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The Iron Rose: May 12, 2012; Cat Army

made of bees posted:

If I remember correctly, this same guy has been saying "we must invade Iran NOW because they're going to nuke Israel/they're going to blockade the gulf of Hormuz and wreck the world economy/they won't stop being muslim" for years now. Which I guess doesn't make him different from any rear end in a top hat right-winger. But still, it's pretty disturbing to read.

Does this idiot not know what the fifth fleet exists for?

made of bees posted:

Yeah, I get why it's such a popular scenario, but even starting with the premise of the Nazis winning the war means you've pretty much abandoned any attempt at realism, so you might as well just do whatever you want with it. On that note, an "alt history" story I really liked is the novela Thor Meets Captain America, which is not a Marvel comic, but a response to a challenge to write the most realistic scenario in which the Nazis win. How do they do it? They summon the Norse gods to fight the war for them by using the Holocaust as mass human sacrifice.

Well that's not a sentence I ever expected to read in my life.

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AlbieQuirky: Oct 9, 2012; Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

The Iron Rose posted:

Well that's not a sentence I ever expected to read in my life.

A variation on this theme appears in Ian Tregellis's Milkweed Trilogy (which is loving awesome), and everyone who likes crazy magic poo poo and cyborg mutants and alternate World War II should read the gently caress out of it.

# ? Dec 7, 2013 03:25

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

For god's sake, the Tropers even have physical proof of a successfully realized altrnate history that has tie ins to their precious animes. The Kerberos Saga (the series that the film Jin-Roh is part of), is an alternate history where Germany won the war and occupied Japan. And it has a rather extensive background, because Mamoru Oshii is an obsessive for tiny details.

# ? Dec 7, 2013 04:51

Random Stranger: Nov 27, 2009

AlbieQuirky posted:

A variation on this theme appears in Ian Tregellis's Milkweed Trilogy (which is loving awesome), and everyone who likes crazy magic poo poo and cyborg mutants and alternate World War II should read the gently caress out of it.

There have been several authors who have used the Holocaust as part of a vast necromantic ritual. I suppose if you want to start from Magic Nazis it's the obvious place to go.

# ? Dec 7, 2013 06:39

Testekill: Nov 1, 2012; I demand to be taken seriously

I was reading through this thread again and Saint Drogo bought up Flexible Survival still having a TVTropes page. Surely they would have deleted it now that the hated goons has highlighted it being furry porn. But guess what, it's still there. Good job on the porn purge, that's some fine police work there boys.

I mean, is it fine just because it's not pedoshit (I'm sorry, lolicon)? It's clearly a porn game since... you know...

quote:

Black Comedy Rape: In a way, though getting raped is how you gain new powers for the most part.

# ? Dec 7, 2013 12:55

Laocius: Jul 6, 2013

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Post Your Favorite (or Request) > TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: Getting Raped Is How You Gain New Powers

# ? Dec 7, 2013 20:28

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You know, I'm not sure if I can pinpoint what the most disturbing part of that entry is. Its existence is up there, but I think in the end I'm going to have to go with 'and specifically, it must be rape, not consensual sex.'

# ? Dec 9, 2013 19:05

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

I thought nothing could be worse about talking how the Nostalgia Critic wears heels to make dumpster sex "adorkable".

# ? Dec 11, 2013 07:45

Venusian Weasel: Nov 18, 2011

Oh boy, TVTropes has a review section. As someone who dabbles in reviews and criticism, I'm interested to see how much more effort I put into the process than tropers.

First of all, let's see what they're reviewing. The 20 most recent reviews:

- Remus Lupin, P.I. (Harry Potter fanfiction)
- Confused Matthew (YouTube critic)
- My Sister's Keeper (book)
- Bioshock Infinite (video game)
- Frozen (animated film)
- Get A Horse! (animated short)
- Left Behind (book)
- God of War (video game, 3 reviews)
- Phineas and Ferb (cartoon)
- My Little Pony (cartoon, 2 reviews)
- Vampire Knight (japanese anime)
- Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality (Harry Potter fanfiction)
- The Ugly Barnacle (a three sentence joke in Spongebob)
- The Stalking Zuko Series (Avatar: The Last Airbender fanfiction)
- RWBY (cartoon)
- Master of Martial Hearts (japanese anime)
- A Game of Thrones (book)

Wow, reviews of popular series (which already have a number of reviews) and reviews of fanfiction that most people will never bother to read! Yep, sounds like TVTropes.
As to the quality of reviews:

Talisha Luvs Pink reviews Phineas and Ferb posted:

Too predictable, childish, over-rated, and stupid
They always have the same line up every time!!! Candace never busts her brothers (EVER!!) if they have they need to show it more instead of the same ones!! I've seen the one where she does buts it's perry's dream! Make it where they really get busted and GROUNDED!!!! I can plot the whole story: first they show the theme, next they show phineas, ferb, and perry in the backyard as the mom always has "arrands" to do, perry goes missing and goes to doofensmerks place which is where perry gets in a weak trap, doof says his long/short story, tells about his inators, perry gets out of the trap as doof tries to start up his inator; meanwhile at home the two bros build whatever crap they build, Isabella and everyone else comes in, Isabella say her idiotic catchphrase "watcha doin'?", phineas tells them so they join, they start to sing their dumb A$$ songs as they build their invention; back at doofs perry beats the snot out of doofensmerk and aims the dumb thing at phineas and ferbs house so that as soon as candace sees phineas and ferbs creations and tells mom to go out to the backyard the dumb contraption disappears and makes Candace feel like a crazy idiot so ; at doofs place the inator blows up and perry flies away and doof says "curse you perry the platypus!"; so perry appears back at his home so somebody in the family always notices perry is there so then it ends, then in the end credits they show the song they sung in the episode, so that concludes the stupid episode!!!! Can they at least make an episode where they get busted cuz if they don't they are gonna loose ALOT of fans cuz I'll tell ya now they just lost one!!!!! (ME!!!)

Uh-huh, uh-huh, I agree.

mudge reviews My Little Pony posted:

Decent, but nothing to write home about.
Pretty good for a kids show, but nothing special otherwise. Starting off, it takes no real risks with the characters. The tomboy having self-worth issues, the shy one having a hidden strength, the bookworm and "straight man" so to speak being not so above everything after all, the seemingly high-class one actually being sweet, none of that is new. It's all been done before and frankly, all been done better.

The Aesop's are often subject to Fridge Logic and Unfortunate Implications, with Mysterious Mare-Do-Well, Dragon Quest and A Friend In Deed being three of the most prominent examples. There have been entire headscratcher, wall banger and dethroning moment pages on those, so I won't go into them further here.

The world-building is lacking to say the least. Despite seeing griffons, minotaurs, zebras and dragons, we know almost nothing about any of them (other than dragons being jerks every time they're seen). Plot elements often come out of nowhere despite opportunities to set them up earlier, such as Shining Armor. This is likely in part due to the episodic nature of the show, but it's still jarring.

One would expect a largely slice of life series to not have many overarching plotlines, and one would be correct. Powerful threats like Discord, Sombra and Chrysalis are brought up and then dealt with in two episodes at absolute maximum. There isn't much build-up, nor are we given much insight into them. Where they come from, how they came to be the way they are, any sort of insight into their characters simply isn't there.

This ability to take down seemingly epic threats easily and then spend a whole episode trying to figure out who ate a cake or an entire episode not realizing they have the wrong person can also jar a more serious watcher and threaten to break the suspension of disbelief.

Now, I've been pretty negative here, so let's get on to what the show does right. The animation is fluid and easy to watch. The songs (with a couple of exceptions) tend to be well-written and enjoyable, and it does manage to work the aesops in without being irritating.

As a childrens show, it is a good, though not spectacular series. However, it fails to build the world, tell any sort of continuous, compelling story over the seasons, or go very deep into anything, and generally lacks to substance to be anything more than a good kids show

Yes, complain some more about a children's TV show designed to sell toys failing to take full advantage of the medium. Complain some more about children's show writers not writing sophisticated edgy/grimdark plots for the full enjoyment of its manchild viewers. Complain some more. Complain some more! :unsmigghh:

Hyperbole aside, the review is kind of lame. The point of a review is to convey the reviewer's thoughts on a story, letting potential viewers know if a story is worth their time or not. This review runs counter to that, as it seems like it's aimed partially at people who already watch the show, making it functionally useless! Like, each section starts off as a review ("The world-building is lacking, to say the least"), but quickly into referential criticism that requires the reader to have already seen the show ("Plot elements often come out of nowhere despite opportunities to set them up earlier, such as Shining Armor"). I don't know what you're talking about, I haven't watched the show! This seems to be common to TVTropes reviews. See if you can spot the review/criticism duality in this one!

Aprilla reviews Master of Martial Hearts posted:

Mediocre, Not Horrible
As the trope page itself notes, this series appears to be an immature attempt at deconstructing the panty fighter genre. A noble effort, but undisciplined and poorly focused. The twist at Episode 5 provides a thought-provoking commentary on fighting shows and the fan service given to them, but the show does an inadequate job of executing whatever criticism it is directing toward people who typically seek out ecchi-style anime.

The animation is sub-par, the voice acting is sophomoric, and the fight scenes are unnecessarily hyperactive. However, I will say that the premise does have potential. Was that potential wasted? Many other viewers argue that it certainly was, or that there was no potential to be harnessed to begin with. I'm of the former opinion, but the issue I have with this anime is similar to the issue I have with similar premises seen in Sucker Punch, Elfen Lied and Evangelion. Using fanservice in the process of forming a criticism about fanservice is a tricky task much in the way establishing a criticism of war is difficult to do when you're using war itself as the vehicle for your plot.

The anime is mostly forgettable, although it left me with some interesting ideas about how we view combative women in anime. MOMH seems to be struggling to suggest that watching scantily clad, buxom women duke it out doesn't change the fact that they are essentially human beings committing acts of violence against each other and the consequences that entails. Many people also seem to think this anime was just abysmally bad, but if you think this is the worst anime ever produced, you probably haven't seen a lot of anime. Personally, I think most anime is crap admittedly due to the fact that most of it doesn't appeal to me. And believe me, I've given many anime a chance. Suffice to say I've seen much worse. MOMH is worth a quick view if you're killing time, but I wouldn't say it's incredibly painful to watch.

If the anime is trying to make a critical point about ill-conceived fan service, there are better ways to do this. Anime like Queen's Blade, Freezing and K�mpfer may be among its targets of deconstruction, but the pointlessness of MOMH's fan service hampers whatever thesis it has. Give it a quick watch, but don't overreact to its flaws. MOMH isn't made out to be Shakespeare, folks

Venusian Weasel fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Dec 11, 2013

# ? Dec 11, 2013 09:07

Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

Jesus christ, is that twat in the last review actually trying to defend MOMH? The show where the losers of a fighting tournament are sold into the sex trade as punishment?

# ? Dec 11, 2013 09:21

Jay O: Oct 9, 2012; being a zombie's not so bad
once you get used to it

Arcsquad12 posted:

Jesus christ, is that twat in the last review actually trying to defend MOMH? The show where the losers of a fighting tournament are sold into the sex trade as punishment?

Ah yes. Master of Martial Hearts. To this day, one of the absolute worst, most misogynistic, misanthropic, stupidest, cheapest, and poorly produced anime I have ever seen. (And...I've seen...I've seen a lot of anime. :negative:

)

I own and keep a copy of it solely because it's such a horrible abortion of content.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 10:21

Darth TNT: Sep 20, 2013

Arcsquad12 posted:

Jesus christ, is that twat in the last review actually trying to defend MOMH? The show where the losers of a fighting tournament are sold into the sex trade as punishment?

If it is, then that's a horrible attempt at defense.

Two people have posted links to the Fplus here (thanks, I hadn't heard of them) so I decided to see if TVtropes has a page dedicated to them.
They do

It's surprisngly(?) barren. The only notable thing is this:

YMMV posted:

Crowning Moment of Funny: The fact that this podcast made fun of TV Tropes for having dumb nonsensical tropes such as "crowning moment of funny" and yet some tropers still decided to add it to the podcast's TV Tropes page.

It may be considered a crowning moment of funny that we added them to the no notability site that attempts to catalogue all media on the internet after they made fun of us. Har har.

This is just weird.

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Token Girl: Only about a quarter of the episodes have more than one female reader. Lampshaded in the MRA episode.

How can there be a token girl when there are multiple?

# ? Dec 11, 2013 10:31

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

Darth TNT posted:

This is just weird.

How can there be a token girl when there are multiple?

I think it's saying that it's rare for the readings to have more than one girl show up in them, meaning that they usually fit the trope.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 10:38

kaleidolia: Apr 25, 2012

Arcsquad12 posted:

Jesus christ, is that twat in the last review actually trying to defend MOMH? The show where the losers of a fighting tournament are sold into the sex trade as punishment?

"But it's a deconstruction of pornographic fighting tournament cartoons!" :tvtropes:

I love how they use "it's not the worst thing I've seen" and "it's not Shakespeare" in an otherwise negative review. One seems obvious from the genre alone, and the other isn't useful unless you know what they're comparing it to (and, even then, it probably says more about the reviewer).

# ? Dec 11, 2013 11:12

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

kaleidolia posted:

"But it's a deconstruction of pornographic fighting tournament cartoons!"

I love how they use "it's not the worst thing I've seen" and "it's not Shakespeare" in an otherwise negative review. One seems obvious from the genre alone, and the other isn't useful unless you know what they're comparing it to (and, even then, it probably says more about the reviewer).

Worth noting here that Shakespeare isn't exactly some remote bastion of high art, either - he was very willing to pander to the lowest common denominator, with his most famous romantic tragedy, Romeo and Juliet, starting out with a page's worth of dick jokes. When guys like this reviewer say 'it's not Shakespeare', they're often not demonstrating (like they think) that X horrible work of fiction had different goals to Shakespeare's stuff and should be judged on different lines. They're simply underlining that X horrible show was vastly less competent at accomplishing the same goals as Shakespeare. Which is already obvious. Because the show is horrible.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 11:20

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

It'd be like if, three hundred years from now, students were putting on budget stage productions of... I dunno, some Spielberg flick. Not to say Spielberg can't make art, but expecting everything he does to be elevated and master-crafted wit is a bit dumb.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 11:38

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

The Leper Colon V posted:

It'd be like if, three hundred years from now, students were putting on budget stage productions of... I dunno, some Spielberg flick. Not to say Spielberg can't make art, but expecting everything he does to be elevated and master-crafted wit is a bit dumb.

Oh, Shakespeare's dick jokes were very well-crafted. It's just that they were crafted for the purpose of getting cheap laughs from the audience.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 12:08

DStecks: Feb 6, 2012

The Leper Colon V posted:

It'd be like if, three hundred years from now, students were putting on budget stage productions of... I dunno, some Spielberg flick. Not to say Spielberg can't make art, but expecting everything he does to be elevated and master-crafted wit is a bit dumb.

Now I want to see 8th graders put on a production of Jurassic Park.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 15:43

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

DStecks posted:

Now I want to see 8th graders put on a production of Jurassic Park.

"Now that is one big pile of poo poo."
TVTropes: The Musical

# ? Dec 11, 2013 16:57

Razorwired: Dec 7, 2008; It's about to start!

Darth TNT posted:

It may be considered a crowning moment of funny that we added them to the no notability site that attempts to catalogue all media on the internet after they made fun of us. Har har.

It's funny in the context of these threads because Zero Punctuation's page went away for a while when Yahtzee tanked a game Fast Eddie worked on. Because Yahtzee has also worked on games Ahab wasn't able to fall back on "The worst artist is worth more than the best critic" bullshit and blanked the page.

Something Awful also had anything positive about Goons lifted from its page because these threads were full of Jerk Jocks that were making fun of Tropers. They also added:

quote:

A Darker Me: It's a joke on Something Awful that every goon is a nerdy, overweight "neckbeard" in Real Life. Individual goons, however, tend to make up obvious lies about how awesome they are for the fun of it.

Any of you that claim to have touched a boob or gotten published are a bunch of lying motherfuckers.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 21:09

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Yeah, I swear I remember there was this big block of :words:

on the SA main page discussion that basically went " :reddit:

B-BUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH :reddit:

" over our role in the Redditbomb.

# ? Dec 11, 2013 21:54

Metal Gear: Dec 10, 2006; This is SomethingAwful.com

Panfilo posted:

"Now that is one big pile of poo poo."
TVTropes: The Musical

A TVTropes musical pretty much already exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDJIZP5B28

# ? Dec 12, 2013 04:58

MinistryofLard: Mar 22, 2013; Goblin babies did nothing wrong.

oh my god, I've found peak troper. Meet Dark Lady Celebrian.

quote:

-CRASHES INTO CONTRIBUTOR PAGE WITH HER BODY PAINTED LIKE A NA'VI WHILE WHISTLING ROW ROW ROW YOUR BOAT THROUGH A CAR WASH- HELLOOOO TROPERS. THIS IS DARK LADY CELEBRIAN SPEAKING THANK YOU FOR RIDING THE CELEBRIAN EXPRESS

I am this universe's aspiring superhero, and I'm someone who wishes she could end the unhappiness of every single person in the world. If I could I would take the whole world out for cake and ice cream, end all poverty and world hunger, and..well in general I hate seeing people unhappy and I will do all I can to try to make them happy. ^^

SO WACKY AND RANDOM MONKEYCHEESE GUISE LOLOLOL

quote:

am also a very proud soulbonder with 84 main soulbonds who I call my "guardians." I would not be who I am today if they did not come into my life 4 amazing years ago. They are my world and I love them all dearly and I would not trade them in for anything.
My job class is currently dancer/summoner.

She's also a "soulbonder", which I think is the ur-form of people with "headmates" that we now see on Tumblr. I feel like a palaeontologist discovering the missing link between humans and apes, except, infinitely more retarded and pointless.

Jesus christ. I'm fairly sure she has an encyclopaedia dramatica article somewhere, but I had no idea she was on TV Tropes,

# ? Dec 12, 2013 08:12

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Souldbonding is a lot like having headmates, except instead of anime and video game characters living inside your head, they live inside your room with you.

But you should be careful with DLC... She has many guardians and if you make her cry Sephiroth will cut you with his giant sword _{in a blog post she'll write.}

I'm pretty sure she's been around since Livejournal started collecting these types, before they all migrated to Tumblr.

# ? Dec 12, 2013 17:25

Punished Chuck: Dec 27, 2010

Wasn't DLC the one that always obnoxiously referred to herself as 'this one' like those dumb jellyfish things from Mass Effect? Did she finally give that up now that Mass Effect is over?

# ? Dec 12, 2013 17:36

Puppy Time: Mar 1, 2005

Leofish posted:

Souldbonding is a lot like having headmates, except instead of anime and video game characters living inside your head, they live inside your room with you.

But you should be careful with DLC... She has many guardians and if you make her cry Sephiroth will cut you with his giant sword _{in a blog post she'll write.}

I'm pretty sure she's been around since Livejournal started collecting these types, before they all migrated to Tumblr.

Unless it's changed, I'm reasonably sure soulbonding is the same as headmates, it's just some soulbonders decided to coopt DID terminology to try and make their bullshit sound less bullshitty. (This was impossible, of course, but they tried.)

I think soulbonding may also be a general term that encompassses headmates, astral plane marriages, and all that jazz, but I haven't been keeping up on my abyss gazing recently.

ETA: tl;dr they are all basically synonyms for "imaginary friend"

# ? Dec 12, 2013 17:50

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Wasn't DLC the one that always obnoxiously referred to herself as 'this one' like those dumb jellyfish things from Mass Effect? Did she finally give that up now that Mass Effect is over?

That one was Beholderess. I think that one still does it.

# ? Dec 12, 2013 21:24

purple_sammich: Feb 3, 2010

Metal Gear posted:

A TVTropes musical pretty much already exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDJIZP5B28

I am completely unsurprised that this trailer starts off with an unfunny joke about sex with an underage girl.

# ? Dec 13, 2013 00:33

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Oh god what was I thinking :gonk:

The most recent post on the discussion page for P�do Hunt:

Sure glad we're rid of pedo defenders posted:

I�d like to add an example of an aversion: there�s a famous Israeli blogger named Socrates who is a p�dophile who�s never acted on his urges and takes shots to inhibit his sexual drive. He�s generally a Nice Guy and he gets mostly very positive reactions.

# ? Dec 13, 2013 22:31

Sham bam bamina!: Nov 6, 2012; ƨtupid cat

Regalingualius posted:

Oh god what was I thinking

The most recent post on the discussion page for P�do Hunt:

Huh. Uh... well. Hm.

# ? Dec 13, 2013 22:42

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

So, who wants to bet on that BEING Socrates who posted that?

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Dec 13, 2013

# ? Dec 13, 2013 23:02

Baudolino: Apr 1, 2010; THUNDERDOME LOSER

Regalingualius posted:

Oh god what was I thinking

The most recent post on the discussion page for P�do Hunt:

Not to be glib or anything, but what more could you want from a peado? Not giving in to desire because they understand how horrible that would be sounds very ethical to me. After all you can blame someone for how they act and what they say but not for what they feel.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 00:47

girl dick energy: Sep 30, 2009; You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Baudolino posted:

Not to be glib or anything, but what more could you want from a peado? Not giving in to desire because they understand how horrible that would be sounds very ethical to me. After all you can blame someone for how they act and what they say but not for what they feel.

How about not being proud of that fact? Like, the implication is that he's a self-identified Paedo.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 00:48

Lottery of Babylon: Apr 25, 2012; STRAIGHT TROPIN'

The issue isn't Socrates, it's tropers latching on to absolutely anything they can to prove that pedophilia really isn't so bad.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 00:50

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

Baudolino posted:

Not to be glib or anything, but what more could you want from a peado? Not giving in to desire because they understand how horrible that would be sounds very ethical to me. After all you can blame someone for how they act and what they say but not for what they feel.

Seeking therapy and not wearing it like a badge of honor would be a good start

# ? Dec 14, 2013 00:54

CoolZidane: Jun 24, 2008

Metal Gear posted:

A TVTropes musical pretty much already exists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDJIZP5B28

Just once, I'd like to see a parody musical by someone who knows how to write a loving song.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 01:35

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

Lottery of Babylon posted:

The issue isn't Socrates, it's tropers latching on to absolutely anything they can to prove that pedophilia really isn't so bad.

This, really. I'm not quite as disturbed by him being open about it (though I still find it skeevy as hell, don't get me wrong there) as I am by tropers trying to hold him up as some sort of idol or paragon.

And bear in mind, this request was made just over a month ago.

# ? Dec 14, 2013 01:49