of the truth commission (which is pretty much the match that ended that staple)
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This is in response to Carlitochat from a few pages ago, but I just wanted to say how much it irritated me that he said "I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool." Who the gently caress doesn't want to be cool?
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Nut Bunnies posted:This is in response to Carlitochat from a few pages ago, but I just wanted to say how much it irritated me that he said "I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool." People who are actually cool.
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Nut Bunnies posted:This is in response to Carlitochat from a few pages ago, but I just wanted to say how much it irritated me that he said "I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool." gently caress if I know, dude.
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LividLiquid posted:gently caress if I know, dude. 
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Imagine you're a teenager and your folks are away for the weekend. You're having a party and all of a sudden your mom calls but you don't want her to find out about the party so you say "hey everyone my mom is calling be cool for a second ok?" That's always what I assumed he meant.
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I can't believe people let him spit food in their faces so often. I'd resent the hell out of him if I was another wrestler - like the only way you can get any reaction is to hock chewed food at us?
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Supreme Allah posted:I can't believe people let him spit food in their faces so often. I'd resent the hell out of him if I was another wrestler - like the only way you can get any reaction is to hock chewed food at us? Rather have that than Rikishi's rear end in my face. Or Vince's.
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You can tell which guys rikishi and/or the office liked or disliked by the placement of the rear end and the duration of the stinkface.
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Question: If so many people in the wrestling world really dislike Cena and his position in the company, where would they rather see him? Just as a heel, in the midcard, or what? I mean, I get that the act is kind of old, but I don't really see where else you would put him outside of the potentially disastrous move of turning him heel. Like his character or not, he's a well established superstar, if not the only only one in the WWE right now.
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He was just fine as World Champion, putting on good matches and making sure every Raw didn't begin with a big rapadoo and Cena looking momentarily befuddled at everyone booing him. But I guess someone decided by God, he wasn't being shoved down everyone's throat hard enough.
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I'm catching up on Steve Austin's podcast, and it's put me in such a mood for Stone Cold matches. What's considered the best Stone Cold DVD out there? I'm looking mainly for matches, but if there's one that has a good documentary I'd consider picking it up too.
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BlueArmyMan posted:I'm catching up on Steve Austin's podcast, and it's put me in such a mood for Stone Cold matches. What's considered the best Stone Cold DVD out there? I'm looking mainly for matches, but if there's one that has a good documentary I'd consider picking it up too. The latest one is a good assortment, and the doc included is supposed to be pretty good too. http://www.amazon.com/Stone-Cold-Steve-Austin-Superstar/dp/B005G7WGQI
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I Before E posted:The latest one is a good assortment, and the doc included is supposed to be pretty good too. Holy poo poo, that looks perfect for what I want, thanks! I just hope that the I Quit match vs. Bret Hart doesn't have the weird audio desync issue that the one on the Bret Hart DVD set had.
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BlueArmyMan posted:Holy poo poo, that looks perfect for what I want, thanks! I just hope that the I Quit match vs. Bret Hart doesn't have the weird audio desync issue that the one on the Bret Hart DVD set had. I haven't noticed any desync problems on my copy.
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crankdatbatman posted:Question: I'd like to see him have an interesting character who retains character traits, who promotes things he likes, who actually has long-term friends, who isn't always in the same exact goofy mood where he makes fun of your nipples instead of giving you actual respect, who doesn't HAVE to come out and challenge the champion whenever he isn't one, and who can actually be goaded into losing his cool sometimes. Remember when Nexus backed Cena into a corner and he had to try to recruit both friends and enemies, and actually cut some good promos and looked vulnerable because someone was finally a legitimate threat to him? Remember pre-Wrestlemania when he lost his poo poo on the booing fans and The Rock? That. I want that. I want a vulnerable Cena who can take a loss and isn't protected, and has a deeper character so it's not just kids who love him. Someone you can root for because you legitimately don't know that he isn't just going to come back in the last 30 seconds for his Rapadoo beatdown. He seems like a cool dude otherwise, and he's perfectly capable in the ring, so he shouldn't be nearly this irritating. What's worse to me though isn't necessarily his booking as A-1 Superhero Forever, it's that he's in a position where he could have a stranglehold on the company if he wanted to see it change for the better, and instead he does the exact same thing he's done since The Marine came out. Also, gently caress's sake Cena, record and debut a new theme song already. That horn loop is so tiresome.
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sticklefifer posted:We've seen glimpses of what Cena could be, and that's what makes his default character so stale. Great answer. Here's a follow up though. What are some good examples of characters doing exactly this, having a depth to their character that would appeal to older audiences? The only one I can think of is C.M. Punk, maybe, with how his character arc was going during MiTB 2011 up to now (although there was a period where he was kind of a stale, more modern version of Austin's character). Austin wasn't this, he was just a badass redneck who hated Vince McMahon. Don't even mention the loving Rock, that character was just as one dimensional, if not more so, than Cena's. Maybe Mankind/Mick Foley in 98-2000? There could be more, and I could be wrong, but this seems to be a pipe dream that just goes against what mainstream wrestling is, essentially.
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crankdatbatman posted:Question: Cena draws well, I just hate everything about him (which is entirely personal taste) and think he is pretty overrated in the ring. He's not a character that is designed to appeal to me, though.
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Well, where Rock and Austin and Punk have traits and aspects of their characters that carry over, Cena doesn't do that. Austin drinks beer, rides 4-wheelers, is anti-authority like crazy, and doesn't care about consequences. Rock is a successful multimedia star, plays guitar in the ring, has a strange buddy relationship with Mankind, and has the charisma to captivate a crowd and turn heel without hurting his position. People don't remember this much about CM Punk because everyone loved him regardless, but his character was flat and boring "tough guy wrestleman" until about 2009 or so. Since then he's added to his character consistently, through the SES, the pipebomb, and the longest reigning champion shtick. Cena by contrast has added nothing to his character since dropping the rap stuff. He's actually taken away from his character. Every feud Cena ends is like a reset button. All these other guys reference history when it works for them, but it's like Cena exists in a vacuum. He has the personality of a Default CAW. Win or lose it's "Whatever, never give up rapadoo." His character is "The Champion" and nothing else, really. Where I could tell you what the character of Austin, Rock, or Punk seems like he might do in his daily life, Cena used to have a rapper gimmick but now he's just some strong dude who doesn't give up. Case in point, the Ryback feud. They actually for once referenced the history between Cena and someone else. They had Ryback lay out an extremely well put together motivation for his heel turn: Cena is a bad friend, and here's months of continuity for proof. Cena's response: LOL CRYBABY And that's the end of it. Of course he doesn't have to address or own up to any of it. He's the face equivalent of how 2000s heel Triple H would come out the next night after losing and say "It doesn't matter that I lost, because I'm the best and I get another shot because reasons." Ironically they're showing a little bit of depth with his promos in the unification feud because they're about the belts. Since Cena's character is "champ", he doesn't have to invent a bunch of word salad promos to talk about his side of the feud. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Dec 7, 2013 |
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crankdatbatman posted:Don't even mention the loving Rock, that character was just as one dimensional, if not more so, than Cena's. Rocky Maivia and early heel The Rock and 2001 face Rock and Hollywood 2003 Rock and current Dwayne Johnson Rock are nothing alike.
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The John Cena character that never changes would be a lot more tolerable if they simply changed his booking every now and again. His "worst year ever" was better than 99% of the careers most WWE wrestlers ever have. When it was announced that he'd be fighting ADR at HIAC, it was a given that he would win. It's a given that he's going to be the "first" Unified Champion (discounting the undisputed thing) so that when he retires, the WWE can still sell him as the first ever of that. He doesn't need to win all the time, his gear would still sell. He's actually pretty good on the mic, he's not as naturally charismatic as The Rock or Stone Cold, he's not as good as CM Punk if we round it down to active wrestlers, but he's actually good when he's not doing the inane kid jokes. He could do a good comedy angle like Team Hell No was and elevate someone else with it, he could go to the mid card and give it legitimacy, but it's just the same old "He's going to win the main title again and defend it until he's injured!" and that amplifies all the issues with him and glosses over what he's good at.
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magnum_valentino posted:Rocky Maivia and early heel The Rock and 2001 face Rock and Hollywood 2003 Rock and current Dwayne Johnson Rock are nothing alike. You're counting different gimmicks. If Cena turned heel/changed gimmicks he'd naturally have some "character depth" because I feel face/heel turns are what make a character deep at least in today's wrestling world. The Rock from 1999-2001 and even modern Dwayne Johnson Rock the wrestling character have very little depth to them. Especially 99-01 Rock, he was fun to watch but it was literally the same character over and over again. He played the same character in modern Rock too, he just now happens to be a famous movie star who's in a lot of movies people have seen.
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I understand why they're shilling this as the biggest thing ever, because you promote everything like it's the biggest thing ever when you're a major company. But it's incredibly silly to say that unifying your own two in-house brand belts is bigger than unifying the top belts from two vicious rival federations after a multi-million dollar buyout where the absorbed belt has an even older history than your own.
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crankdatbatman posted:You're counting different gimmicks. If Cena turned heel/changed gimmicks he'd naturally have some "character depth" because I feel face/heel turns are what make a character deep at least in today's wrestling world. Isn't this the point? If Cena did something different once in a while he'd be better.
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sticklefifer posted:I understand why they're shilling this as the biggest thing ever, because you promote everything like it's the biggest thing ever when you're a major company. But it's incredibly silly to say that unifying your own two in-house brand belts is bigger than unifying the top belts from two vicious rival federations after a multi-million dollar buyout where the absorbed belt has an even older history than your own. Well yeah but that one wasn't Triple H's angle.
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sticklefifer posted:I understand why they're shilling this as the biggest thing ever, because you promote everything like it's the biggest thing ever when you're a major company. But it's incredibly silly to say that unifying your own two in-house brand belts is bigger than unifying the top belts from two vicious rival federations after a multi-million dollar buyout where the absorbed belt has an even older history than your own. The absorbed belt didn't have a longer history than the WWE belt except when wrestling companies just start making poo poo up. If you are just making stuff up the WHC has that legacy again plus ten more years of it! It's an even better belt.
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Supreme Allah posted:Isn't this the point? If Cena did something different once in a while he'd be better. Adding character traits does not necessarily mean turning face/heel. At least not in other forms of entertainment media. The original argument was adding depth to a character, not turning him heel. MassRafTer posted:The absorbed belt didn't have a longer history than the WWE belt except when wrestling companies just start making poo poo up. If you are just making stuff up the WHC has that legacy again plus ten more years of it! It's an even better belt. Making poo poo up is 90% of professional wrestling.
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sticklefifer posted:I understand why they're shilling this as the biggest thing ever, because you promote everything like it's the biggest thing ever when you're a major company. But it's incredibly silly to say that unifying your own two in-house brand belts is bigger than unifying the top belts from two vicious rival federations after a multi-million dollar buyout where the absorbed belt has an even older history than your own. The WHC lineage goes back to Abraham Lincoln brother, just ask them.
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MassRafTer posted:The absorbed belt didn't have a longer history than the WWE belt except when wrestling companies just start making poo poo up. If you are just making stuff up the WHC has that legacy again plus ten more years of it! It's an even better belt. I CHOOSE to believe the WHC is the continuation of the WCW belt  That said, the WCW belt only goes back to, like, 1990 I think.
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It's the belt they always shill with the history of Harley Race/Ric Flair/Dusty Rhodes, so yeah.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:I CHOOSE to believe the WHC is the continuation of the WCW belt WCW started sanctioning their own world title in January 1991 when Ric Flair beat Sting for the NWA title. Flair then lost the NWA title to Tatsumi Fujinami in Japan in March, but kept the physical belt and was still recognized as the WCW champion (and referred to on WCW television as the NWA champion) during Fujinami's NWA title reign (which has been alternately recognized and not recognized depending on who is doing the recognition) before reunifying those titles in the most confusing match of all-time at Superbrawl I. Flair was stripped of the WCW title in July 1991 when he was fired by WCW, but the NWA continued to recognize him until he signed with an "outlaw" territory, in this case WWF in September. And that's where the WCW title permanently split and became its own thing. So basically it dates to somewhere in 1991 but you can put the date in January, March, or July depending on what you consider the start. They tried to wrap the NWA lineage back in with the Big Gold Belt and the WCW International World unification match in 1994 but it's a real, real stretch.
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jeffersonlives posted:They tried to wrap the NWA lineage back in with the Big Gold Belt and the WCW International World unification match in 1994 but it's a real, real stretch. Awesome, thanks for the information. Though I find this really funny since, as pathetic as it has been, there's still an NWA champion. Even if its Rob Conway, that basically makes it so it can't be merged with the WCW belt since its still out there.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:Awesome, thanks for the information. Though I find this really funny since, as pathetic as it has been, there's still an NWA champion. Even if its Rob Conway, that basically makes it so it can't be merged with the WCW belt since its still out there. Rob Conway rules but the NWA title has been largely meaningless indy fodder for 20 years at this point.
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