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Looks like Tarquin is really taking this arc off the rails. Ehh? Ehh? Oh, I guess the puns are over now.
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Naw I bet Tarquin's going over the side to meet his just deserts.
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Dec 7, 2013 22:57
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Man, Tarquin is such a good villain, it's unfair. Every story needs a Tarquin.
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Dec 7, 2013 22:59
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sebmojo posted:YEAH LET'S GET BACK TO CORRIDORS AND RULE GAGS This would be actually preferrable at this point. I hate Tarquin and I hate this arc and I hate literally nothing came out of it
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Dec 8, 2013 00:12
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TINA TURNER posted:This would be actually preferrable at this point. I hate Tarquin and I hate this arc and I hate literally nothing came out of it ... What? Even if you ignored character development, a major reoccurring villain was killed off and one of the major cast members was killed and revived as a vampire. (I don't like Tarquin much either but "nothing came of it" is crazy.)
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Dec 8, 2013 00:15
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Zogundar posted:I thought he looked a bit different there and was wondering if there was some deeper significance to that. It's the perspective, too--you're seeing him straight-on instead of from the usual fourth-wall/stage-like viewpoint. Rich has been doing a lot more of that lately. It's pretty cool! I guess it's also that he has a neutral expression, as Elan sometimes does, instead of ranting like a rage-filled maniac, which Elan doesn't often do.
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Dec 8, 2013 00:46
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If Tarquin dies here he Sabine can't kill him, though.
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Dec 8, 2013 00:53
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Pope Guilty posted:If Tarquin dies here he Sabine can't kill him, though. I'm sure she'd work out some sort of deal to get his soul or whatever to torture for killing Nale.
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Dec 8, 2013 01:08
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Can Sabine do something to prevent him from being resurrected once he dies?
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TINA TURNER posted:This would be actually preferrable at this point. I hate Tarquin and I hate this arc and I hate literally nothing came out of it So did you just not read anything that happened in the pyramid at all?
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Dec 8, 2013 01:28
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Pope Guilty posted:If Tarquin dies here he Sabine can't kill him, though. Sabine can have fun with him after he's dead. 
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Dec 8, 2013 01:45
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DaveWoo posted:Sabine can have fun with him after he's dead. Oh yeah, the Order will kill Tarquin (or he'll die in some embarrassing way) and the last we'll see of him will be him waking up to Sabine with an evil smile on her face.
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Dec 8, 2013 01:47
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Pope Guilty posted:Oh yeah, the Order will kill Tarquin (or he'll die in some embarrassing way) and the last we'll see of him will be him waking up to Sabine and Nale with an evil smile on their face. Fixed that for you.
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Dec 8, 2013 01:54
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At this point, I just hope Elan's final words to his father are something along the lines of, "You're not the bard here; you don't get to decide how the story ends."
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Dec 8, 2013 03:58
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TINA TURNER posted:This would be actually preferrable at this point. I hate Tarquin and I hate this arc and I hate literally nothing came out of it You are insane. Without thinking too hard about it: Nale was killed, Haley found her dad, Durkon found a friend, then get vamped by the friend, then killed the friends murderer and is now A VAMPIRE, V found out exactly how much of a monster she was, MITD made its first actual conscious play, the Fiends made their first above the table play, Scoundrel made a triumphant return, Belkar rode a goddam T Rex, and most important the Order kicked the rear end of an entire army.
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Dec 8, 2013 04:15
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ImpAtom posted:Can Sabine do something to prevent him from being resurrected once he dies? Disintegrate: Gust of Wind.
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sebmojo posted:Disintegrate: Gust of Wind. I think they meant more in the sense of, say, permanently binding Tarquin's soul to whatever hell he ends up in (or, alternatively, permanently barring his soul from returning to the physical plane).
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Dec 8, 2013 04:27
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I guess she could call in a favor and get a Dimensional Anchor spell cast with Permanency.
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sebmojo posted:Disintegrate: Gust of Wind. Even though I know it's wrong, I'll always consider "Disintegrate. Gust of Wind." to be V's 'four right words at the right time to the right person for all the wrong reasons' that the Oracle predicted. It's so much better than V's stammering on the island.
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ConfusedUs posted:Even though I know it's wrong, I'll always consider "Disintegrate. Gust of Wind." to be V's 'four right words at the right time to the right person for all the wrong reasons' that the Oracle predicted. It's so much better than V's stammering on the island. ... Holy poo poo.  I mean, this is why 'death of the author' is I feel earns being a legitimate thing. I went and checked, the Oots wiki claims Rich said its "I... I must succeed" but there isn't a link and it isn't in 'The Giant's Comments Index II' thread so, its possible either way.
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Dec 8, 2013 06:43
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There's a full quote of it around somewhere but I don't think he really said he considered it a beautifully written moment or whatever. I personally think it works, since the other statement still reeks of hubris where instead the stutter points out how low he is at that juncture.
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Dec 8, 2013 06:46
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Question, do the various ways to bring back the dead require they WANT to come back? If so he could just be mind raped so he wants to stay out of the world of the living or stay dead or something.
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Dec 8, 2013 07:09
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Stuff like Ressurrection does require consent on the part of the person being brought back, yes (and not having died of old age/natural causes(?), but that'd be irrelevant unless Tarquin... had... a... heart attack...)
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Dec 8, 2013 07:23
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My understanding of D&D cosmology is mostly from Planescape stuff, but I think I recall that it could be difficult to resurrect LE people, because devils trade souls around as property, and they often want something in return before they release it and permit the resurrection. So if this works by those rules, all Sabine would have to do is gain ownership of his soul, and she could block his resurrection forever.
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Regalingualius posted:Stuff like Ressurrection does require consent on the part of the person being brought back, yes (and not having died of old age/natural causes(?), but that'd be irrelevant unless Tarquin... had... a... heart attack...) I don't get it, can you elaborate? I believe in Forgotten Realms, which is like Oots if you bumped up the average NPC level by 10, you can bring back CE/LA/NE all you want its just a choice so long as their soul isn't magically bound as mentioned. As what happened to that Drow Wizard dude who was a triple agent spy in the WotSQ books. Generally I think its implied if your evil you'll pretty much jump at the chance to come back that's how bad things are, no matter the alignment.
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To explain: I honestly can't remember if there's a 'no natural deaths' clause on non-necromancy Ressurrection spells in D&D. If there is, though... Well, assuming Tarquin's hypothetical heart attack was purely out of overexertion, then by most conventional definitions, that's a natural death. And would be so fittingly anti-climactic to his dreams of being struck down as the final villain of the heroes' journey, and not to something so mundane.
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Regalingualius posted:To explain: I honestly can't remember if there's a 'no natural deaths' clause on non-necromancy Ressurrection spells in D&D. If there is, though... Well, assuming Tarquin's hypothetical heart attack was purely out of overexertion, then by most conventional definitions, that's a natural death. And would be so fittingly anti-climactic to his dreams of being struck down as the final villain of the heroes' journey, and not to something so mundane. I was more confused as I thought you were referencing something. While I think there's a good meta argument for Tarquin losing in such a way that is thematically appropriate, dying in such a way that he is forgotten, it won't be by a random heart attack. Rich has been fairly consistent in that Villains must die by their own choices and volition, a heart attack would seem contrived. Dying far away from his power base, his kingdom weakened just enough to be invaded by that lizard kingdom with his army in the middle of nowhere against Julian Scoundrel maybe of all people would more or less be that.
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Dec 8, 2013 08:00
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A high level fighter would never die of a heart attack he is basically a marble sculpture
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jsoh posted:A high level fighter would never die of a heart attack he is basically a marble sculpture Unknown heart defect! Even at this point its obvious that anything (bad to Tarquin) can happen here, even if the main plot of the story is already apparent.
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jsoh posted:A high level fighter would never die of a heart attack he is basically a marble sculpture I've suddenly got the mental imagery of one of the players of the OotS asking the GM out of the blue when the last time Tarquin got into as much fighting as he's been in in this arc, then (taking his age into account) asking if it'd be possible to roll for a cardiac arrest check, which the GM agrees to for whatever reason. Then flubs out a 1. 
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Raenir Salazar posted:... Holy poo poo. Rich says it in the book.
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There's no real mechanics for dying of old age in D&D, it's not that kind of game. (Contrarily to, say, Ars Magica, where four years can fly in a single game session if the characters do nothing but lab work.) You have a maximum life expectancy which is rolled out in different ways depending on race, but that's all. I don't remember ever actually rolling it, though. I suppose if the campaign really lasts that long, you'll die on your last birthday. For reference, because it often comes up: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/raiseDead.htm http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/resurrection.htm http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/trueResurrection.htm http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/reincarnate.htm
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Dec 8, 2013 12:13
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sebmojo posted:You are insane.
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Cat Mattress posted:There's no real mechanics for dying of old age in D&D, it's not that kind of game. (Contrarily to, say, Ars Magica, where four years can fly in a single game session if the characters do nothing but lab work.) You have a maximum life expectancy which is rolled out in different ways depending on race, but that's all. I don't remember ever actually rolling it, though. I suppose if the campaign really lasts that long, you'll die on your last birthday. There are spells and monster effects that can age you(like ghost touches), although those may be in other editions. So It's more like you opened the ancient tomb and a curse aged you fifty years and you died of old age. Although even that can be overcome just fine with reincarnation.
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There is the Reincarnation trick to reset your age, among other methods, but death by old age being inevitable and irreversible is kind of a solid rule in DnD. There's even a monster whose sole purpose is to catch any cheaters.
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mmkay posted:Rich says it in the book. Well then there's always DOTA to fall back on. I actually went and looked up means for a character of mine to achieve immortality as a campaign goal. There's actually quite a few ways, up to and including a PC race.
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I wonder if Tarquin would be acting differently if he knew that Elan was guaranteed a 'happy ending' by word of Prophecy, not merely a Pyrrhic, bittersweet victory like he's aiming to achieve.
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Maybe all of Elan's friends die though and he gets addicted to elven massage parlors. He'll still get his happy ending and the prophecy technically fulfilled.
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greatn posted:Maybe all of Elan's friends die though and he gets addicted to elven massage parlors. He'll still get his happy ending and the prophecy technically fulfilled. "Yes...for you. Just not the elf masseur who's really just trying to work her way through wizard school as a single mom and needs the gold."
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Sir, please don't panic but I think someone mixed up the oil of slipperiness and the solvent glue again.
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